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  1. Cocoa Appeal Officially Denied

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    5 hours ago, Airek said:

    1)  Clock operator does not act independently, only with direction from on-field officials.  They're looking for exactly what you described, the 'stop clock' signal or 'wind clock' symbol.

    2) For a dead ball, the white hat signals the restart of the clock.  They'll do this as part of the ready for play signal or when appropriate.

    3) I think most clips skipped the signal, but either way, it would be a 15-yard dead ball penalty.  Not an automatic first down or enough yardage for a first down.  I have a feeling there was a communication breakdown with the down marker, but nothing 'wrong' there.

    4) See above.  Remember the chain gang are home team volunteers and could have been getting conflicting info from a variety of sources.  It is officials job to ensure it is correct.

    5) 100% the clock should have been running.  In the Cocoa/STA game, if you look on that second down play, the referee signals ready for play, but never continues the action to start the clock.  That was VERY wrong.  Clock should have been started before the ready for play actually.  If you don't do that, then every defense will just go headhunting for a penalty.  The normal you'll see is signaling the penalty and then winding the clock right then, followed by shortly after giving the 'ready for play' signal which starts the play clock.  They gave an advantage and incentive to the defense to get a penalty, which paid off with an undeserved victory.  It is 100% officials job to ensure this DOESN'T happen and they didn't.  When I've seen similar in nearly same situations, ref wound the clock after announcing penalty, which hurt defense further, as it should, because otherwise you encourage dangerous, penalty-seeking play.

    6) Never trust anything on the scoreboard besides the clock.  Everything else on the scoreboard is optional to put in, and often is done by a home-team volunteer, a.k.a. unofficial.  When you want to know timeouts, ask the official, they will tell you.  I can guarantee someone on Cocoa sideline looked at scoreboard, but I can also guarantee you someone asked the official.  Either way, the timeout shouldn't have mattered and was factored into the kneel-down decision.

    Also, the 12 men on the field... STA lined up with 14, one ran off quickly, the 13th was possibly off, but real close and I doubt there's a definitive view of on/off out there, but the 12... GOOD LORD.  They did the whole play with 12, not one running off and close but literally 12 on the field.  You can watch the replay of that and Cocoa HC twitter shot to see it clear as day.  That's illegal participation, which while it wouldn't have been a first down, it would have been a replay of 4th with a winding clock, therefore Cocoa win.

     

    In the end, where this really comes into play is the final rankings and what seeding Cocoa gets in the playoffs.  Will they miss a home playoff game or two because of this?  That's money for the program/school, prestige, community, etc. that they could miss out on when they earned the win.  No matter what FHSAA says, Cocoa won that fair & square and should be counted as having the win.  At the end of the season, we may revisit this depending on seeding.  I hope Cocoa isn't hurt by this and it just motivates them further.

    Thank you for posting this, and all of your valid points. I have a feeling that you are a member of a certain elite "fraternity" that many posters to this message board know nothing about and are not qualified to comment on.  

  4. Cocoa Appeal Officially Denied

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    1 hour ago, Perspective said:

    Apparently, someone had one of those TV satellite dish microphones on the sidelines and picked up this conversation between the referee, the side judge and the back judge immediately after the Cocoa punt:

    Ref (looking at the Back Judge):  "OK, whatcha got?"

    Back Judge:  "I got 12 men on the field against the defense."

    Side Judge:   "Well, I was standing over on the Aquinas sideline and I think Number 16 got off the field just before the snap."

    Back Judge:  "Well, I counted 12 guys in blue even if Number 16 got off in time."

    Side Judge:  "I just don't know about that.  Are you sure?"

    Back Judge:  "Um, yeah, I can count to 12."

    Ref:  "Who's signing our checks for this game?" 

    ***crickets***

    Ref picks up the yellow flag and waves off the penalty. 

     

    [The previous account is a work of fiction and any resemblance to any persons or events is purely coincidental.]

    Your whole message board posting career is a work of fiction. 

  5. Cocoa Appeal Officially Denied

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    1 hour ago, Perspective said:

    The final sentence of that article tells you why Cocoa is f*cked:  "Now their fate will be in the hands of the FHSAA."

    The FHSAA does not have the authority to overturn the final results of a high school football game per NFHS rules. How many times do I have to type this before it gets though? 

  7. Cocoa Appeal Officially Denied

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    6 minutes ago, Dr. D said:

    Further, 10.3.2 Protesting Actions of Contest Officials.  The decisions of contest officials shall be final and not subject to review.  Member schools should file reports with the Executive Director of unsatisfactory performance by contest officials which may be due to alleged lack of knowledge of the rules, errors in judgment or improper conduct. (good luck with that!)

    You are correct on both of your posts. The game cannot be overturned, but the FHSAA can take other actions. Everyone should be held accountable for their actions, there are no excuses. (If it is determined this is really what happened in this game.) 

  9. Cocoa Appeal Officially Denied

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    4 hours ago, KeemD321 said:

    What do y'all think will happen.....the typical FHSAA response, officials going through extra training, or results being reversed? @nolebull813  @Cat_Scratch2 @VeniceIndianFan @DarterBlue2 @Jambun82 @Ray Icaza @DILLARD_HIGH_PANTHERS @Vero Indian 

    https://www.floridatoday.com/story/sports/high-school/football/2023/09/10/cocoa-high-football-to-appeal-fhsaa-over-st-thomas-aquinas-finish/70817919007/

    I don't believe that a game can be overturned on appeal. The Rule Book clearly states that a Referee's decision is final and protests of rulings by officials afterword are not recognized. 

  10. Cocoa 36 STA 37 F

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    4 hours ago, Cat_Scratch2 said:

    Thanks man. I've seen some of the love the board is giving you. You know how it is... always the Refs fault, same as an umpire in baseball.

    My computer was hacked. Just now getting back on the boards with new accounts.

    Anyway, just so you know, I appreciate the refs even when the calls are iffy, it's not always easy and sports would be brawls if there were no umpires.

    This is the most fun that I have ever had on any message board, I love all of the great compliments that I receive from the likes of DarterBlue2, Cribboy305, That Crap Was Funny, Longtime Observer, Trelle, and ExplorerHomer2, among others. These posters all know the truth deep down, something that Dan in Daytona and Perspective have known for many years, what a great honor and privilege it is for all of them to speak to, hear from, and learn from me! 

  11. Cocoa 36 STA 37 F

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    15 hours ago, KeemD321 said:

    Here's video proof of the whole sequence and a pic from the Hudl sideline vid of STA with 12 players on the field during Cocoa's punt where the flag was waved off. @Jambun82 honest opinion on this sequence. Do you feel like everyone is wrong about the refs during this sequence? 

     

    Yes, I counted 12 STA players as well. 

  13. Cocoa 36 STA 37 F

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    19 hours ago, Cat_Scratch2 said:

    Yep... If nothing else, I bet STA thinks twice about Cocoa the next time they play. If the refs took the game away from Cocoa then that's on the ref's. If the ref's screwed this up then Jambun will get to the bottom of it, right jambun.

    Where have you been Cat_Scratch2? I am glad that you are still posting to this message board, it was a little concerned for a while. You are one of the "good" people on this message board. 

  15. Cocoa 36 STA 37 F

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    23 hours ago, Longtime Observer said:

    I have this feeling that all of us are going to slam the officials, be pissed off, and say things that get us all banned, except for jambun. This site will just be jambun and Josh. :P

    Well, you are talking about the two most-informed and knowledgeable people posting on this message board, so that might be justified. 

  16. Cocoa 36 STA 37 F

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    On 9/8/2023 at 11:31 PM, KeemD321 said:

    I'm in twitter spaces with coaches and players involved and they said the refs refused to run the clock. Even STA HC apologized for the officiating. First kneel only 1 sec ran off the clock when in the rule book 3 secs are supposed to come off. The QB took a knee and was hit. Penalty called wasn't the correct call of a deadball unsportsmanlike conduct on Cocoa's 3rd down. Which should've been an automatic 1st down

    Unsportsmanlike Conduct is a non-contact foul, and is not an automatic first down penalty enforcement. That correct penalty would be a dead-ball personal foul, which is also not an automatic first down enforcement. Where in the rule book does it state that 3 seconds are supposed to come off the clock? 

  17. Vero cheated Northwestern

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    3 hours ago, JDHoss said:

    Virginia, and no. I'm an old man now. I did it when I was much younger, but got a good job at a chemical plant that required me to work swing shift, which made it impossible to officiate unless I wanted to spend a bunch of my vacation days to do it. Refs have always missed calls and always will, but I have the utmost respect for them just for being out there so the kids can play. 

    What part of Virginia did you officiate in? 

  18. Cocoa 36 STA 37 F

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    2 minutes ago, VeniceIndianFan said:

    Didn’t Coach Schneider or anyone on Cocoa’s sideline try to stop this from happening? The FHSAA needs to investigate this game and if (when,) cheating is found, declare Cocoa the rightful winner and make STA forfeit the game due to a conflict of interest with the GC operator. 

    That can't happen. The referee's decision is final in all cases. 

  24. Commenting on High School Football Officiating.

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    9 hours ago, Dan in Daytona said:

    I'm in agreement with your assessment. He's edgier now, much more assertive, and very aggressive and condescending when the officiating profession is attacked or criticized. After a few weeks of going back and forth on the internet we met up (my suggestion) for lunch at RR (his choice). Surprisingly it went well. We then didn't insult each other for several years after that lunch. That was my one and only trip to Red Robin's. That S Funny, I believe we've met...  

    I know what a great moment in your life that lunch was for you Dan. You learned and were taught a lot, and there was no doubt that you were much smarter after the meal. You will remember that day for the rest of your life, and my guess is that the reason that you haven't been back to a great restaurant like Red Robin is that it would be all downhill for you the next time. The food is great there, but you would obviously be wishing that I was there to impart some more knowledge on you, so that is why you don't go back. The honor and privilege was all yours Dan nearly 8 years after that lunch happened, and you are very welcome, Dan.    

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