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Now that the dust is starting to settle (so-to-speak) surrounding the FHSAA's new plan to level the playing field, let's talk about what teams have the potential to make statements in the fall.  What schools, cities or counties have the potential to improve and excel?  Which ones are in trouble?  Who remains unchanged?  Let's air it out here!  Now, districts haven't been released but we do have Metro/Suburb/Rural information so let's start there.  For those who have no idea who falls where, below are a couple of maps for reference points, LOL!

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County Map (click to expand) - Metro (Miami-Dade, Broward, Palm Beach, Hillsborough, Orange, Duval, Pinellas, Seminole)
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23 minutes ago, Nulli Secundus said:

Now that the dust is starting to settle (so-to-speak) surrounding the FHSAA's new plan to level the playing field, let's talk about what teams have the potential to make statements in the fall.  What schools, cities or counties have the potential to improve and excel?  Which ones are in trouble?  Who remains unchanged?  Let's air it out here!  Now, districts haven't been released but we do have Metro/Suburb/Rural information so let's start there.  For those who have no idea who falls where, below are a couple of maps for reference points, LOL!

Cities Map (click to expand)
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County Map (click to expand) - Metro (Miami-Dade, Broward, Palm Beach, Hillsborough, Orange, Duval, Pinellas, Seminole)
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Is this a joke?

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I know Pinellas County is going to really take it on the chin with this reclassification.  For various reasons, Pinellas County just cant compete with the other large metro areas.  Even Tampa HS teams regularly beat up on Pinellas teams.  There are a couple that can make a run like Lakewood HS or the private schools like CCC or Calvary but for the most part, low participation and too many schools in close proximity take a toll.  I still cant believe they identified the problem as a metro vs suburban issue when its the private schools in the metro areas that actually win most of the time.  Anyway, that horse is dead.  Look for a lot of Pinellas teams to give up and go independent once the new districts come out.

I kind of think my local school, PHU, will go the independent route if it gets grouped with a brutal district.  It only has 7 6 seniors next year and half the starters will be 10th graders.  Gotta start thinking about player safety. 

Edit: We actually have 6 seniors because I forgot our best player got cherry picked by another school :angry:

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So far I've identified 17 schools that will be in 2A suburban class in my part of the state. Most of these schools are on par with each other. Will be interesting if the districts make this the same region.  Those 17 are:

Lakeland Christian, Tenoroc, Discovery, Mulberry, Frostproof, Fort Meade, Avon Park, Lake Placid, Hardee, Desoto, Bradenton Bayshore, Sarasota Booker, Lemon Bay, Bishop Verot, Clewiston, LaBelle, Estero.

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1 hour ago, PinellasFB said:

I know Pinellas County is going to really take it on the chin with this reclassification.  For various reasons, Pinellas County just cant compete with the other large metro areas.  Even Tampa HS teams regularly beat up on Pinellas teams.  There are a couple that can make a run like Lakewood HS or the private schools like CCC or Calvary but for the most part, low participation and too many schools in close proximity take a toll.  I still cant believe they identified the problem as a metro vs suburban issue when its the private schools in the metro areas that actually win most of the time.  Anyway, that horse is dead.  Look for a lot of Pinellas teams to give up and go independent once the new districts come out.

I kind of think my local school, PHU, will go the independent route if it gets grouped with a brutal district.  It only has 7 6 seniors next year and half the starters will be 10th graders.  Gotta start thinking about player safety. 

Edit: We actually have 6 seniors because I forgot our best player got cherry picked by another school :angry:

I think Pinellas could go either way.  In the last 10 years, Hillsborough has been the largest stumbling block by far due to geographical proximity, naturally.  Also, keep in mind that in that same 10-year period, close to half of Pinellas county's defeat came at the hands of non-metro schools.  That barrier is now gone.  If there's no better time for Pinellas county to shine, this is it.

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23 minutes ago, Hwy17 said:

So far I've identified 17 schools that will be in 2A suburban class in my part of the state. Most of these schools are on par with each other. Will be interesting if the districts make this the same region.  Those 17 are:

Lakeland Christian, Tenoroc, Discovery, Mulberry, Frostproof, Fort Meade, Avon Park, Lake Placid, Hardee, Desoto, Bradenton Bayshore, Sarasota Booker, Lemon Bay, Bishop Verot, Clewiston, LaBelle, Estero.

If those numbers ultimately pan out, I could see those schools filling out 3-5 districts.

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2 hours ago, PinellasFB said:

I know Pinellas County is going to really take it on the chin with this reclassification.  For various reasons, Pinellas County just cant compete with the other large metro areas.  Even Tampa HS teams regularly beat up on Pinellas teams.  There are a couple that can make a run like Lakewood HS or the private schools like CCC or Calvary but for the most part, low participation and too many schools in close proximity take a toll.  I still cant believe they identified the problem as a metro vs suburban issue when its the private schools in the metro areas that actually win most of the time.  Anyway, that horse is dead.  Look for a lot of Pinellas teams to give up and go independent once the new districts come out.

I kind of think my local school, PHU, will go the independent route if it gets grouped with a brutal district.  It only has 7 6 seniors next year and half the starters will be 10th graders.  Gotta start thinking about player safety. 

Edit: We actually have 6 seniors because I forgot our best player got cherry picked by another school :angry:

Yeah, this might keep Pinellas County from winning a state championship.  :P

OK, low blows and cheap shots aside, where are all the PHU players going?  The same one or two schools?  I'll be interested to see if CCC comes up in this conversation.   That may be the only school in Pinellas that could benefit from the recent changes.  Lakewood likely will stay competitive, but the class consolidation will probably hurt them. 

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1 hour ago, Hwy17 said:

So far I've identified 17 schools that will be in 2A suburban class in my part of the state. Most of these schools are on par with each other. Will be interesting if the districts make this the same region.  Those 17 are:

Lakeland Christian, Tenoroc, Discovery, Mulberry, Frostproof, Fort Meade, Avon Park, Lake Placid, Hardee, Desoto, Bradenton Bayshore, Sarasota Booker, Lemon Bay, Bishop Verot, Clewiston, LaBelle, Estero.

Out of those schools I see Lakeland Christian, Hardee, Bishop Verot and Clewiston doing something out of that group

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5 hours ago, Hwy17 said:

So far I've identified 17 schools that will be in 2A suburban class in my part of the state. Most of these schools are on par with each other. Will be interesting if the districts make this the same region.  Those 17 are:

Lakeland Christian, Tenoroc, Discovery, Mulberry, Frostproof, Fort Meade, Avon Park, Lake Placid, Hardee, Desoto, Bradenton Bayshore, Sarasota Booker, Lemon Bay, Bishop Verot, Clewiston, LaBelle, Estero.

Shouldn't North Port and Island Coast also be included in this new classification?

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Looks like our coach has lined up a strong schedule with a nice balance of Metro and Suburban top tier teams outside of what our district will be.  He has left openings for up to 5 district opponents but will likely schedule another top tier team if we have a slot that will work.  Think the mindset is to challenge for a state championship again just like last year, the year before and the years before that.  You have to believe that is possible and work hard towards that goal.  Certain things we can't control and senseless to dwell on them rather than what you can do to be competitive with the best.  Win, lose or draw we will compete.  Smart fans respect that even when you aren't a state champion.   Just "Airing It Out" Nulli.

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7 hours ago, nolebull813 said:

The only changes with the new system is the teams that were losing in the 3rd and 4th round will now be “state” champs

State being in parentheses because you can’t call it that anymore. By definition they will be area championships. 

Smaller classification suburban schools should be ecstatic, as they are the ones getting blown out; so now they have a chance.   Last year Venice won 8A. destroying several Metro's in the process making the running away and hiding the ball a farce.  Secondly, Pine Forest took Tampa Jesuit to the wire who was probably considered the #1 overall rated team in the state in 6A, while Cocoa also lost in a tight battle against Cardinal Gibbons.  Lastly, the geniuses who think Seminole got screwed and should really be a Suburban (I have no opinion either way) seem to have lost their memory that they beat up on those Metro schools and won a championship in 2020.   Enough with the fake championship BS as any of these teams and others that happen to be now Suburban are truly deserving to be champions.  Not the bottom dwellers in the lower third of a up/down system who would be champions of a group of losers, but they would readily be okay with that. 

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4 hours ago, VeniceIndiansFootball said:

Shouldn't North Port and Island Coast also be included in this new classification?

North Port and Island Coast will be in 3A Suburban. Some other area schools in that same class include Braden River, Charlotte, Port Charlotte, Cypress LakeSebring, Lake Wales, Bartow.

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11 hours ago, Hwy17 said:

So far I've identified 17 schools that will be in 2A suburban class in my part of the state. Most of these schools are on par with each other. Will be interesting if the districts make this the same region.  Those 17 are:

Lakeland Christian, Tenoroc, Discovery, Mulberry, Frostproof, Fort Meade, Avon Park, Lake Placid, Hardee, Desoto, Bradenton Bayshore, Sarasota Booker, Lemon Bay, Bishop Verot, Clewiston, LaBelle, Estero.

 

10 hours ago, Nulli Secundus said:

If those numbers ultimately pan out, I could see those schools filling out 3-5 districts.

@Nulli Secundus 

Under the new classification plan, Suburban Class 2A is any school with an enrollment of 601-1442 that's NOT located in any of Florida's eight most densely populated counties.

The enrollment of the 17 schools mentioned by Hwy17 are:

• Avon Park, Enrollment: 902
• Bayshore, Enrollment: 1389
• Bishop Verot, Enrollment: 748
• Booker, Enrollment: 1293
• Clewiston, Enrollment: 963
• DeSoto, Enrollment: 1242
• Discovery, Enrollment: 881
• Estero, Enrollment: 1359
• Fort Meade, Enrollment: 781
• Frostproof, Enrollment: 1119
• Hardee, Enrollment: 1385
• LaBelle, Enrollment: 1368
• Lakeland Christian, Enrollment: 651
• Lake Placid, Enrollment: 827
• Lemon Bay, Enrollment: 1233
• Mulberry, Enrollment: 1215
• Tenoroc, Enrollment: 1073

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6 hours ago, VeniceIndiansFootball said:

Shouldn't North Port and Island Coast also be included in this new classification?

 

1 hour ago, Hwy17 said:

North Port and Island Coast will be in 3A Suburban. Some other area schools in that same class include Braden River, Charlotte, Port Charlotte, Cypress LakeSebring, Lake Wales, Bartow.

@VeniceIndiansFootball North Port will be in Suburban Class 4A and Island Coast will be in Suburban Class 3A.

Also @Hwy17, Bartow and Charlotte will both be in Suburban Class 4A, not Suburban Class 3A.

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6 hours ago, The Heartland Archives said:

 

@VeniceIndiansFootball North Port will be in Suburban Class 4A and Island Coast will be in Suburban Class 3A.

Also @Hwy17, Bartow and Charlotte will both be in Suburban Class 4A, not Suburban Class 3A.

Ok, thank you for letting me know. @The Heartland Archives 

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On 3/4/2022 at 3:22 PM, Perspective said:

Yeah, this might keep Pinellas County from winning a state championship.  :P

OK, low blows and cheap shots aside, where are all the PHU players going?  The same one or two schools?  I'll be interested to see if CCC comes up in this conversation.   That may be the only school in Pinellas that could benefit from the recent changes.  Lakewood likely will stay competitive, but the class consolidation will probably hurt them. 

Typically our best players can get picked off by nearby East Lake which is a pretty good program.  To be fair, PHU gets a couple of players from ELHS too but those are usually kids looking for more playing time and not their best players like they pick from PHU.  The private schools all get the best players out of our zone but typically they recruit them directly out of the youth leagues so they never reach the public schools.  

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