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  1. Bad Press Is Good Press...Right?

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    1 hour ago, nolebull813 said:

    I dont want any of that. I want the kids and their families to make the best decision for them both academically and athletically. Each case is completely different than the next. 

    Nolebull, so here's the scenario:   A coach or a booster from a high school in Florida approaches a kid who plays football at a different school and offers that kid and/or that kid's parents a boatload of benefits (money, an apartment, or anything else that would, under existing rules, qualify as an "impermissible benefit").  Let's break this down:  it's OK for the kid and his family to accept the impermissible benefits as long as they believe that they're making the 'best decision' for their family.  And it's OK for the coach or booster to provide such impermissible benefits because that somehow improves the kid's chances of succeeding as an athlete and/or student.  Wait, it's not just "OK" for the coach or booster to do that, they should be encouraged to do that because that's the only way they'll be able to keep up with all the other coaches and boosters that are breaking the rules by providing impermissible benefits to other kids.  Have I got that right?  Do you want to do away with all the rules involving recruiting, benefits, transferring, etc. or just keep the rules in place, but not enforce them?  

    #Lordoftheflies

  2. Bad Press Is Good Press...Right?

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    36 minutes ago, nolebull813 said:

    Link to the broken rule please. 

     

    “Knowing that we are committing [rules] violations and nothing is being done set off alarms for me."

    Quote from the former (as of a week or so ago) baseball coach at the high school in question (in the article at the beginning of this thread).   Admittedly, he was not one of the football coaches, but between he and his wife (who was the principal of the school), they seemed to have a lot of insider information.  Note also, that he uses the word "we," referring to the school he was coaching. 

    Do I have any direct knowledge of cheating?   Nope.   But when I see this much smoke, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that there is some fire burning in there somewhere. 

  5. Bad Press Is Good Press...Right?

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    6 hours ago, nolebull813 said:

    Can someone post a link of the evidence of recruiting violations and not heresy from rival coaches? 
     

    Im not saying they are innocent. Actually  I am. Innocent until PROVEN guilty 

    I think it was a coach from their own school (albeit from another sport) that was calling the school out. 

  7. 2024 football schedules

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    In an effort to get this thread back on track, here's Tampa Plant's schedule for the 2024 season:

    8/16 – vs. Lecanto  (KOC)

    8/23 – TBD (reports of a trip to Ireland have already been posted)

    8/30 – vs. Gaither

    9/6 – vs. Robinson

    9/13 - @ Tampa Bay Tech

    9/20 – vs. Sumner

    9/27 – vs. Armwood*

    10/4 – bye

    10/10 - @ Wharton*

    10/18 - @ Berkeley

    10/25 - @ Sickles*

    11/1 vs. Steinbrenner

     

    * - denotes District Game

    (6A Reg. 2, Dis. 8)

    The three-game stretch in the middle/end of September will likely determine what kind of team/season Plant has this coming season (TBT, Sumner and Armwood).   The stretch in October will determine if they make the playoffs. 

  8. Venice Has no proven RB

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    1 hour ago, Longtime Observer said:

    We can look to the college game for ideas on how to work around rules. A little creativity, along with clever use of euphemisms, goes a long way.

    Businesses like car dealerships have long been free to enter into sponsorship deals with local football programs. The businesses can choose who to sponsor or not. Then, with such an agreement in place, commercials and promotions can be held featuring players from the sponsored program, which can be called an "NIL" deal.

    Of course there is ample room for debates around the "spirit" vs. "the letter" of the law. You're not wrong; there are just ways around the issues you raise. (None of which are for the betterment of the game.)

    The difference that I see is that colleges and universities can recruit (in fact, they have to in order to be competitive). More importantly, the local car dealership can be loyal to a particular college or university and under new NIL rules, it can pay a student-athlete.     As it stands now, that same car dealership can be loyal to a particular high school football team, but as soon as they start providing payments to players, they run afoul of the FHSAA rules prohibiting "impermissible benefits."  This whole section would have to be changed:

    "37.2 IMPERMISSIBLE BENEFIT
    37.2.1 General Regulation. No school employee, athletic department staff member, representative of the school’s athletic
    interests or third parties, such as an independent person, business, or organization, may be involved, directly or indirectly, in giving
    an impermissible benefit to any student or any member of his/her family for the purpose of participating in interscholastic athletics,
    or to any student-athlete who already attends a school.
    37.2.2 Specific Prohibitions. Specifically prohibited arrangements, assistance or benefits include, but are not limited to,
    the following:
    37.2.2.1 School-based financial assistance of any kind that exceeds the amount for which a student has been approved
    by an independent financial needs assessment company that is recognized by the FHSAA or otherwise is in excess of any supplemental
    assistance provided by a school to each and every student who qualifies for financial assistance.
    37.2.2.2 Cash or like items, such as credit cards, debit cards, gift cards, gift certificates, coupons, or vouchers. . . .."

     

    What's wrong with keeping high school sports purely amateur?  Unlike colleges and universities, no one (including/especially the high schools) is really 'profiting' from the name, image or likeness of a high school athletes, are they?   My kids played with some pretty high-profile guys, but I don't recall Dick's selling jerseys with their names printed on the back.  Are high school football players from Florida going to start fleeing to other states to pick up a few grand?   Perhaps a kid from the panhandle or Jacksonville might get pulled north to Georgia or Alabama for a few bucks, but I can't see any south Florida kids making the move north unless the money was huge (like a once-in-a-generation kid).    Let NIL screw up the college game, but keep the high school game as pure as possible. 

  9. Venice Has no proven RB

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    On 3/30/2024 at 8:15 AM, Longtime Observer said:

    Antwan Raymond from Clearwater Academy. Ultimately, it's all about who's offering the most money. Venice will offer a nice compensation package, as will others. If you know some of the boosters for top programs, check who follows them on Twitter etc. That will offer an indication of who's been making offers. Mind you, the programs aren't "recruiting", as that is illegal. Instead, they are offering "NIL" deals in the event that it becomes fully legal in the state. Decisions aren't being made until clarity around "NIL" is clear.

    Unless and until the FHSAA changes the rules regarding recruiting, I don't see how you can possibly reconcile "allowing NIL deals" with "no recruiting."   The only way that I can see it happening is if companies offering NIL deals offer the deals to players at multiple high schools.   But, if you've got, let's say, a car dealership in Venice or Lakeland that only offers NIL deals to kids who attend Venice or Lakeland, that constitutes recruiting. 

  12. Hillsborough County public’s vs Everybody

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    16 hours ago, nolebull813 said:

    More out of county games than I can ever remember. A lot are district games though. 
     

    Durant vs Lake Gibson, and Bartow 

    Lennard vs Pasco, Lakewood Ranch, Parrish Community, Gateway and Palmetto 

    Alonso vs Palmetto, 

    Robinson vs Seminole 

    Spoto vs Davenport

    Sickles vs Oviedo

    Sumner vs Bartram Trail and Lakeland 

    Newsome vs Palmetto 

    Riverview vs Sarasota Riverview and Bartow 

    Steinbrenner vs River Ridge, East Lake, Largo and PHU

    Gaither vs Wesley Chapel, Springstead and Cypress Creek

    Chamberlain vs Cardinal Mooney

    Freedom vs Fivay, Pasco, Zephyrhills and Fort Meade 

    Jefferson vs Palmetto Ridge and Jenkins 

    Bloomingdale vs Bartow 

    Leto vs Cardinal Mooney 

    Hillsborough vs Columbia 

    Tampa Bay Tech vs Venice 

     

    And Plant supposedly is trying to go to Ireland to play but needs and opponent 

    Nolebull, just out of curiosity, how many of these games are away games vs. a non-district opponent? 

  13. NIL coming to Florida? FHSAA requests public feedback

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    4 hours ago, SportsFan said:

    The governor has said in the past that they would pull the FHSAA funding if they ever tried to separate privates and publics or if they tried to interfere with state law (such as the school choice) 

    Now that the FHSAA board of directors included 8 people appointed directly by desantis (which alone is a voting majority on the board) it's clear the governor's office and their political party has unanimous control over high school athletics in the state of Florida 

    Understood.   But how does this impact or affect the FHSAA's position on recruiting?   Do the powers-to-be want schools to be able to recruit? 

  14. High School Portal Opens Up Again for Venice

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    12 hours ago, Longtime Observer said:

    This might mean Venice is going to win the Antwan Raymond sweepstakes. Raymond would start over Wilder most likely.

    According to Raymond's X account, Raymond has official visits scheduled as follows:

    3/7:  USF

    3/23:  Syracuse

    3/29:  West Virginia

    3/30:  Rutgers

    4/1:  Venice High School

     

    B)  (Note:  80% of this post is factually accurate)

  15. NIL coming to Florida? FHSAA requests public feedback

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    4 hours ago, SportsFan said:

    The problem is when the FHSAA can't really police recruiting it becomes Irrelevant

    There are schools who have been told are recruiting and are even on the FHSAA radar because they know it but until a parent or player turns on the school they are getting away with it 

    That brings me to this, if a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around does it make a sound? So if someone's recruiting and nobody can actually prove it to the FHSAA what's going to happen to them at all? NIL will just open up another can of worms and make it even more impossible to try and restrict it and that will be the problem we as a state are stuck with because politicians who know nothing about athletics are going to do whatever they want without giving a crap what chaos they create 

    Serious question (for everyone):  I know the FHSAA had to back down on the school choice issue, but has the governor, the legislature or anyone else in Tallahassee explicitly or implicitly threatened the FHSAA for cracking down on recruiting?   In other words, why can't the FHSAA be more proactive when it comes to investigating schools that recruit?   If memory serves me correct, the FHSAA was very active a decade or so ago with respect to making sure kids went to the schools for which they were zoned (and making sure there were no apartment deals or other impermissible benefits).   Why can't they do the same thing now with recruiting?   Is someone putting pressure on them to turn a blind eye to recruiting?   Who?   And if you believe that to be the case, please be as factually detailed with your response as possible.  Thanks. 

  19. NIL coming to Florida? FHSAA requests public feedback

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    I just don't see you can reconcile NIL, on the one hand, and recruiting, on the other hand, in high school sports.    

    Colleges are allowed to recruit. It's a major part of whether a team/coach is successful.  And once a school has signaled its intent to recruit a particular player, the collective affiliated with that particular college or university can then step in and try to negotiate a NIL deal with the player being recruited.   Somewhat oversimplified, but I think that's accurate.

    High schools are not allowed to recruit.   If anyone associated with a school (coach, parent, booster, etc.) offers/promises to do anything for a prospective transfer student to lure that student to their school, that's recruiting.  And, as the rules are currently written, that's illegal.  Similarly, if anyone (most likely a parent or booster) does anything for a particular player that isn't done for all other students, that's considered to be an impermissible benefit.  And that's also illegal. 

    So, how do you re-write the rules to allow NIL without removing the "no recruiting" and "no impermissible benefits" sections of the rules?   Almost by definition, anyone that forms a collective or who personally signs someone to an NIL deal would be considered "a representative of the school’s athletic interests."   If you re-write all these rules to allow NIL, what will you be left with?   

  23. Rural classification proposal -- the future of Florida postseason?

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    1 hour ago, CoachGraham said:

    I personally wouldn't hate having a "B" bracket so long as the winner of said bracket is not considered a state champion...because they're not. But more football isn't a bad thing, it is just all about perspective. You cannot call these teams state champions.

    Any time something is "all about perspective," I'm in favor of it!   :D

    Joking aside, I'm OK with the idea of 'more football,' and completely agree that you can call the successful teams almost anything you want as long as you don't call them 'state champions.'    Ironically, the concept is being tested in the rural areas, where kids are more likely to play multiple sports.  This idea may actually get some push-back from high school basketball coaches in rural areas, as prolonged football seasons will keep kids off the basketball court that much longer. 

  24. Rural classification proposal -- the future of Florida postseason?

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    Isn't this basically what the Sunshine State Athletic Association did at the end of this past season -- where every team participated in some form of post-season play and the teams were grouped together based on their records/rankings?   

    I'm wondering if this is a proactive effort to keep football alive and kicking in the rural areas.  Regardless, I'm not a fan of the 'bottom half' of any classification being able to compete for a "state championship."

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