Comparison of 6 teams in 3S

[Perspective]

1 hour ago, nolebull813 said:

Calm down fact checker. And let me repeat it again. 
 

STA vs BUCHHOLZ IS NOT COMPETITIVE BECAUSE FOOTBALL IS BETTER IN FT LAUDERDALE THAN GAINESVILLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nole, if you can pull away from your squabble with ColumbiaFan for just a few minutes, I'd like to ask you a question:  What do you mean when you way "football is better" in one place versus another?  

Are the players better?  Are the coaches better?  Are the offensive and defensive schemes more sophisticated? 

Or is this all just a product of population?  Is football better in South Florida because there's three million (or whatever the number is) kids all within a specific geographic area and, therefore, the number of kids in the top 1% of kids playing football is going to be so much higher than the top 1% of kids playing football in, say, Alachua County?  Or is the talent disproportionate? 

Let's say, for example, that for every 10,000 high school football players, on average you get two 5-stars, five 4-stars, twenty 3-stars and a hundred 2- and 1-star players.  If County A has 10,000 players and County D has 50,000 players, you would expect there to be five times as many 5-star players, five times as many 4-star players, etc.  If the kids are sparead out somewhat evenly within the schools located in each county, the teams would be relatively equal in terms of top-tier talent.  However, if within a particular county (say Dade) there is a disproportionate distribution of talent, and a disproportionate number of top-tier players go to a small handful of schools (say, Miami Central, Northwestern and Booker T., just to pick three at random), won't those schools have a decided advantage over all other schools? 

It seems to me that it is the concentration of talent at a handful of schools that makes the "football better."  The folks down in South Florida got a jump on school choice; as a result, the concentration of talent within a small number of schools will inevitably make those schools better.  Is that what you mean by "footballs better" in South Florida than other parts of the state? 

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5 minutes ago, nolebull813 said:

Columbia Fan said something about games like AHP/Baker County, STA vs Buchholz and Miami Central vs Lake Minneola. 
 

Then “Factchecker” on the other site argued that exact same point with the exact same teams. 
 

This wasn’t one person copy and pasting an argument from another random person on a different site. 
 

this was the same person with 2 accounts who couldn’t help but post the same exact way 

Lol so having a competent argument? Okay if that's proof for you then cool 

 

And as for this 

8 minutes ago, nolebull813 said:

You are fact checker and have been busted. It’s better to just laugh and admit it and say you were just screwing with us than to double down and prove to be a pathological liar 

You mean like 95% of that board? Considering those clowns have to lie to keep up with me in a debate 

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I can use practically any account on that prep Gridiron board and I'm still better than the majority of those clowns who have a simple one track mind and can't see a reality if it hit them in the face 

[nolebull813]

12 minutes ago, Perspective said:

Nole, if you can pull away from your squabble with ColumbiaFan for just a few minutes, I'd like to ask you a question:  What do you mean when you way "football is better" in one place versus another?  

Are the players better?  Are the coaches better?  Are the offensive and defensive schemes more sophisticated? 

Or is this all just a product of population?  Is football better in South Florida because there's three million (or whatever the number is) kids all within a specific geographic area and, therefore, the number of kids in the top 1% of kids playing football is going to be so much higher than the top 1% of kids playing football in, say, Alachua County?  Or is the talent disproportionate? 

Let's say, for example, that for every 10,000 high school football players, on average you get two 5-stars, five 4-stars, twenty 3-stars and a hundred 2- and 1-star players.  If County A has 10,000 players and County D has 50,000 players, you would expect there to be five times as many 5-star players, five times as many 4-star players, etc.  If the kids are sparead out somewhat evenly within the schools located in each county, the teams would be relatively equal in terms of top-tier talent.  However, if within a particular county (say Dade) there is a disproportionate distribution of talent, and a disproportionate number of top-tier players go to a small handful of schools (say, Miami Central, Northwestern and Booker T., just to pick three at random), won't those schools have a decided advantage over all other schools? 

It seems to me that it is the concentration of talent at a handful of schools that makes the "football better."  The folks down in South Florida got a jump on school choice; as a result, the concentration of talent within a small number of schools will inevitably make those schools better.  Is that what you mean by "footballs better" in South Florida than other parts of the state? 

Population is flawed because the only number that matters in terms of population is high school football aged boys. And just the white and black kids at that. College football is made up of 94 percent of black and white males. 
 

I know other races play but the number is so minuscule that it wouldnt move the scale in either direction. 
 

And South Florida has more individual talent overall than hell anywhere else in the country, not just the state. It’s not because it’s a big city. If that was the case New York City would be a fertile recruiting ground and it’s not. 
 

New York has similar population as a state but they are horrible in HSFB. Illinois, New York and Michigan have more high school football teams than Florida but Florida would beat the dog crap out of those states in any metric. 
 

The individual talent is 2nd to none in South Florida and by default will create really good football teams 

[DisabledAccount]

https://www.prepgridiron.com/topic/26296-florida-fans-yall-dont-claim-img-but-claim-sta/

 

 

Perfect proof of this crap

 

STA competes in the playoffs and operates as a normal school, they aren't recruiting kids from across the country and they aren't boarding kids just to get athletes in the doors 

 

But that ass clown wouldn't know the difference and I've exposed his lies countless times and he disappears and starts a new thread to continue lying

 

It's the same bullshit on that crap ass board, a bunch of wannabes who think because they work as some middle school 7v7 coach at a backwards hick school in a county like lowndes that they know football, that punk ass can't lace my boots in a debate and can't go a single thread without resorting to lies 

 

IMG is also an independent who doesn't compete in the FHSAA playoffs, that alone makes them different than STA but that bozo had nothing to say when it was pointed out with the outgoing transfers leaving STA but couldn't even get the incoming transfers correctly for any team he made a specific thread for 

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1 minute ago, nolebull813 said:

Population is flawed because the only number that matters in terms of population is high school football aged boys. And just the white and black kids at that. College football is made up of 94 percent of black and white males. 
 

I know other races play but the number is so minuscule that it would move the scale in either direction. 
 

And South Florida has more individual talent overall than hell anywhere else in the country, not just the state. It’s not because it’s a big city. If that was the case New York City would be a fertile recruiting ground and it’s not. 
 

New York has similar population as a state but they are horrible in HSFB. Illinois, New York and Michigan have more high school football teams than Florida but Florida would beat the dog crap out of those states in any metric. 
 

The individual talent is 2nd to none in South Florida and by default will create really good football teams 

And that number is still a wide gap between any rural area I mentioned

[DisabledAccount]

Only a complete baboon idiot would possibly think IMG and STA are the same 

 

Who makes stupid statements like that? An idiot clearly 

[nolebull813]

18 minutes ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

And that number is still a wide gap between any rural area I mentioned

Too funny. Population of a school is old and outdated but the population of a cities old people, women and babies is progressive and important? LMAO!!

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3 minutes ago, nolebull813 said:

Too funny. Population of a school is old and outdated but the population of a cities old people, women and babies is progressive and important? LMAO!!

If you have data for high school age students then post it

 

Hell let the FHSAA use those numbers to create classifications, I would be perfectly fine with using high school age population in a county to create the classifications

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But it should be used as the county numbers not the school numbers because under the current rules the top schools can pull from an entire county not just their small school zone like in the 80s and 90s

[DisabledAccount]

5 minutes ago, nolebull813 said:

Too funny. Population of a school is old and outdated but the population of a cities old people, women and babies is progressive and important? LMAO!!

Also by that logic should girls sports have their own count for those sports classification purposes?

 

I know that idea was floated around a while back for classifications 

[Perspective]

33 minutes ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

If you have data for high school age students then post it

 

Hell let the FHSAA use those numbers to create classifications, I would be perfectly fine with using high school age population in a county to create the classifications

Just know now that Polk would prefer to use high school age population density, unless that somehow puts them in the same boat with the South Florida powers.  

[nolebull813]

42 minutes ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

Also by that logic should girls sports have their own count for those sports classification purposes?

 

I know that idea was floated around a while back for classifications 

Of course! 

[skyway]

5 hours ago, Perspective said:

Nole, if you can pull away from your squabble with ColumbiaFan for just a few minutes, I'd like to ask you a question:  What do you mean when you way "football is better" in one place versus another?  

Are the players better?  Are the coaches better?  Are the offensive and defensive schemes more sophisticated? 

Or is this all just a product of population?  Is football better in South Florida because there's three million (or whatever the number is) kids all within a specific geographic area and, therefore, the number of kids in the top 1% of kids playing football is going to be so much higher than the top 1% of kids playing football in, say, Alachua County?  Or is the talent disproportionate? 

Let's say, for example, that for every 10,000 high school football players, on average you get two 5-stars, five 4-stars, twenty 3-stars and a hundred 2- and 1-star players.  If County A has 10,000 players and County D has 50,000 players, you would expect there to be five times as many 5-star players, five times as many 4-star players, etc.  If the kids are sparead out somewhat evenly within the schools located in each county, the teams would be relatively equal in terms of top-tier talent.  However, if within a particular county (say Dade) there is a disproportionate distribution of talent, and a disproportionate number of top-tier players go to a small handful of schools (say, Miami Central, Northwestern and Booker T., just to pick three at random), won't those schools have a decided advantage over all other schools? 

It seems to me that it is the concentration of talent at a handful of schools that makes the "football better."  The folks down in South Florida got a jump on school choice; as a result, the concentration of talent within a small number of schools will inevitably make those schools better.  Is that what you mean by "footballs better" in South Florida than other parts of the state? 

I agree with you. That's why I cited historical results, when Dade and Broward teams were regularly beaten by teams from other parts of the state. There have always been great players there; there haven't always been such dominant teams.

[Dr. D]

Since this thread was originally centered on the 3S classification, here are the 3S preseason rankings based on the starting power ratings from MaxPreps, the official source of the FHSAA Power Rankings:

1. Pine Forest                                              11. Merritt Island                                                         

2. Rockledge                                               12. Eau Gallie

3. Naples                                                     13. St. Augustine

4. Ocala Vanguard                                      14. Fort Myers Dunbar 

5. Mainland                                                  15. Seabreeze

6. Lake Wales                                              16. Port Charlotte

7. Sebring                                                     17. Pensacola Washington

8. Fort Walton Choctawhatchee                18. North Fort Myers

9. Rickards                                                   19. Gainesville

10. Lincoln                                                    20. Columbia

 

[nolebull813]

1 hour ago, Dr. D said:

Since this thread was originally centered on the 3S classification, here are the 3S preseason rankings based on the starting power ratings from MaxPreps, the official source of the FHSAA Power Rankings:

1. Pine Forest                                              11. Merritt Island                                                         

2. Rockledge                                               12. Eau Gallie

3. Naples                                                     13. St. Augustine

4. Ocala Vanguard                                      14. Fort Myers Dunbar 

5. Mainland                                                  15. Seabreeze

6. Lake Wales                                              16. Port Charlotte

7. Sebring                                                     17. Pensacola Washington

8. Fort Walton Choctawhatchee                18. North Fort Myers

9. Rickards                                                   19. Gainesville

10. Lincoln                                                    20. Columbia

 

Whoa Columbia is ranked 20th just in that watered down area ranking??

[nolebull813]

If Columbia can’t win this area title then I’m not sure they will ever win anything in our lifetime 

[Perspective]

Columbia's 20th?!?!   Someone on this Board (I won't name any names) is going to blow a gasket! 

Jokes aside, I submit this as Exhibit A as to why pre-season power rankings are basically worthless. 

[DisabledAccount]

24 minutes ago, nolebull813 said:

Whoa Columbia is ranked 20th just in that watered down area ranking??

It's MaxPreps which is run by dumbasses

 

If anyone actually thinks half those teams can play with Columbia than they ain't qualified to do rankings 

 

Hell half those teams would refuse to play if Columbia called them

[DisabledAccount]

1 minute ago, Perspective said:

Columbia's 20th?!?!   Someone on this Board (I won't name any names) is going to blow a gasket! 

Jokes aside, I submit this as Exhibit A as to why pre-season power rankings are basically worthless. 

No it just shows any power rankings by a computer that has incorrect info and is guessing have no credibility

 

MaxPreps probably has no clue that we have a 3* QB or 4* WR that wasn't here in the spring and since Columbia hasn't put the info in it's going off what Columbia lost from a 6-5 team, it will look foolish by mid season

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20 minutes ago, nolebull813 said:

If Columbia can’t win this area title then I’m not sure they will ever win anything in our lifetime 

Well according to one poster it's Naples title to win so when Columbia wins we will deserve to call it a state title because I f**** said so and if Naples was supposed to cruise to a title than anyone not named Naples winning it had to earn it 

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30 minutes ago, nolebull813 said:

Whoa Columbia is ranked 20th just in that watered down area ranking??

What area is Pensacola to Naples?

 

Do you even read this nonsense before talking nolebullshit

[DisabledAccount]

Should point this out 

 

The state championships were deemed separated by classification by enrollment by the state and that led to many teams coasting to easy titles but they were still called state titles 

 

@nolebull813 you still call 1A a state title and it's weaker than any of the suburban regions 

 

Any team winning state is a state championship because otherwise no 1A title in the past decade are real state championships 

 

No ifs and or buts

 

 

Just facts!

 

[nolebull813]

3 hours ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

Should point this out 

 

The state championships were deemed separated by classification by enrollment by the state and that led to many teams coasting to easy titles but they were still called state titles 

 

@nolebull813 you still call 1A a state title and it's weaker than any of the suburban regions 

 

Any team winning state is a state championship because otherwise no 1A title in the past decade are real state championships 

 

No ifs and or buts

 

 

Just facts!

 

Yea technically if the entire state isn’t or can’t be included then it’s not a state title. 1A is a rural title. The same when covid hit there was a Tri-County title. I don’t think anyone thought of that as a state title. You only think of 1A as a state title because it’s been called that and it has conditioned our minds to think that way. But it’s not. It’s the rural title. 

When you restrict areas of the state, and make them ineligible, you are by definition losing the “state title” status. They are called area titles. 

[nolebull813]

3 hours ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

What area is Pensacola to Naples?

 

Do you even read this nonsense before talking nolebullshit

Restricting teams from complete pockets and areas of the state by definition makes it ineligible to be called a state title. You are literally saying that half the states teams and half the land area are ineligible for certain titles. Then it’s not a state title. It’s an area title. What area??? The fucking “suburban” one. You won the suburban area title. That’s it