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  1. 2 minutes ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

    False and not where i was going 

     

    Point is you use sta losing in 2013 and 2017 to say sta can lose to 7a teams when in reality they only lose to 7a teams in down years, is this info so far correct or at least reasonable? 

     

    So is it that sta losing in down years showing that teams can compete with them MOST years? 

    There are local teams (even 4A) defeating STA in their strong years as well.  Do you recall in 2016 BTW the 4A team that did not make it to 4A states defeated STA?  How about 1st round type 8A teams ?

    Did you forget all that?

  2. 1 minute ago, OldSchoolLion said:

    Why do you ask?

     

    Posted 53 minutes ago:

    53 minutes ago, OldSchoolLion said:

    There are approximately 500 schools amongst the 8 classes.  15% of 500 is 75.  I would not bet my house on it, but also would not be surprised if Oxbridge could have beaten the other 425 pretty badly.  There are a lot of very mediocre teams amongst those 425.

     

    Considering there was reference to Oxbridge competing with teams statewide and you actually replied to it in a tad of detail , I simply would like you to break down just a tad further to 7A North.  No problem if you don't want to,  I just did not feel it was too far off topic.  All good either way.

  3. 19 minutes ago, OldSchoolLion said:

     

    Because if I wanted to talk about a specific team, I would have created a post to do so.  The title of the post wasn't "Why is STA Dominating?"  The purpose of the post was to share information related to broad performance trends and to possibly generate discussion about these trends.   Heaven forbid,  I used STA as an example in one of my comments and the race was on. 

    Please respect the work I did putting together the facts for this post and create your own post if you desire an exhaustive discussion about St Thomas Aquinas.   

      

    But you always  prefer to use STA for many examples  Transfers is one when there are plenty of other schools like Chaminade-Madonna, AHP, DFB and more getting more and perhaps more talented transfers then STA.

    Have you ever researched Armwood's dominance in 6A North?  

    Appreciate the work you do but sometimes your posts reflect what appear to be ulterior motives or agendas.  

    I'm just sometimes a blunt person I guess.

  4. 17 minutes ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

    Because if i recall correctly the biggest weapon Venice had was a qb to wr combo

     

    Bartram weak secondary is main reason i told anyone who would ask me that Venice would have no problem beating bartram trail 

     

    Matchups! Matchups!  Matchups! 

     

    A team with a better secondary (or defense in general) would have made the game with Venice closer than bartram trail did

    Wrong and way off.  You obviously did not watch the game or were making reclassification proposals on that day or something.

    Venice mixed  it up but for the most part they beat down BT at the LOS.  The Venice QB alone rushed well over 200 yards on  at least 40 carries for that game.

    Bartram Trail's secondary is not the reason they lost that game.  BT did show signs of life late but Venice was the better team that important day.

  5. 1 minute ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

    So you think Venice could put their team last year against sta every year and compete? 

    No.  Venice got beat down the previous year against a better STA team, they were at Home, hungry and got by a significantly down STA team who had a LB playing QB for that game.   You know that is the case.  Don't start making excuses now for 7A North towards competing with another program.  At least stay on point.  

     

  6. Just now, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

    What am i making a excuse about? 

     

    Do I need to pull that damn plant vs bartram trail game and let you see how bartram was lucky to escape the 3rd best team in 7a region 2 at home to make the title game?

    And if there are 3-4 teams in 7A North that are possibly about the same as Bartram Trail what makes you think those teams also would not have lost by double digits to Venice?

  7. 1 minute ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

    Because in 2017 a team with no secondary managed to get there and got exposed 

     

    2015 Columbia and 2015 Viera were both better teams then bartram trail 

     

    This past year bartram trail team is basically the same one Columbia destroyed in 2015 except that Joey Gatewood was better developed but the rest of team is probably at the same level they were that year

     

     

    Keep in mind that bartram trail almost blew their game against plant this year when they fumbled the bloody victory formation 

     

    Had the ref (ironic it happened in bartram trail favor in a home game) not blown the whistle early then plant looked ready to take lead on a scoop and score

     

     

    As for 2013 idk i didn't pay attention to 7a back then because Columbia was in 6a

    So basically all this sums up to:

    ex·cuse
    verb
    3rd person present: excuses
    ikˈskyo͞oz/
    1. 1.
      attempt to lessen the blame attaching to (a fault or offense); seek to defend or justify.
  8. 2 minutes ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

    7a is weak overall on both north and south sides

     

    Yes moving sta does make 7a a weaker class but at least we wouldn't have to endure more blowouts by a team who is clearly far ahead everyone else

     

    It proves nothing and only destroys the classifications credibility 

    Venice.  Rural Venice defeated STA last year and for the most part 7A North was blown out again.  Why is that?

  9. 11 minutes ago, OldSchoolLion said:

    No need to talk about individual teams.  If any team is clearly outclassing the rest of the competition in their class year after year, it would be nice to see them put themselves in a position where they could be in a more competitive environment.  It's as simple as that.   

    Why not?

    So BTW's run and dominance they had a few years back surely is not as dominant as STA in recent years.  Okay...We'll just make pretend that it never happened and that 4A team did beat STA in 2016 when STA beat the piss out of 7A North Plant while BTW did not ever reach 4A  states that year.  But the problem is surely still with STA not moving up - Not 7A North.  Surely no agenda here.

     

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  10. 13 minutes ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

    Your right

     

    Most in 7a can't compete with sta

     

    So it seems the most logical idea is to let sta be challenged because 7a isn't providing that for them

     

    Sta has a lot of pride so i think if offered they would agree to be moved to a tougher classification (or a open class if one is provided)

    How come you never had a problem with over teams dominating in other classifications?

    How come there are plenty of other teams in VARIOUS classification that can compete with that 800 lb gorilla in STA?

    Wait a minute....Last  I checked STA did not make it to States in 2017 and 2013. They actually fell to 7A teams.

  11. 12 minutes ago, OldSchoolLion said:

    You can say there is a "problem" with a certain class.  Or you can say the problem is that we have an 800-pound gorilla(s) loose in certain classes.  I have shown in other posts how this phenomenon of an IMG, Bolles, STA, etc., is somewhat rare relative to other states.    

    In professional armwrestling, the elite will often fight guys much bigger than themselves.  Check out videos of John Brzenk.  It is not John's fault he was so gifted.  The problem was not John's weight class.  The problem was John in his weight class.  He knew what he had to do to "balance" his talent and make things interesting for himself and the fans.  So, he competed against much bigger guys, and occasionally lost as a result.  Even then, he rarely lost.

       

    How do you feel about BTW still being in 4A with all of dominance they have produced over the last few years?  

  12. Just now, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

    Your right

     

    Most in 7a can't compete with sta

     

    So it seems the most logical idea is to let sta be challenged because 7a isn't providing that for them

     

    Sta has a lot of pride so i think if offered they would agree to be moved to a tougher classification (or a open class if one is provided)

    That way the rest of 7A won't have to work as hard, right :).  Then it fall even farther from 6A and 8A....

  13. 7 minutes ago, OldSchoolLion said:

    You can say there is a "problem" with a certain class.  Or you can say the problem is that we have an 800-pound gorilla(s) loose in certain classes.  I have shown in other posts how this phenomenon of an IMG, Bolles, STA, etc., is somewhat rare relative to other states.    

    In professional armwrestling, the elite will often fight guys much bigger than themselves.  Check out videos of John Brzenk.  It is not John's fault he was so gifted.  The problem was not John's weight class.  The problem was John in his weight class.  He knew what he had to do to "balance" his talent and make things interesting for himself and the fans.  So, he competed against much bigger guys, and occasionally lost as a result.  Even then, he rarely lost.

       

    An 800 pound gorilla that 1st round 8A teams beat nearly half the time in recent years. 

    So less apply that arm wrestling logic to other sports like boxing and MMA.  Let's have Conor McGregor face Jon Jones. Brilliant.

  14. 25 minutes ago, OldSchoolLion said:

     

    I don't know who is/is not "camping out."  I can say with certainty that individual teams of past decades did not have the same level of success they did today, ie playing in 5 title games in one decade.  And I struggle to believe that such success is only a function of certain teams better preparing their home-grown talent. 

    A team has no control over which class they are placed in or how others around them perform.  A team does have an option to petition to be moved.  And, for whatever reason, some very good teams have not petitioned to be moved.  A team can control how many transfers they allow to start in any one season. 

    This proposed rule appears to attempt to level the playing field by requiring teams that are choosing to play an excessive number of transfer athletes and experiencing great success.   Recognizing the shortcomings of our current system, or any other one for that matter, it would be nice to think that any team that knows it could make things more competitive would take the high road and move up.  Does it always happen?  

    The answer probably lies within the fact that Pennsylvania is proposing this rule.  

     

    Pennsylvania is welcome to do things there way. BOL.  This is Florida football where we produce way more talent and better teams.  I simply don't like seeing elite teams cannibalizing one another in the first round while frauds from other regions are going to play for state championships.  The BEST teams should be playing for a championship.

     

     

     

  15. Just now, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

    Well explain to me how the hell half the teams in 7a are going to compile enough talent to compete on a regular basis 

     

    How many 7a teams have the resources or talent pool that they have in broward county? 

     

    Is it there fault?  No 

     

    But don't pretend that it's that simple to just "pull their weight" and be able to knock off that giant with ease

     

    Armwood is in a awkward spot,  they are probably a top 10 team talent wise most years but they never get a opportunity to face good competition until states (outside of Plant and Tampa Bay Tech) so they aren't ready for the best public in Miami Dade each year 

     

    They would actually benefit if they could get into a open class and have more control over their schedule 

     

    As for sta i believe you have actually said they wouldn't care if they were placed with tougher competition and they would actually welcome it

    I don't know the answer.  Last I checked, there were other large metro areas other then Broward in the State.  Teams statewide have done it and Venice and Dwyer have figured it out in recent years.  What I do know is this is Florida High School football and you had better be elite for your classification if you have the right to play for a State Championship.

    Are there any teams in 7A North that are as good as 8A Region 4 first round teams like Miramar and DFB?  If there is not then the problem is clearly not STA and the system.  It is clearly a problem with the classification.

    It is almost as if you are just saying "Mercy".

  16. On 6/8/2018 at 10:39 AM, OldSchoolLion said:

    As mentioned in another active post, "Team State Title Appearances by Decade.." there is a "cost" associated with our current approach.  The classes are aligned such that competition is more spread out, allowing some of the "rich" to have clearer playoff paths to title games.  As a result, we have playoff game victory margins that are substantially higher than in the past.  You never used to see teams cruising through the playoff with running clocks at the pace of today.  The issue has been compounded by the transfer merry-go-round. 

    Our current approach does allow more teams to win titles and compete in the playoffs, which some might see as a positive.  I agree that folks going to Orlando expect to see elite teams.  There is so much focus today on the "end," that I wonder if the journey is losing some of its luster, ie the anticipation of who is going to make the title game, close playoff games, etc.  And possibly that is one reason why playoff game attendance is sometimes dismal. 

     

     

     

     

    And is some cases like 5A South there are elite teams missing out on a trip to Orlando while an incapable team from another Region "earns" the right to play for a State Championship.  Just give me 2 of the top 5 teams in each classification at the  State Championship and I'll stop whining...Regardless of the score at least I know I got the best of what the classification has to offer.  5A was a very strong classification last year ...What I what witnessed at the 5A State Championship last year was a level of dominance I would have struggled to find with AHP versus a local SFL "good" team.

     

  17. 1 hour ago, OldSchoolLion said:

     

     

    Here is an example of what such a rule might do.  St Thomas Aquinas has been competing in 7A this decade.  It appears that this rule, as proposed, would potentially(assuming they exceed the transfer count) require them to move up to 8A, where they would have to compete against Deerfield Beach, Miramar, Columbus, Southridge, etc...a much tougher playoff path.  Same thing for American Heritage Plantation possibly being required to move up to 6A, where they would have to face Carol City, Northwestern, and Central.

    One thing appears for sure.  Under this rule, a team that loads up on transfers and wins a lot would not be able to camp out in a class and pile up the trophies.  Don't know enough about the rule to properly assess it.  It is interesting.

     

     

    So let me get this right.  It is STA's fault and they are "camping" in 7A?  

    What are you essentially saying about the other top 7A teams compared to 8A and 6A?

    Agree with the the concept that STA in 8A (or 6A) is a much tougher playoff path. Agree.

    Now considering the facts that there are 89 8A Schools, 87 7A Schools, and 91 6A Schools and it would be a much tougher road for STA in 8A and 6A - How is the burden of the issue on STA (camping) or the current format?

    Is it possible the other 86 7A schools are not pulling their weight consistently on a yearly basis?

    If STA will be more challenged in 6A or 8A with a extremely similar classification criteria , the problem appears to be within the classification -  not STA or the format.  Is it STA's fault that for some odd reason 7A has been what it is.

    How about the other 86 7A teams in 7A pull their weight and get on par with the top 6A and 8A programs?

     

    I know you like to use STA as an example but what about Armwood in 6A North?  Is it their fault of the currently level of those regions?

     

  18. 11 hours ago, OldSchoolLion said:

    If Florida was using the Texas population cutoffs, the 5A Region 4 playoff teams would likely be.  Now THAT would be interesting.

    American Heritage/Plantation

    Cardinal Gibbons

    Columbus

    Immokalee

    Miami Central

    Miami Northwestern

    Norland

    St Thomas Aquinas

     

     

    So with that scenario at the end of the day a team like Baker County nearly every year would have a much better opportunity to win and play for a State Championship then all of those teams. That is a problem that everyone seems to turn the blind eye to. The focus is always around the teams that are consistently loaded and dominant.... Isn’t that the idea on the first place? Win and strive to continue to win?

    How about more focus on the Regions that are not pulling their weight to compete. 

    I think when many go to Orlando, they hope and expect to see as many FL elite level teams as possible regardless of the region they are from.

    Elite teams deserve opportunities to win state championships more so then “good” teams.

    Can you imagine what the 3A State Championship would have looked like if the unorthodox move of putting Oxbridge Academy in 3A North had not happened? 

    It happened and we got a very competitive 3A State Championship.  The two best 3A teams met in Orlando rather then one of those teams going home in the second round which would be a disgrace to the ever changing format which I admittedly do not have a solution for.

    Just give me a format with a likelihood with every classification that I am always guaranteed to get two of the top five teams in the state, not a top team versus the tenth best team.  Fortunately, living in SFL I still had the opportunity to watch the true 5A State Championship last year.

     

     

     

     

  19. 15 minutes ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

    That won't make nolebull happy lol

     

    South Broward supposed to be playing oos this year 

    Well, not sure what will happen with that OOS game but at the present state of SB and looking at their regular season schedule I would probably see SB winning one game.  Not going to be a fun ride driving back from Lakeland on 10/18.

    I notice South Broward was invited back to Lakeland but Carol City was not.  

    Actually COOPER City was also invited back to Lakeland.

     

  20. 8 hours ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

    Quite a few from my count have left

     

    I don't think they got any in so they probably gonna be weaker than last year 

    The SB roster was arguably never as strong as last year in the first place. But surely never a good sign when your Senior QB and best player is bailing on you for McArthur...

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