nolebull813
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3 hours ago, Lake Sumter Observer said:
Glad to see they cancelled that Gonzaga game. It would have been an embarrassment
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1 hour ago, Perspective said:
Nolebull, so here's the scenario: A coach or a booster from a high school in Florida approaches a kid who plays football at a different school and offers that kid and/or that kid's parents a boatload of benefits (money, an apartment, or anything else that would, under existing rules, qualify as an "impermissible benefit"). Let's break this down: it's OK for the kid and his family to accept the impermissible benefits as long as they believe that they're making the 'best decision' for their family. And it's OK for the coach or booster to provide such impermissible benefits because that somehow improves the kid's chances of succeeding as an athlete and/or student. Wait, it's not just "OK" for the coach or booster to do that, they should be encouraged to do that because that's the only way they'll be able to keep up with all the other coaches and boosters that are breaking the rules by providing impermissible benefits to other kids. Have I got that right? Do you want to do away with all the rules involving recruiting, benefits, transferring, etc. or just keep the rules in place, but not enforce them?
#Lordoftheflies
Here’s a scenario that will cook your noodle. There’s an 11th grader at a D rated public school. Lives in a bad neighborhood with a single mom and a bunch of siblings. Dirt poor, and struggle just to eat and keep the lights on. He can’t get a part time job to help out because he has to watch his little siblings while his mom works.
The school he plays for has poor attendance at the football games, and is always bad. He is a super star for them and tons of new bandwagon fans start to attend the games because they are good and he is the reason. School is making tons of new money.
Season is over. Back to reality for him. School year is over. Summer hits. Some “runner” on behalf of the rich local private school “offers” his mom, him, and all his siblings a way out of poverty. New place to live, food on the table, and an opportunity to get a quality education and maximize exposure for all the top colleges to see. A once in a lifetime opportunity to get his family out of poverty.
What say you? Does he say no and continue to barely survive, or does he take the deal?
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1 hour ago, Perspective said:
Nolebull, so here's the scenario: A coach or a booster from a high school in Florida approaches a kid who plays football at a different school and offers that kid and/or that kid's parents a boatload of benefits (money, an apartment, or anything else that would, under existing rules, qualify as an "impermissible benefit"). Let's break this down: it's OK for the kid and his family to accept the impermissible benefits as long as they believe that they're making the 'best decision' for their family. And it's OK for the coach or booster to provide such impermissible benefits because that somehow improves the kid's chances of succeeding as an athlete and/or student. Wait, it's not just "OK" for the coach or booster to do that, they should be encouraged to do that because that's the only way they'll be able to keep up with all the other coaches and boosters that are breaking the rules by providing impermissible benefits to other kids. Have I got that right? Do you want to do away with all the rules involving recruiting, benefits, transferring, etc. or just keep the rules in place, but not enforce them?
#Lordoftheflies
To make it short and sweet. I am against breaking the rules. If there is a rule that seems outdated or unfair then it should be amended/changed/repealed with majority rule
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2 minutes ago, Ray Icaza said:
Thanks for admitting that you do not know why they transferred or the several others that mysteriously transferred to that school (not a known powerhouse). Thanks for also agreeing you specifically have to ask all the kids that left for seemingly inexplicable reasons why. That happened as a matter of fact which raises suspicion thus the launch of an investigation by the FHSAA who hopefully will ask YOUR question as well as many more to get to the bottom of it. Any fair-minded person should readily support this investigation. If you don't support and admitted you don't know the facts, you are basically guilty of what some are accusing you of. I would hope you would like to know the TRUTH as opposed to simply attacking the messengers.
I am a huge proponent of innocent until proven guilty, and due process with credible evidence. I support a credible investigation, and not some witch hunt by disgruntled folks both near and far from the program. Let’s hope they can get to the bottom of this quickly
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13 minutes ago, Floridaatlantic1 said:
Nole wants high schools to put together NIL packages and let the highest bidder win and the sad part is the FHSAA wont do anything even if they caught the team red handed recruiting with illegal benefits. Ridiculous
I dont want any of that. I want the kids and their families to make the best decision for them both academically and athletically. Each case is completely different than the next.
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1 hour ago, Ray Icaza said:
Flawed reasons you sight for leaving when you look at the two players we lost. They both played at OHS their freshmen and sophomore seasons with significant varsity playing time as sophomores and were projected starters for next season. Our school is not "FAILING THEM" academically, athletically or any other measure as we sent about a dozen seniors from the 2023 class to further their education thru football. This list included 5 going to D1 schools like Florida, FSU, UCF, Oklahoma and Rutgers. I ask you specifically like you ask others to tell me exactly why they left since I just debunked your stated reasons. The answer is you have no idea but turning a blind eye to the "Possibility" of rule breaking is wrong. By the way, losing those 2 will not ruin our upcoming season as we have others capable of stepping up in their place and so my concern isn't that.
You would have to ask those two kids specifically why they left. And sometimes it necessarily isn’t because things are wrong at their first school. It could be a parental choice where the kid doesn’t get a say. We have no idea unless you have specifically heard the kid and/or his parents say the exact reason why they transfered
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Imagine if they decided to play with a bunch of kids who would never play a down of athletic competition a day in their life after high school and the school starts becoming a door mat for everyone to beat up on.
And then they get a reputation of being an athletic laughingstock. And enrollment goes down, and they have financial troubles.
But hey, at least they appeased some message board goobers
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40 minutes ago, Floridaatlantic1 said:
It seems like a lot of turnover at many positions in that school. New coach needs to rent some apartments for players and give some 100 dollar handshakes to make it in today Florida high school football. Oh wait, no one recruits illegally here in Florida... my bad
Sink or swim!!!!!!!!!!
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And when it comes to here say, and “he said, she said” people tend to believe the story that they agree with. The side of the story they would take regardless.
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44 minutes ago, Floridaatlantic1 said:
A insider called out the school and coach and lost his job for it but that is not enough evidence that some shady crap was going on. wow, I bet criminals wish you were on the jury because no one would ever be convicted.
What did he say specifically? That football players were being admitted via the scholarship feature that average joes can’t attain? The laws have changed and ANYONE in the state of Florida can apply to go to a private school. So maybe football players are given extra help with their application process. That wouldn’t mean other kids can’t apply. The scholarships are all done through the state. If the school wants to admit kids in a priority of how they can benefit the school I don’t see an issue with it. Private schools rely on money. Public schools just get millions of dollars thrown at it regardless of how incompetent or safe the school is. So I’m still not seeing the problem with kids wanting to get a better education coming from public schools that could be failing them.
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Lake Weir
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For example if Class 1 has 20 teams eligible to move up, but class 2 only has 15 teams eligible to move down then all 15 move down, and the 15 teams in class 1 with the highest winning percentage would move up.
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You could even bump teams up and down based on winning percentage.
After 2 years, teams with a .750 or higher would have to move up a class with the cap still being 125 teams per class. Teams with the highest winning percentage above .750 would move up first and so on.
Same with winning percentages of .250 or worse. They would move down with the worst percentages moving down first
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If you cut the classes to 4, that’s 125 teams each class. 500 teams. The rest are independent SSAC teams etc.
125 teams divided into 16 districts is 7-8 teams per district. No issue. Travel and scheduling would be easy breezy. Most games would be local and keep the rivalries fresh.
Playoffs would be an animal. The districts would be so big, and the classes so small that it would be highly unlikely that a garbage team makes the playoffs. Maybe one here or there but nothing like it is now.
Classify by enrollment. Maybe multiply privates by 1.5.
Let’s figure it out
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36 minutes ago, Perspective said:
"Choosing to break the rules is not a coach philosophy; it's cheating."
/s/ Annoyed and retired
Link to the broken rule please.
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Seeing these teams pop up on 11 man schedules. Anyone else?
Kipp Bold City (Jacksonville)
Sarasota Christian
Old Plank Christian (Jacksonville)
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Cypress Creek (Wesley Chapel)
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Oviedo
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Some old coaches don’t want to get with the times. No issue there. Things change. The dynamics and landscapes change. You can’t coach kids the same as you could in the 80’s. You couldn’t coach kids in the 80’s the same as you did in the 50’s. Perfectly fine.
You either adjust and update your coaching philosophy or you get annoyed and retire. Again no issue there.
But just because a coach realizes job security can hinge on how well you attract talent, doesn’t mean he lacks morals and values. I call bullshit on that
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14 minutes ago, Perspective said:
I think it was a coach from their own school (albeit from another sport) that was calling the school out.
He left because he didn’t want to get with the times? Can’t teach an old dog new tricks I guess.
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