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1 hour ago, PinellasFB said:
I thought those were monthly supplements to their teachers pay, not annual? I mean some would make only $300 extra a month for all the time and energy it takes to coach football as a year round program.
The supplements are annual, usually paid out over the course of the season. So coaches don’t typically get paid anything from like December - September (at least near where I live). Assistant coaches get roughly $2000 for all their work, which is even more pathetic
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The biggest issue with pay for coaches is that there will always be people who want to be a head coach in Florida. As long as 60+ applicants apply to these vacancies whenever they open, there’s no incentive for the districts to pay more because of the same “next man up” philosophy coaches preach. Everybody who is a head coach wants more money. But, there’s a much larger number of people itching to sit in the big chair regardless of the supplement. When you look at neighboring states though, it’s laughable that Florida values athletics so little considering the wealth of talent.
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I think an idea like this needs to happen. I agree that basing districts solely on proximity to schools and having similar populations of students on campus is antiquated and, honestly, stupid at this point. There are Rural/1S/1M teams that have bigger and more competent rosters than some 4M teams. You look around and see these ridiculous district pairings because of this model and it's laughable.
I appreciate the work/time/thought you put into this. I hope somebody up in the FHSAA offices can look at something similar. May help them solve the Independent teams too as a lot of teams have or are dropping out of Districts this year because they want to be able to compete. While making sure the best teams play the best is important, we also have to make sure the "have-nots" have a reason to play and build their programs in order to move into the more competitive classes.
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1 minute ago, nolebull813 said:
They would have to cut classes from the “state series” in that case. So it would all have to be done simultaneously, and locked in for 2 or 4 years.
But it could be named something else kinda like the SSAC. That conference was created for the exact same reason but for privates. It was for small privates who have zero chance of winning in the FHSAA playoffs. So they compete for the SSAC title.
So what you are suggesting could follow the same model as the SSAC for publics as well
It would be similar for sure. But your plan is cutting a bunch of teams as it is. I think doing regional/state declarations annually (teams must make a decision by a hard deadline like March 1st) would give the FHSAA plenty of time to adjust districts. If they stay under the FHSAA umbrella, Regional Champions/Regional teams would also already be reporting all the same data/forms to the FHSAA so it wouldn't be a difficult change (theoretically). Again, giving kids a way to compete and participate is the whole point of high school sports - not to "make the best possible state championship matchups." It seems like the mindset of some people is to only care about the powerhouses and the little guy can just sort of go away. And we wonder why kids/coaches/etc are leaving/quitting the sport.
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Just now, nolebull813 said:
Do you think going 0-10 and 1-9 with mostly blowout losses is better than competing in 8 man and actually winning something? Or at least the better opportunity to win something? Most of these teams are just punching bags for the other local teams in the area.
And why is 8 man such a bad thing? It’s just 3 less kids on the field. You can have a QB, a RB, 4 lineman and 2 receivers. What’s the big deal?
I think the better option would be for teams to have more freedom to create regional leagues on their own. They could still be part of the FHSAA "umbrella," but kids could still play 11-man football.
I would propose a plan where teams opt-in annually and you have a "State Series" and a "Regional Series." You can't win a State Championship if you're in a FHSAA Region, but you can still give kids a tangible prize to work for every year.
So, those teams you proposed could make up three "regions" and still play 11 man football. No reason to go to 8-man
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I know there are a lot of coaches/former coaches on this board that may think otherwise about this "fantastic" idea. Some of you guys treat HS football like the end-all/be-all of the high school experience. I don't tend to be combative simply because there's no point in getting into a pissing contest through a message board, but this is actually a terrible take.
The system is broken. It will always be broken. When they fix it, it will break again. But some of you treat HS football in Florida like it needs to be run like the NFL. There will always be schools with more resources, history, success than others; lumping teams and programs together and saying "you're not good enough" is insane to me.
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5 hours ago, nolebull813 said:
HAD TO??? Whoa that sounds pretty dramatic. What will happen if they don’t? That sounds like extortion and exploitation. Who the hell is running things there?
Maybe I misread..or misheard…but I thought they were told they couldn’t go independent. I think it was a decision made above the school level. But again, that could just be speculation. Regardless, seeing a team get beat 80-0 is tough. I think it was a few years ago that Gulf High seemed like a team that opponents tried to outdo each other against. It was like their schedule was like 48-0, 49-0, 55-0, 62-0…I hope these guys don’t have to deal with a season like that over at Palm Beach Lakes
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On 8/28/2022 at 9:49 AM, nolebull813 said:
If Lakes wasn’t allowed to play JV only then I’m sure they could have went independent and tried to schedule the worst teams they can find. Land O Lakes dropped out of districts a few years ago before the season started and played independent. So the state should allow it. Not sure if the county can stop It or not.
Just like there is a lot of good football teams in the tri-county there is a lot of horrible football as well. They could have found some horrible teams to play like Berean, SLAM, Palm Glades Prep, Mourning, Pompano Beach, Miami Country Day, Marathon, Somerset Academy, Taravella, Hialeah, Varela, Northeast just to name a few
I think in some of the Metro counties, the decision is out of the hands of schools. I thought I read on a board somewhere that the two new schools near Orlando last year HAD to play district schedules. Could be the same in other big areas as well. Or not...I'm not super familiar with things outside of my Osceola County-area bubble
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I have seen some Polk County rumors that he is taking a job at the college level, but I cannot be sure about how accurate rumors are.
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8 hours ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:
The only problem is how will the FHSAA enforce that
Say your Madison County (I would also use Columbia but I wanted to use a different team as I know this applies to them even more in this case) and the teams in the region fill up their 6 with others and won't play Madison
Does Madison get disqualified from postseason play because they are unable to get those 6 games if the teams refuse to play them?
That's the biggest issue with the "play an unspecified group of teams in the region idea" is that unless the FHSAA has a way to force teams in the region to play each other and ensure everyone reaches 6 games it will be a headache and even then you basically have made defacto districts If the FHSAA has to assign the teams which defeats the entire purpose of abolishing districts to begin with
Yeah…I see your point. I’m just sure there are ways to do it. Maybe the teams could submit their schedules to the state or a regional point of contact to get approval or something. I’m not positive but I think the bigger counties make teams drop games if they don’t have enough county teams on their schedule (I think Orange County does that, and Hillsborough County schedules go through the county AD). I’m sure that could happen, at the very least, at a regional level. Just spitballing ideas haha
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4 hours ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:
Late 90s had St Augustine, Lincoln and Columbia (among others) in same district and it was fine then
What changed?
I’m not familiar with that area as far as high schools go, but I’d assume the big changes would be the sheer number of schools in Florida. How many high schools were there in the 90’s compared to the number playing in the FHSAA today (not to mention independent schools). Most schools are much closer.
Obviously 2 and three team districts aren’t ideal, but limiting classes doesn’t help. The best solution right now is to abolish districts altogether and make everything based on a regional record. Top 8 teams make the playoffs. No “1-9 district champs”, and teams can schedule who they want. Make a requirement of like 6 region games and then let teams play new opponents each year.
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44 minutes ago, KeemD321 said:
The STA game got moved back to be part of the ESPN games. Which makes sense since there are few other games including Florida schools that could be included on the slate as well.
Alot of the tweets look as if they have been deleted and a couple of accounts reported.
But looked like Eau Gallie is holding it over Cocoa's head saying they were already set for week 3 and that they not moving it to week 2 because they already have a team scheduled for week 2. So everyone involved with EG is claiming Cocoa is ducking and running. Lmao
One of the Top-1 most ridiculous takes ever, in my opinion. Cocoa ducking EG?
. I would imagine the game eventually gets moved to accommodate Cocoa playing on ESPNU.
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38 minutes ago, Floridaatlantic1 said:
Its not districts that are the problem. It that we have too many divisions. Scrap dumb suburb/ matro plan and go back to 6 divisions like the nold days and bring back wild cards for crazy stacked districts and problem solved. But then crappy teams wont get to claim fake state titles then i guess.
I agree that there may be issues with the system, but, at the end of the day, we're talking about high school kids, man. You can hate the FHSAA...hate the ADs...but the kids have are just going out and playing games against the teams on their schedule. The good Suburban teams will still be good, the bad Metro teams will still be bad. Nothing changes on that end.
The biggest complaints I hear seem to be from the Metro teams anyway because they have to go through each other now instead of being split up into 8 classes. Will teams like Lakeland, Osceola, Mainland, etc that have had a tough time getting over the hump benefit? Yes. But ultimately, I don't think I'd call any State Championship a "Fake" State Championship.
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15 hours ago, Beek said:
I am trying to gather some information. In a public high school. What is the role of the athletic director? Is the athletic director supposed to make all the decisions? Is the athletic director supposed to advocate for your program? Is the athletic director supposed to look for any way he/she can to disqualify a participant? Make up new rules to hinder the athletic programs so they align with the Athletic directors plan or morals? I understand that some athletic directors are teachers. some are coaches and some could be administrators. But what is their purpose and role? should they do everything they can to help the schools programs? advocate for their programs above others? Anything else that people can add please let me know!
A good Athletic Director will handle all of the things that coaches don't typically deal with (as was said: busses/ticket takers/refs, eligibility questions, support the programs on campus, etc.). The Coach also has a responsibility to communicate effectively with their AD and, likewise, the AD needs to communicate effectively with his or her coaches. Should questions arise, it is on both of you guys to come up with the best solution for your players. That solution may look different school-to-school or county-to-county. At the end of the day, your job is to lead your team within the parameters set by AD/Admin. If there's a specific issue, you should have a close enough relationship to speak about it without stepping on each other's toes.
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I feel like this process has been an absolute dumpster fire from the start, but yesterday has made this thing feel like an absolute joke. The guy who is retiring (yet also has a significant amount of sway) comes out against this spilt a week before they’re supposed to meet. Meanwhile, Coaches have no idea what will happen, what districts will look like, etc. The FHSAA should be embarrassed by this whole thing because, when it doesn’t pass, there will be another month or so that goes by before districts get released. Hopefully they’ll be announced before Spring Football
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13 hours ago, PinellasFB said:
FYI I talked to a head coach who said the metro-rural redistricting failed to pass vote so its a no-go for the next season. He did tell me some of the new districts that wouldve formed and holy cow this thing wouldve been a shit show. Glad it failed.
I was under the impression that the vote will happen at the board meeting at the end of the month. It has passed both committees it has been through so far and hasn’t heard of another vote as of yet.
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14 minutes ago, nolebull813 said:
Osceola High is a county all star team. Every team in Osceola County is HORRIBLE at football except the Kowboys. Lol. They get all the talent in the OC.
I will be curious to see what happens with Toho down in Osceola County. They got a new Head Coach (Anthony Paradiso from Lake Nona) who has a lot of history getting kids into big time programs. They could be a school that starts to pull some talent around Osceola County too.
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6 minutes ago, nolebull813 said:
So Leto from 2010-2014 lost 46 games in a row on the field but have a forfeit win against King in 2010 and Armwood in 2011.
They ended the 2014 season on a 3 game losing streak on top of 50 straight losses from 2015-2019. They have a forfeit win against Sickles in 2016.
So just on field results from 2010-2021 they went 3-115!!!!!!!
Yikes! I genuinely don’t know what else to say about that…
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Didn't Leto lose like 40-something in a row too? I know they didn't win a game on the field for like 6 years but had a forfeit sprinkled in there.
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43 minutes ago, PinellasFB said:
It seems like the competitive imbalance is mostly private vs public schools. If anything, most metro schools would get hurt by this new classification since the talent pool is so divided with nearby schools and all the private schools tend to be in metro areas. The private schools have the most money and best facilities. I cant blame a kid for going there but come on, it ain't fair for them to go against a school that has to have a 170 lb freshman defensive tackle, for example. They never have to rebuild, only reload. Put those teams in their own league and let them beat up on each other.
I much prefer the current classifications vs this proposal which will only make it worse for the have nots. Most of the people in this forum follow a traditional power and dont really have the perspective of what it's like to be a have not. You at least have to have hope that once every 3 to 4 years, with a good senior class you've developed for the past couple of years, you can have a winning season and maybe make the playoffs. Due to demographics of the neighborhood, thats the pinnacle of success in-between years of beatings as your rebuild. If you make things worse for them where there is no hope, a lot of schools wont even field a team due to low participation.
I honestly think that, once this is said and done, you may have a lot more teams opting to go Independent or try to form another league, sort of like the talk that came out of South Florida schools during the COVID craziness of 2020. I wouldn't blame a lot of places. I've seen a few different, yet similar, projections. In my area, why would a school like East River want to be in a District with Wekiva, Edgewater AND Jones? Or why would the two new programs in Orlando want to be with Bishop Moore, Lake Highland Prep and Windermere Prep? When will two new programs be able to compete with three private schools? There's obviously more examples in the Suburban Plan too. One projection I saw had George Jenkins in Polk County with Lakeland, Lake Gibson, Kathleen and Bartow.
I would not be surprised to see a large group of teams just opt to do their own thing.
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4 minutes ago, Nulli Secundus said:
They are trying to make everyone happy and on this earth, it's IMPOSSIBLE to make everyone happy. The FHSAA needs to make a stance and not be afraid to have a uniform system across the board. I too believe that teams should be promoted/demoted based on performance and classification SHOULD NOT be population based. That may have worked back in the day but with the current state of affairs, that practice is antiquated. Champions should move up, struggling programs should move down and realignment should be done on a yearly basis.
Very simple concept.
I like that idea. There has to be a way to make it more level across the board. I would break the state into the Rural/1A class, then 5 others:
5A - Teams who have made the playoffs for the last 4 years in a row, split into districts (or regions)
4A - 3 out of 4 years...
3A - 2 out of 4 years...
2A - 1 berth in the last four years...
1A - everyone else, they play an open, regional-style schedule, top 6 make it like current 1-4A.
Some classes would be bigger/smaller than others, but teams could move up and down easily, especially if all classes have a regional schedule/reclassification is done annually. And, while you wouldn't have districts, there would be a "6 region game requirement" but they can be any week.
Or something like that. Anything is better than grouping schools by population and proximity because some schools will NEVER have a chance to compete.
Also, the kids (who this is supposed to be about) don't care who they play. They just want to play ball. Why is it so complicated lol
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18 hours ago, Proseteye said:
Approximately when are these usually available?
Because of the talk about breaking classifications into Metro/Suburban, a lot of schedules won’t be finished until teams get their districts from the FHSAA. Most should have their non-district weeks just about filled
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Any time coaches can get closer to other States, it's a positive move.
Supplements going up is good but it won't stop coaches from leaving Florida. A lot of other states pay coaches for 11 or even 12 month contracts IN ADDITION TO the larger supplements. Coaches will continue to leave, especially those that have had success, because Florida will never be able to keep up financially.
That being said, I can't say enough good things about the Brevard County AD who has been working hard to make people pay attention to the coaching pay and actually getting something done in his county about it.