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  1. First question - I don't think there is a specific personnel grouping needed to take a knee. Granted, in high school we tell the refs and they make sure there is nothing crazy happening. At the end of the day, you're down in college as soon as your knee touches the ground. I think he was just trying to cover himself from being accused of running it up. Which leads to the second question - can you run it up? I think that depends. If you're kicking onside and throwing go balls against a team that is down 45-17, that's kind of a jerk move (again, I'm speaking as a HS football coach) but it's also not even a running clock yet in FL. But, if the backups come in and your running like a bubble screen or hitches or calling an inside run and you score another TD, that's not running it up. Those kids work hard every day too. They deserve to have fun. It's no fun for the 2nd or 3rd RB to run into an 8 man rush or the WRs to go out and block on the perimeter. Let the kids play. If it ends up 52-17 or 59-17, it is what it is. 

  2. I think kickoffs will get phased out too. Player safety is always going to be the most important thing in high school sports - as it ought to be.

    As for kicking extra points, I can't imagine a scenario where they move the ball back or anything right now. Some schools have teams who can't even line-up a field goal unit, let alone get a kid who can kick the ball accurately from 25-30 yards out. I just think it would help the better programs and hurt the worse ones disproportionately. But, I could also just be an old, crazy guy.

  3. 1 hour ago, s1nglewing said:

    That isn't the point.

    The point is that a winless team, regardless how they achieved playoffs, should not host. In the same way the best team in NW Florida should not have to make the playoffs through a play in game.

    I agree with the first part for sure. An imperfect system for an imperfect season. I think the brackets shake out in a way that the teams that are "supposed" to advance will regardless of where they play. Obviously, it stinks that a winless team is getting a bye but it's like that all over. Again, as a Central Florida guy I laugh because St. Cloud has a bye in 7A then they travel to what will likely be Edgewater. Osceola has a bye and it looks like they won't have much in the way of difficulty in Round 2. Dr. Phillips got jobbed though by having to travel so far. So I take the brackets for what they are. At the end of the day, the teams with a real shot at making a deep run will make one regardless of who and where they play. 

  4. As an Osceola/Orange County guy, I look at the brackets and think that there's no way they were "randomly generated." Look at that region in 7A. Weikiva, Edgewater, Viera and Wiregrass don't have to play each other until Round 3. While I get that a bracket should have the best teams advancing, random chance would dictate there would be more powerhouse matchups early in the playoffs than we're seeing. Osceola and Apopka getting byes seems appropriate though in 8A. They should have those.

  5. I know where I am now, we have the varsity and JV guys together for Indy with the varsity coaches. After that, the JV guys split off with JV coaches and work team stuff while varsity guys get special teams/group work. 

     

    I think that places outside of Florida can have different priorities simply because with the higher salaries, there is more pressure on varsity coaches to win. 

  6. 1 hour ago, Kowboys4Life said:

    Osceola is down this year, OL is young, inexperienced skill kids, they hope to be able to compete with a team like Vero :)

    Oh yeah. I forgot. Isn't Tohopekaliga the new flavor of the month down around that area? :lol:

  7. Obviously, I'm late to the party on this thread but I think you have to opt-in regardless (unless you're in an area that cannot play anytime soon). I think being able to add games after getting bounced from the playoffs may help some teams that don't usually make it get a taste of postseason life. I think it also allows teams to do right by their seniors and let them get a chance to go chase a ring.

  8. As a football coach up near Orlando, I am very much resigned to the fact that we likely will not have Spring ball. After today's announcement of students having to stay away from schools until at least April 15, I think that the FHSAA will have cover to cancel all Spring sports. I feel worst for seniors who can't finish sports like track, weightlifting, etc. 

  9. I can't speak to transfers showing up (which I am sure they will, considering the success of the program) but a schedule like that sure feels like Edgewater is confident about their chances to make another run at the State Championship. However, going undefeated feels like a stretch to me. I have no doubts about them having a great year though.

  10. Maybe I'm a little bit shell shocked because I'm in an area where there aren't many teams that can have that kind of sustained success. To me, 60+ wins in a row (regular season, I know) is already an outstanding accomplishment. That's not easy to do. Is it as impressive as other streaks since it didn't include the playoffs/state titles? I don't think so. Does it need to be a decade long to be impressive? No. I think there's a reason many teams haven't been able to accomplish what Vero has done, and is there anybody else who is close to Vero's win streak? I'm not too familiar with other areas of the state?

  11. 15 hours ago, skyway said:

    Certainly in football, you have two separate trends impacting participation rates. First, there is the CTE matter which figures to lead to a decline. Then, there is the "Super team" phenomenon. The top players are congregating at fewer schools. This makes those teams who lose those players unable to compete, which is not merely "not fun", but also leads to even more danger for players. A QB or RB trying to play behind an OL that is getting thoroughly mauled is at much greater risk for serious injury, for example. Players who are not good enough to be desired by one of the handful of elite powers are going to start giving up the sport entirely. 

    Now, there is always the option to follow what we see at colleges. There can be "club" type of sports programs. This allows for teamwork and the general benefits of extracurricular activities to still exist, without schools having to invest as much money for things like traveling to away games, more sophisticated resources etc.

    The other sports already see a significant-typically greater-influence of specialty academies and/or AAU teams. Many college and pro scouts in basketball actually skip over talking to HS coaches and instead seek out the AAU coach and handlers. I think schools, public schools anyway, are going to see the handwriting on the wall and let the specialty sports academies do their thing for aspiring pro athletes. This will allow them to fully focus on academics. And you won't see kids transferring around. They can just sign on to whatever academy independent of where they attend high school.

    You made some really good points in the top part of your post. Safety is an issue when all of the D-1 (heck, even NAIA) talent transfers to one or two schools and everybody else has to piece together a roster with scraps. Nobody wants their 5'10, 180 LB offensive lineman of a son trying to stop a DUDE on a super team.

    But, I think public schools - and the athletic programs associated with them - will never get rid of football. There would have to be a major influx of these academies. And I think that public schools offer avenues for all those kids who want to play sports and know they aren't going to go anywhere near the pros (which I'm assuming is a boat a lot of us on this board probably ended up in hahaha). High school is about more than being geared for athletics, so as long as there are enough bodies to field teams safely and enough coaches willing to put in the time, there will be high school football. It might look a lot different in 20 years, but it'll be there.

  12. 11 hours ago, skyway said:

    I sure hope this isn't the case. But, I really wouldn't be surprised if it was. We are watching high school sports moving towards extinction. Give it 20 years. Checkback in 2040, and I bet sports for this age group consist of academies and/or AAU style sports specialty groups. The actual high schools will gradually stop investing the time and money.

    I think that academies are going to rise because people want to make money off of students and parents who are too naive to realize that college coaches do still come talk to and visit with high school coaches. That being said, I cannot imagine any scenario where high schools drop sports (especially like football and basketball) because of these academies. The most I could see in the future would be two separate entities playing for State Titles - one for public schools and one for private, but even that seems like a stretch. Extracurriculars are too important to high schools, especially public high schools, to get rid of the most popular. 

    I do get what you're saying though and I believe that these academies are going to end up doing a lot more harm than good for high school athletics.

  13. On 1/4/2020 at 5:27 PM, gatorman-uf said:

    Simple question: What is the proper pay for a public high school football coach in the state of Florida (please remember to include their teaching salary)? So if you said 20K, is that just the stipend? If you said 50K, is that stipend only or stipend plus salary?

    I know in most counties, coaching pay for any sport is given as a supplement on top of your salary and there’s very little in terms of different supplements for winning - although some counties give a postseason bonus.

    I’m in Central Florida so in Orange and Osceola Counties I’m pretty sure a HFC gets a stipend of like $4,500 for the entire year - including summer and Spring ball. Now that’s not to say there aren’t other ways to make more (ie booster clubs or being a head/assistant coach for other sports) but most counties in my area pay that 4000-4500 for the HC and call it a day.

  14. As an aspiring HC, I think that you need an administration that has your back and believes in your vision - especially if you're a first-time HC. I'd say a supportive community would be great but that will come with success on the field. Every coach is a competitor and wants to compete for/win championships but that's not why you take over a team. Gotta be in it to build better sons/young men and future employees, husbands/fathers. If you're in it for that reason and find an admin who supports you, you are doing something right.

     

  15. 20 hours ago, nolebull813 said:

    Yeah the coach for Fivay said that his AD said Playoffs or bust! 

    Lmao! Garbage ass Fivay gets 7 wins and the AD thinks they are some elite team who is too good for a bowl. 

    I was most surprised of Dunedin. They are independent so they had no chance at a bowl from the beginning. They could have rewarded their team who has never seen success. 

    From a coaching standpoint, you have kids work all year to get to the playoffs. It’s hard, especially for some teams that were on the bubble/in contention until that last week of the season, to get kids to gear up for what feels like a “participation trophy” type deal. 

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