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About halfway through the season, Josh and I started talking about the possibilities of several 1-9, 2-8 and 3-7 teams making the playoffs this year.

 

We started thinking of ways to change the playoff system without having to change the playoff system under the current structure.

 

After much thought, we came up with a way to make sure Northview, Jay, Maclay, FAMU, Eastside, Belleview and etc.. couldn't make our playoff system.

 

CLASS 1A 

 

Under the scenario presented: Northview (2-8) which made the FHSAA playoffs, would have missed our playoffs.     
 
DISTRICT CHAMPIONS (8) Automatic berths
District 1-Baker (7-3)
District 2-Vernon (8-2)
District 3-Port St Joe (8-1)
District 4-Liberty County (7-3)
District 5-Madison County (7-3)
District 6-Fort White (8-2)
District 7-Trenton (10-0)
District 8-Pahokee (8-2)
 
RUNNERUPS  (Nothing guaranteed)
District 1: Northview (2-8)
District 2: Graceville (7-3)
District 3: Blountstown (8-2)
District 4: Chipley (5-5) 
District 5: Jefferson County (5-5)
District 6: Union County (9-1)
Districts 7: Dixie County (7-3)
District 8: Fort Meade (9-1) 
 
BUBBLE TEAMS
Newberry (6-4) 
Cottondale (6-4) 
South Walton (6-4)  
Williston (5-5)
Sneads (5-5)
Freeport (5-5)
Hawthorne (5-5) 
Wewa (5-4)
 
SCENARIO 
--Divide bracket into North/South
--4 district champs in North and South make playoffs
--4 wild cards in North, 4 wild cards in South
--Seed all 8 teams in North/South   
--Highest seed host
--When two or more teams are tied with record for seeding purposes then head to head tiebreaker first, then strength of schedule second using win-loss record of opponents.
 
NORTH 
No. 6 Graceville (7-3) at No. 3 Baker (7-3)
No. 7 South Walton (6-4) No. 2 Vernon (8-2)
No. 8 Cottondale (6-4) at No. 1 Port St Joe (8-1)
No. 5 Blountstown (8-2) at No. 4 Liberty (7-3)
 
South Walton beat Cottondale during the season to break tie.
 
SOUTH  
No. 8 Newberry (6-4) at No. 1 Trenton (10-0)
No. 5 Fort Meade (9-1) at No. 4 Fort White (8-2)  
No. 6 Union County (9-1) at No. 3 Pahokee (8-2) 
No. 7 Dixie County (7-2) at No. 2 Madison County (7-3)
 
Pahokee's opponents record is better than Fort White's, thus breaking the tie.
 
Positives
--No long road trips by dividing bracket into North/South
--Financially makes sense close proximities for each round 
 
Negatives
--Not having top teams in state play in Final Four or in state title
--Potential of teams in same district meeting in Round 1 or Round 2
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Under the scenario presented: Maclay (2-8) and Warner Christian (3-7) which both made the FHSAA playoffs, would have missed our playoffs.   

 

CLASS 2A

 

DISTRICT CHAMPIONS (8) Automatic berths

District 1-North Florida Christian (6-4)

District 2-University Christian (7-3) 

District 3-Deltona Trinity (6-4)  

District 4-Foundation Academy (6-4)

District 5-Cambridge (9-0) 

District 6-Admiral Farragut (9-1)

District 7-Naples First Baptist (9-1) 

District 8-Dade Christian (8-1) 

 

RUNNERUPS  (Nothing guaranteed)

District 1: Maclay (2-8) OUT 

District 2: Cedar Creek Christian (7-3) IN

District 3: Warner Christian (3-7) OUT

District 4:  Victory Christian (5-5) IN

District 5: Carrollwood Day (7-3)  IN

District 6: Northside Christian (8-1) IN

Districts 7: Community School of Naples (9-1) IN

District 8: Village Academy (5-5) 

 

BUBBLE TEAMS

NORTH

Cornerstone (6-4) IN

SOUTH

Seffner Christian (6-4) IN

Moore Haven (7-3) IN

Southwest Fla Christian (5-5)

 

SCENARIO 

--Divide bracket into North/South

--4 district champs in North and South make playoffs

--4 wild cards in North, 4 wild cards in South

--Seed all 8 teams in North/South   

--District champs host first round

--Wildcards travel regardless of record

 

NORTH 

No. 6 Seffner Christian (6-4) at No. 3 Foundation (6-4)

No. 7 Cornerstone (6-4) at No. 2 North Florida Christian (6-4) 

No. 8 Victory Christian (5-5) at No. 1 University Christian (7-3)

No. 5 Cedar Creek Christian (7-3) at No. 4 Deltona Trinity (6-4)

 

SOUTH  

No. 8 Moore Haven (7-3) at No. 1 Cambridge (9-0)

No. 5 Northside Christian (8-1) at No. 4 Dade Christian (8-1)   

No. 6 Community School of Naples (9-1) at No. 3 Admiral Farragut (9-1)  

No. 7 Carrollwood Day (7-3) at No. 2 First Baptist (9-1) 

 

*Rather than send a 3-7 Eagles View team from the North I decided to send Seffner Christian (6-4) who would have missed the playoffs and put them in the North bracket. 

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Class 3A

 

Under the scenario presented: Providence (3-6), Pensacola Catholic (2-8) and Cardinal Mooney (2-8) which made the FHSAA playoffs, would have missed our playoffs.   
 
DISTRICT CHAMPIONS (8) Automatic berths
District 1-Taylor County (5-5) 
District 2-Trinity Christian (10-0) 
District 3-Trinity Catholic (3-7)   
District 4-Tampa Catholic (8-2) 
District 5- Clearwater Central Catholic (10-0)
District 6-John Carroll (7-3) 
District 7- Oxbridge (7-3)  
District 8- Miami Westminster (8-1) 
 
RUNNERUPS  (Nothing guaranteed)
District 1: Pensacola Catholic (2-8) OUT 
District 2: Providence (3-6) OUT
District 3: Trinity Prep (8-2) IN 
District 4: Lakeland Christian (9-1) IN 
District 5: Cardinal Mooney (2-8) OUT
District 6: Holy Trinity (7-3) IN  
District 7: Delray American Heritage (7-2) IN
District 8: Chaminade (7-2) IN
 
BUBBLE TEAMS
NORTH
Florida High (6-4) IN
Episcopal (5-5) 
First Academy (5-5)
Berkeley (6-4) IN
 
SOUTH
MCC (5-5) played 5 playoff teams, harder schedule than Everglades who played 3   
Everglades Prep (5-5) gets in over Somerset head to head 
Somerset Academy (6-4) lost to Everglades 
 
SCENARIO 
--Divide bracket into North/South
--4 district champs in North and South make playoffs
--4 wild cards in North, 4 wild cards in South
--Seed all 8 teams in North/South   
--District champs host first round
--Highest seed host
 
NORTH 
No. 6 Trinity Prep (8-2) at No. 3 Taylor County (5-5) 
No. 7 Florida High (6-4) at No. 2 Tampa Catholic (8-2)   
No. 8 Berkeley (6-4) at No. 1 Trinity Christian (10-0) 
No. 5 Lakeland Christian (9-1) at No. 4 Trinity Catholic (3-7)
 
SOUTH  
No. 8 Melbourne Central Catholic (5-5) at No. 1 Clearwater Central Catholic (10-0) 
No. 5 American Heritage (7-2) at No. 4 John Carroll (7-3)  
No. 6 Chaminade (7-2) at No. 3 Oxbridge (7-3)   
No. 7 Holy Trinity (7-3) at No. 2 Westminster (8-1)   
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Class 4A Playoff Scenarios 

 

About the halfway point of the season, we realized something had to be done to make sure 1-9 and 2-8 teams would not make the playoffs. We started thinking of ways to change the playoff system under the current structure of the playoffs. 

 

Under the scenario presented: Rutherford (3-7) which made the FHSAA playoffs, would have missed our playoffs.   

 

DISTRICT CHAMPIONS (8) Automatic berths

District 1-Walton (10-0)

District 2-Raines (9-1) 

District 3-Santa Fe (6-3)    

District 4-Dunnellon (10-0) 

District 5-Cocoa (8-2) 

District 6-Avon Park (9-1) 

District 7-Glaes Central (8-2)   

District 8-Booker T Washington (5-5)  

 

RUNNERUPS  (Nothing guaranteed)

District 1: Rutherford (3-7) OUT

District 2: Bolles (8-2) IN 

District 3: Bradford (7-3) IN

District 4: South Sumter (8-2) IN 

District 5: Astronaut (6-4) 

District 6: Bishop Verot (8-2) IN

District 7: University School (7-3) IN 

District 8: Gulliver Prep (5-5)  

 

BUBBLE TEAMS

NORTH

Keystone Heights (7-3)

West Nassau (7-3)

Villages (6-4)

PK Yonge (5-5)

 

SOUTH

Lake Highland Prep (6-4)

Clewiston (6-4) 

Tenoroc (6-4)

LaBelle (5-5) 

 

 

SCENARIO 

--Divide bracket into North/South

--4 district champs in North and South make playoffs

--4 wild cards in North, 4 wild cards in South

--Seed all 8 teams in North/South   

--District champs host first round

--Highest seed host 

 

NORTH 

No. 6 South Sumter (8-2) at No. 3 Raines (9-1)

No. 7 West Nassau/Bradford/Keystone at No. 2 Walton (10-0)  

No. 8 West Nassau/Bradford/Keystone at No. 1 Dunnellon (10-0) 

No. 5 Bolles (8-2) at No. 4 Santa Fe (6-3)

 

SOUTH  

No. 8 Astronaut/Lake Highland Prep/Clewiston/Tenoroc at No. 1 Cocoa (8-2)

No. 5 Bishop Verot (8-2) at No. 4  Glades Central (8-2)   

No. 6 University School (7-3) at No. 3  Avon Park (9-1)  

No. 7 Astronaut/Lake Highland Prep/ Clewiston/Tenoroc at No. 2  Booker T (5-5)  

 

I will break the ties later, when i have a chance to calculate their opponents wins/losses    

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Class 5A Playoff Scenarios 

 

About the halfway point of the season, we realized something had to be done to make sure 1-9 and 2-8 teams would not make the playoffs. We started thinking of ways to change the playoff system under the current structure of the playoffs. 

 

Under the scenario presented: Eastside (1-9), Jefferson (4-6), South Lake (3-6) and Westwood (4-5) which all made the FHSAA playoffs, would have missed our playoffs.   

 

DISTRICT CHAMPIONS (8) Automatic berths

District 1-Bay (8-2)

District 2-Wakulla (9-1) 

District 3-Suwannee (7-2)  

District 4-Ponte Vedra (8-2)

District 5-Clay (7-3) 

District 6-North Marion (9-1)

District 7-Nature Coast (10-0) 

District 8-River Ridge (9-1)

District 9-Gibbs (6-4)

District 10-Jesuit (10-0) 

District 11-Lemon Bay (8-2)

District 12-Dunbar (7-2)

District 13-Bishop Moore (9-1)

District 14-Merritt Island (7-3)

District 15-Suncoast (5-5)

District 16-American Heritage (8-1) 

 

RUNNERUPS  (Nothing guaranteed)

District 1: West Florida (6-4) IN

District 2: Rickards (7-2)  IN

District 3: Ribault (6-4) IN

District 4: Bishop Kenny (6-4) IN

District 5: Menendez (5-5) IN

District 6: Eastside (1-9) OUT

District 7: Lecanto (7-3) IN

District 8: Zephyrhills (8-2) IN

District 9: Lakewood (6-4)  IN

District 10: Jefferson (4-6) OUT

District 11: Southeast (5-5) IN

District 12: Immokalee (5-5) IN

District 13: South Lake (3-6) OUT

District 14: Palm Bay (8-2) IN

District 15: Westwood (4-5) OUT

District 16: Hallandale (8-2)  IN

 

BUBBLE TEAMS

Arnold (5-5)

Yulee (6-4)

Crystal River (5-5)

Hudson (5-5)

Fivay (5-5)

Ridgewood (5-5)  

Robinson (5-5)

Space Coast (5-4)

Coconut Creek (6-4)

 

SCENARIO 

--Divide bracket into North/South

--8 district champs in North and South make playoffs

--8 wild cards in North, 8 wild cards in South

--Seed all 8 teams in North/South   

--District champs host first round

--Highest seed will host 

 

NORTH I

No. 6 Rickards (7-2) at No. 3 Ponte Vedra (8-2)

No. 7 Bishop Kenny (6-4) at No. 2 Bay (8-2)

No. 8 West Florida (6-4) at No. 1 Wakulla (9-1)

No. 5 Ribault (6-4) at No. 4 Suwannee (7-2)

 

NORTH II

No. 6 Lecanto (7-3) at No. 3 River Ridge (9-1)

No. 7 Crystal River/Menendez/Hudson/Fivay/Ridgewood at No. 2 North Marion (9-1)

No. 8 Crystal River/Menendez/Hudson/Fivay/Ridgewood at No. 1 Nature Coast (10-0) 

No. 5 Zephyrhills (8-2) at No. 4 Clay (7-3)

 

SOUTH I

No. 6 Lakewood (6-4) at No. 3 Dunbar (7-2)

No. 7 Robinson (5-5) at No. 2 Lemon Bay (8-2) 

No. 8 Immokalee (5-5) at No. 1 Jesuit (10-0) 

No. 5 Southeast (5-5) at No. 4 Gibbs (6-4)

 

SOUTH II


No. 6 Hallandale (8-2) at No. 3 Merritt Island (7-3)

No. 7 Coconut Creek (6-4) at No. 2 American Heritage (8-1)

No. 8 Space Coast (5-4) at No. 1 Bishop Moore (9-1)

No. 5 Palm Bay (8-2) at No. 4 Suncoast (5-5) 

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Cory - I agree for the most part.  I think a lot of great ideas have been expressed on the board and what your proposing here reflects what has been said by most.  Losing teams shouldn't get in the playoffs just because they are district runner-up.  Districts need more than 3 teams, and/or for 4 wildcard spots in the playoffs.  Playoff Brackets should be seeded from 1-8, not district vs district.  

 

My question is, how can we get these ideals in front of the FHSAA committee that will be making the decision?  

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Cory - I agree for the most part.  I think a lot of great ideas have been expressed on the board and what your proposing here reflects what has been said by most.  Losing teams should get in the playoffs just because they are district runner-up.  Districts need more than 3 teams, and/or for 4 wildcard spots in the playoffs.  Playoff Brackets should be seeded from 1-8, not district vs district.  

 

My question is, how can we get these ideals in front of the FHSAA committee that will be making the decision?  

 

I have been talking to one of the main proponents of potential changes. I will be pointing to him some of this stuff.

 

A district runner-up should not be guaranteed a spot anymore unless they meet the qualifications. 

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I have been talking to one of the main proponents of potential changes. I will be pointing to him some of this stuff.

 

A district runner-up should not be guaranteed a spot anymore unless they meet the qualifications. 

And what would those qualifications be Josh? Winning 5 or 6 games? or is this another point system?   I do agree with what Cory wrote but i have to admit that i am 1A and nothing else matters to me.   

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Class 6A Playoff Scenarios  

 

About the halfway point of the season, we realized something had to be done to make sure 1-9 and 2-8 teams would not make the playoffs. We started thinking of ways to change the playoff system under the current structure of the playoffs. 

 

Under the scenario presented many teams like Northview (2-8) and Eastside (1-9) which made the FHSAA playoffs, would have missed our playoffs.      

 

DISTRICT CHAMPIONS (8) Automatic berths

District 1-Pine Forest (7-3) 

District 2-Navarre (10-0)

District 3-Niceville (9-1)

District 4-Nease (7-3)

District 5-Vanguard (8-2)

District 6-Mitchell (9-1)

District 7-Armwood (10-0)

District 8-Lake Gibson (7-3)

District 9-Clearwater (8-2)

District 10-Charlotte (10-0)

District 11-Fort Myers (8-2)

District 12-Naples (9-1)

District 13-Mainland (9-1)

District 14-Heritage (8-2)

District 15-Boyd Anderson (9-1)

District 16-Carol City (8-2)

 

RUNNERUPS  (Nothing guaranteed)

District 1: Tate (7-2) 

District 2: Milton (6-4) 

District 3: Choctaw (6-4)

District 4: St. Augustine (9-1) 

District 5: Gainesville (6-4)

District 6: Sunlake (8-2)

District 7: Brandon (8-2)

District 8: Sebring (8-1)

District 9: Osceola (7-3)

District 10: Port Charlotte (6-4)

District 11: Estero (4-6)

District 12: Palmetto Ridge (8-2)

District 13: Deltona (6-3)

District 14: Sebastian River (6-3)

District 15: Dillard (6-4)

District 16: Central (6-2)

 

BUBBLE TEAMS

 

NORTH

Escambia (6-4)

Crestview (5-5)

Englewood (5-5)

Ocala Forest (7-3)

Lake Weir (5-5)

 

SOUTH

Largo (6-4)

North Ft Myers (5-5)

Barron Collier (6-4)

Matanzas (8-2)

New Smyrna Beach (5-5)

Eau Gallie (5-5)

Northwestern (5-5)

 

SCENARIO 

--Divide bracket into North/South

--8 district champs in North and South make playoffs

--8 wild cards in North, 4 wild cards in South

--Seed all 8 teams in North/South   

--Highest seeded teams host

 

NORTH I

No. 6 St. Augustine (9-1) at No. 3 Pine Forest (7-3)

No. 7 Milton/Choctaw/Escambia at No. 2 Niceville (9-1)

No. 8 Milton/Choctaw/Escambia at No. 1 Navarre (10-0) 

No. 5 Tate (7-2) at No. 4 Nease (7-3)

 

*Will break ties when I'm done posting all 8 classes

 

NORTH II


No. 6 Brandon (8-2) at No. 3 Vanguard (8-2)

No. 7 Sunlake (8-2) at No. 2 Mitchell (9-1) 

No. 8 Gainesville (6-4) at No. 1 Armwood (10-0)  

No. 5 Sebring (8-1) at No. 4 Lake Gibson (7-3) 

 

* Gainesville (6-4) gets in over Ocala Forest (7-3) due to head-to-head tiebreaker  

* Brandon has tougher schedule than Sunlake 

 

SOUTH  I


No. 8 Port Charlotte/Largo/Barron Collier at No. 1 Naples (9-1)

No. 5 Palmetto Ridge (8-2) at No. 4 Clearwater (8-2)  

No. 6 Osceola (7-3) at No. 3 Fort Myers (8-2) 

No. 7 Port Charlotte/Largo/Barron Collier at No. 2 Charlotte (10-0)

 

Naples played tougher schedule and would be seeded No. 1  

Tie will be broken later

 

SOUTH  II


No. 8 Sebastian River (6-3) at No. 1 Mainland (9-1)

No. 5 Central (6-2) at No. 4 Boyd Anderson (9-1)  

No. 6 Matanzas (8-2) at No. 3  Carol City (8-2) 

No. 7 Deltona (6-3) at No. 2 Heritage (8-2)

 

 

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And what would those qualifications be Josh? Winning 5 or 6 games? or is this another point system?   I do agree with what Cory wrote but i have to admit that i am 1A and nothing else matters to me.   

If a team that doesn't make the playoffs can't qualify for a bowl game unless they are .500 or better, shouldn't a playoff team be .500 or better as well? Come on now Tigerfan1! Let's be realistic.

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Class 7A Playoff Scenarios  

 

About the halfway point of the season, we realized something had to be done to make sure 1-9 and 2-8 teams would not make the playoffs. We started thinking of ways to change the playoff system under the current structure of the playoffs. 

 

Under the scenario presented many teams like Northview (2-8) and Eastside (1-9) which made the FHSAA playoffs, would have missed our playoffs.      

 

DISTRICT CHAMPIONS (8) Automatic berths

District 1-Lincoln (4-6)

District 2-Columbia (9-1)

District 3-Buchholz (9-1)

District 4-Hagerty (8-2)

District 5-St. Cloud (7-2) 

District 6-Viera (6-4)

District 7-Lakeland (7-2)

District 8-Plant (8-2) 

District 9-Plant City (9-1)

District 10-Countryside (9-1) 

District 11-Braden River (10-0) 

District 12-South Ft Myers (8-2)

District 13-Dwyer (9-1) 

District 14-STA (8-1) 

District 15-West Broward (7-3)

District 16-Miami Sunset (9-1) 

 

RUNNERUPS  (Nothing guaranteed)

District 1: Chiles (6-4) 

District 2: Lee (7-3) 

District 3: Bartram Trail (7-3) 

District 4: Edgewater (7-3) 

District 5: Harmony (9-1) 

District 6: Martin County (7-3)  

District 7: Kathleen (9-1)

District 8: Sickles (8-2) 

District 9: Tampa Bay Tech (6-4)

District 10: East Lake (6-4)

District 11: Venice (9-1) 

District 12: Gulf Coast (7-3)  

District 13: Royal Palm Beach (5-5)  

District 14: Ely (2-8) 

District 15: Nova (5-5)

District 16: Mater Academy (9-1) 

 

BUBBLE TEAMS

 

NORTH

Atlantic Coast (6-4)

Fletcher (5-5)

Oakleaf (8-2)

Fleming Island (6-4)

Ocoee (5-4)

East Ridge (6-4)

Celebration (7-3)

South Fork (7-3)

Winter Haven (7-3)

Bartow (5-5)

Wharton (8-2) 

 

SOUTH

Durant (6-3)

East Bay (6-4)

Lennard (6-4)

St. Pete (6-4)

Pinellas Park (8-2) 

Palmetto (6-4)

Forest Hill (6-4)

West Boca (5-5)

McArthur (7-3) 

Reagan (7-3)

Miami Springs (6-4) 

 

SCENARIO 

--Divide bracket into North/South

--8 district champs in North and South make playoffs

--8 wild cards in North, 4 wild cards in South

--Seed all 8 teams in North/South   

--Highest seeded teams host

 

NORTH I

No. 6 Bartram Trail (7-3) at No. 3 Hagerty (8-2)

No. 7 Lee (7-3) at No. 2 Buchholz (9-1) 

No. 8 Edgewater (7-3)  No. 1 Columbia (9-1) 

No. 5 Oakleaf (8-2) at No. 4 Lincoln (4-6) 

 

NORTH II


No. 6 Kathleen (9-1) at No. 3 St. Cloud (7-2)   

No. 7 Sickles (8-2) at No. 2 Lakeland (7-2)  

No. 8 Wharton (8-2) at No. 1 Plant (8-2)  

No. 5 Harmony (9-1) at No. 4 Viera (6-4)  

 

SOUTH  I


No. 8 Gulf Coast (7-3) at No. 1 Braden River (10-0)

No. 5 Venice (9-1 at No. 4 South Ft Myers (8-2)   

No. 6 Pinellas Park (8-2) at No. 3 Plant City (9-1) 

No. 7 Tampa Bay Tech (6-4) at No. 2 Countryside (9-1)

 

SOUTH  II


No. 8 Miami Springs (6-4) at No. 1 Aquinas (8-1)

No. 5 Mater Academy (9-1) at No. 4 West Broward (7-3)   

No. 6 Reagan (7-3) at No. 3 Suncoast (9-1) 

No. 7 McArthur (7-3) at No. 2 Dwyer (9-1)

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No 1-9, 2-8, or 3-7 team should make the playoffs. PERIOD! Those teams should be replaced by a wild card type team with a winning record or heck even a .500 record.

LikeI said on another thread. In three team districts only the champion should advance tovthe playoffs.

Agree for the most part.  Only the winner of a 3 team District should make post-season.. Even though I feel a 2-8 team like the 2015 Ely team could have been capable of a 7-3 type record in many 7A Districts throughout the state, it makes no sense of them to play in a 3 team District which includes STA.  Ely should try to get in District 15 with West Broward and McArthur.  They may have won that District 15 this year.  Ely's best interest would be to join a 7A District with a few more teams.  If anybody is in a 3 team 7A District with STA , your season is automatically over after you lose to them based on a Winner Only sees post-season approach for 3 team Districts....  If the Runner Up (nothing guaranteed) approach were in effect, the second place team may as well just schedule cupcakes the rest of the year and end on a 8-2 type record...It would be nice to see a fix to the STA 3 team District but I don't want to wander off topic here. 

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I hate the idea that wins out of district matter. I know, we hate the Eastsides of the world making it. I do too, but giving teams with a "good record" isn't the answer either. All you are rewarding is playing a cupcake schedule. And as I have pointed out on another thread, playing a "hard" schedule should not automatically allow you to get to the playoffs either (Creekside for example in the simulation that I ran).

 

Again, I keep asking but how is the system currently broken? Pardon my ignorance, but how many teams got a spot that you would suggest they didn't deserve? 3 maybe 4 teams per class from what I can tell. So out 192 teams maybe 12-15 undeserving teams got in. By undeserving, I mean a team with a losing record, not a runner-up team that was 6-4 but there was an 8-2 in the same region.

The beauty of the current system is that you control your own destiny. A team has certain games it has to win and if they win those games they move on. 3 team districts are caused by several factors, including too many classifications. Let's start with eliminating that first. Let's not allow teams to move from one district to another or one classification to another to move into the easier classification. Take a 4 year average rather than a 1 year snapshot. numbers fluctuating by even 50 here and there can cause a team to move up or down despite it being a one year abnormal occurrence.

If you just took 5A-8A, added up the teams and divided by 3 instead of 4. You get 112 teams per classification, which means an average of 7 teams per district. 

Don't touch 1A, but expand the population of 2A to 500 students that adds 10 teams (from 3A) and makes the classification 44 teams divided by 8 districts, average of 5.5 teams per district.
Make the remaining 3A teams join with 4A, making a class of 58 teams, divided by 8 districts get you 7 teams per district.

 

Additionally, this trims the state championships down to 6 games. All 6 of them could be played in one weekend, 3 games on Friday and Saturday.

1A (1-600ish) 40 schools

2A (1-500) 44 schools

new 3A (501-1,114) 58 schools

new 4A-6A (112 each)

 

How is that not an easier solution that still remains objective, fair, easily understood, allows teams to control their own destiny, and not penalize a team for losing tough out of district games or reward teams for playing cupcake schedules?

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If a team that doesn't make the playoffs can't qualify for a bowl game unless they are .500 or better, shouldn't a playoff team be .500 or better as well? Come on now Tigerfan1! Let's be realistic.

I wasn't trying to be a smart ass LOL sorry it came off that way. I think .500 or better would be a good idea unless the team played a very difficult schedule like Jefferson county did in 2011.  

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Playing Cupcakes vs Playing a tough schedule:

 

We all of course have to play the mandatory district games, and I believe we all agree that district champs automatically get in.  Geography plays a lot into district assignments. This is why we sometimes have 3 team districts.  But outside of district play, most schools' non-district schedules are against another area school or rivalry games.  You play who you play because you play them every year.  So the schedule wasn't a cupcake schedule by design, your cross-town, cross-county opponent just happens to suck.  Which gets back to how the wildcard system worked before: Champs got in,  then the remaining teams got in based off w/l record but points were used to break a tie.

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HWY17,

 

You are still rewarding an 8-2 team that plays cupcakes vs the 6-4 that plays a tough schedule. At no point in the simulation run for 1-7A did a team with a lower winning record get in unless they had faced the team in a head to head match-up.

As a coach, you want your team to be in competitive games. If I am a weak team that is still in the building process, I want to play other rebuilding teams. If my rebuilding goes quicker than I expected and I end up 8-2 is that better than the team that played a tough schedule ended up 6-4. I don't know, but to base playoff decisions off what teams were willing to face another team seams silly.

 

Shrink the classes down to 6.

Don't tough 1A.

Hard cap of 500 for 2A.

3A 500-1100

new 4A-6A.

 

I like the idea of some seeding in the regional level, if only to allow district runner-ups and district champions to play for regional championship. Those who propose just doing North and South and then seeding, you are suggesting panhandle teams having to travel to tampa or even as far Sebring for a first round playoff game (or vice versa). I would guess that have neighboring districts play each other in the first two rounds not only saves money but encourages more people to travel to the games because of the closeness.

 

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After we have done 1A-6A for two years, allow for population increases based on wins and loses in the playoffs. If your team qualifies for the playoffs, then the FHSAA adds 50 to your population, each round another 50 is added. So a team that plays for the state championship we add 250 to their average population and if your play for the state championship twice then we add 500 to your population. 500 would be the most that we add to any school's population. 

For every consecutive year that you fail to make the playoffs, we minus an additional 50 from your population. So a school that averages 1800 students that fails to make the playoffs for 8 straight years, we minus (8 x 50) or 400 from your population so their population would be 1400 instead of 1800, which allows them to play in a more competitive classification and district. If you make the playoffs, then the number starts all over again and you reset at your original average. 

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gatorman:

 

While we can't think of every possible situation, like Cory pointed out above, typically we're only talking about teams on the bubble anyhow.  And why should the 8-2 team be punished for playing that rival that they play every year and they just happen to go 0-10 this year?  Sometimes schedules aren't designed to be weak, it just turns out that way.  Example: Fort Meade plays Frostproof every year and often times its a tough game for the district, but this year Frostproof was down.  Should Fort Meade, who went 8-1 not be in the playoffs because Frostproof was down this year?  Fort Meade didn't schedule a "cupcake" to have an easy schedule, they played someone they have played every year for 50+ years. 

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HWY17,

 

That is my point, I don't want to reward OR punish teams for their out of district games. Your out of district games are designed to meet numerous needs: gate, rivalries, travel, level of competition, etc. Not every team schedules those games for the same reason and as a result teams end up unbalanced schedules in terms of difficulty. There is nothing wrong with that, but that is something teams have little control over. But if your rival is a state caliber team than why continue to play that game if a loss is going to push you out of the playoffs. Bad teams happen, good teams happen, but rewarding teams for something they can't control seems silly. 

 

I would continue to suggest that shrinking the # of classes is an easier and more consistent solution than having a committee of some sort decide if a runner-up team earns a spot.

 

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HWY17,

 

You are still rewarding an 8-2 team that plays cupcakes vs the 6-4 that plays a tough schedule. At no point in the simulation run for 1-7A did a team with a lower winning record get in unless they had faced the team in a head to head match-up.

As a coach, you want your team to be in competitive games. If I am a weak team that is still in the building process, I want to play other rebuilding teams. If my rebuilding goes quicker than I expected and I end up 8-2 is that better than the team that played a tough schedule ended up 6-4. I don't know, but to base playoff decisions off what teams were willing to face another team seams silly.

 

Shrink the classes down to 6.

Don't tough 1A.

Hard cap of 500 for 2A.

3A 500-1100

new 4A-6A.

 

I like the idea of some seeding in the regional level, if only to allow district runner-ups and district champions to play for regional championship. Those who propose just doing North and South and then seeding, you are suggesting panhandle teams having to travel to tampa or even as far Sebring for a first round playoff game (or vice versa). I would guess that have neighboring districts play each other in the first two rounds not only saves money but encourages more people to travel to the games because of the closeness.

 

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After we have done 1A-6A for two years, allow for population increases based on wins and loses in the playoffs. If your team qualifies for the playoffs, then the FHSAA adds 50 to your population, each round another 50 is added. So a team that plays for the state championship we add 250 to their average population and if your play for the state championship twice then we add 500 to your population. 500 would be the most that we add to any school's population. 

 

For every consecutive year that you fail to make the playoffs, we minus an additional 50 from your population. So a school that averages 1800 students that fails to make the playoffs for 8 straight years, we minus (8 x 50) or 400 from your population so their population would be 1400 instead of 1800, which allows them to play in a more competitive classification and district. If you make the playoffs, then the number starts all over again and you reset at your original average. 

 

Gatorman....500 is too high for 2A as a cap.

 

That is why schools like St. Francis and Oak Hall bolted when they got set into 3A a few years back because the cut line was like 230 something and they were over that and they were placed in the same district with Trinity Catholic which is MORE THAN DOUBLE their enrollment. Enrollment gaps are a serious issue in the lower classes because a difference of even 100 kids can be the difference of winning or sitting at home for some of these schools. I am more open to saying they should cap at 400. You cap at 500 then you solve nothing because then schools like Jacksonville Trinity Christian (who is under 500 in enrollment) end up being with these schools and then you are going to have the scenario AGAIN...schools bolting for independent status and basically no teams left for a class. 

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HWY17,

 

That is my point, I don't want to reward OR punish teams for their out of district games. Your out of district games are designed to meet numerous needs: gate, rivalries, travel, level of competition, etc. Not every team schedules those games for the same reason and as a result teams end up unbalanced schedules in terms of difficulty. There is nothing wrong with that, but that is something teams have little control over. But if your rival is a state caliber team than why continue to play that game if a loss is going to push you out of the playoffs. Bad teams happen, good teams happen, but rewarding teams for something they can't control seems silly. 

 

I would continue to suggest that shrinking the # of classes is an easier and more consistent solution than having a committee of some sort decide if a runner-up team earns a spot.

 

 

 

Gatorman -  Back in 2000 when there was 2 wildcard spots my team (Hardee) went 7-3 but was kept out of the playoffs by the point system because we were tied with Lake Gibson who was also 7-3.  We had lost an early season game  so we were 3rd place even though we had a better win/loss record than the team that was runner-up (Bayshore) in our district.  The other district sent 4 teams to the playoffs. Lake Gibson got the tie-breaker because they played a slightly tougher schedule.  I had no complaints with this system and still think its fair.  Fast forward to what Cory has proposed and apply to the same situation and maybe we would have gotten in instead of the runner-up?  Back then there were only 3 districts so the districts were larger and it allowed for 2 wildcards.  Cory's proposal would allow for 4 wildcards so I can't answer for sure how it would have played out.  But seeing what Cory has above, it looks like an improvement to me.

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If the point is to get the best teams, then I like the idea of only 3 districts per class (even if we kept 8 classes, it increases the size of the districts as well allows the runner-up to make the district), additionally now you allow for some flexibility. I would suggest the best district winning % should be used for the tie breaker rather than overall record. As for seeding, seeding would be done based on district records, but no team could play a fellow district team in round 1 and district champions are seeded 1-3, runner-up 4-6, and wildcards 7-8.

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Joshua,

I get what your saying about 500 and maybe 400 is more reasonable. I would also say that the fact that St. Francis and Oak Hall are not in 2A is ridiculous. But if you look at the independents there were 40 teams that played independent football this past year were under the 290 mark of 2A (another 3 were under 300). That is an entire class of schools that could play football against similar type small non-Trinity Christian teams that already are fleeing. Honestly, I don't think they are ever coming back. And why would they? They aren't the Trinity Christian's, Bolles, or STAs. For many they look at athletics differently than them. They can play 10 games without having to worry about ever playing "football" schools.

I go back to the idea that if you move a school like Trinity Christian up because of their success and move teams down because of their lack of success than things would balance out and people will feel competitive. Trinity's population is 468, with 250 for the 2014 state championship appearance, another 250 for the 2015 state championship appearance a school like Trinity would have a population of 968 which moves them up to 4A and most likely in a district with Bolles, Raines and potentially playing a school like Booker T Washington for the state championship.

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Joshua,

 

I get what your saying about 500 and maybe 400 is more reasonable. I would also say that the fact that St. Francis and Oak Hall are not in 2A is ridiculous. But if you look at the independents there were 40 teams that played independent football this past year were under the 290 mark of 2A (another 3 were under 300). That is an entire class of schools that could play football against similar type small non-Trinity Christian teams that already are fleeing. Honestly, I don't think they are ever coming back. And why would they? They aren't the Trinity Christian's, Bolles, or STAs. For many they look at athletics differently than them. They can play 10 games without having to worry about ever playing "football" schools.

 

I go back to the idea that if you move a school like Trinity Christian up because of their success and move teams down because of their lack of success than things would balance out and people will feel competitive. Trinity's population is 468, with 250 for the 2014 state championship appearance, another 250 for the 2015 state championship appearance a school like Trinity would have a population of 968 which moves them up to 4A and most likely in a district with Bolles, Raines and potentially playing a school like Booker T Washington for the state championship.

 

Gatorman,

 

You might like what I have been slowly working on to some degree once I get it all pieced together. Just taking a little longer to get it all laid out because I want to show a full presentation not just throw things out there and make one wonder.

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