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[VeniceIndianFan]

1 hour ago, THIS_IS_DILLARD said:

LMAO LOL it’s the bias & double standards for me because where was all this understanding when Dillard Played @ #5Chaminade Week 2 @ #3Miami Central Week 4 Then at home vs #6 St THOMAS Aquinas & we lost all 3 of those games. Aren’t all those teams TOP 10 nationally ?? 
 

but yet win Dillard lost nobody cared about that. Our rankings were effected & the shii talking has most def been in full effect. 
 

and Dillard was way more competitive vs MIAMI central and chaminade then MNW was & it’s not even close. 
 

you say and I thought the central game would be close, BRO IT WAS (14-7) at halftime. That’s just like saying the Columbus central game was good as hell. Not knowing that Columbus was actually down by 28 points at half time (35-7). Only diff Dillard made it a game the first half and got blitzed in the second half where as Columbus got blitzed in the first half and made it interesting in the second half. 
 

point is when it comes to Dillard NOBODY wants to here those excuses or moral victory speeches , it’s either did we win or lose ? There’s not 1 person on here saying “YEAH DILLARD IS 5-3 , but look who they played tho” their record is indicative of their national schedule they played. Literally no one on here has took that into consideration. But for MIAMI northwestern we should ?? @cribboy305 @ColumbiaHighFan2017class @VeniceIndiansFootball @Jullian

 I'm not here to stir the pot, as I don't really have a dog in this hunt. What I will say, though, is that Dade ball appears to be down this year. Central is the big dog, and Columbus and Homestead take second and third prize respectively. Northwestern is not the team of old. BTW is improving but they are still a year or two away from contention. 

This year, I would say the 954 has a better argument at being more "complete" than Dade. Chaminade is the king, AHP takes close second, and STA is third. Cardinal Gibbons is a dark horse in 2M. Dillard is easily the best public team in the 954. 

[THIS_IS_DILLARD]

50 minutes ago, Ray Icaza said:

Didn't realize half-time scores were a metric in comparing teams as you seem to allude in your games vs Central and STA.  I guess I am old fashioned and still rely on final scores and Columbus vs Central was 42-35, sounds like a competitive outing while 43-7 not as much.   If you do see great value in half-time scores then a 3-5 Treasure Coast team is right up your ally as they were tied with STA at 0-0 at half before falling 21-7.  As for other teams that MIGHT be more competitive it is simply speculation on your part as it would be on mine without the game being played by the likes of Columbus, Lakeland, Edgewater, Seminole, etc..  vs those nationally ranked teams as those I named are also nationally ranked.  Beating all 3 is an impossible bar for any team in the country.  Winning 1 is not out of the question, especially vs STA but simply being competitive??   I guess that would be up to the eyes of the beholder, ie.  in your eyes you were competitive.  For others, not so much. 

I only mentioned the half time scores because @cribboy305 was mentioning to put RESPECT on MIAMI northwestern name because even tho theyre (4-4) , in his words “look at who they played” he also mentioned that they’re only (4-4) because of the national schedule that they played which according to @cribboy305 the west could have the “toughest schedule” in the state. Which is why DESPITE the (4-4) record that’s why he still has them ranked & feel respect should be put on their name. 
 

so all I did was call “hypocrisy” & backed it up with the numbers ; because as I stated when Dillard lost those same national games there was no empathy or understanding. Now while I do believe it’s admirable holding strong in a half vs a top 10 national team when you’re not even ranked top 50 in the nation, it doesn’t give you a win football is 4 quarters. All I’m saying is don’t hold Dillard to 1 standard & bend that standard for the next. 

[Ray Icaza]

2 hours ago, THIS_IS_DILLARD said:

I only mentioned the half time scores because @cribboy305 was mentioning to put RESPECT on MIAMI northwestern name because even tho theyre (4-4) , in his words “look at who they played” he also mentioned that they’re only (4-4) because of the national schedule that they played which according to @cribboy305 the west could have the “toughest schedule” in the state. Which is why DESPITE the (4-4) record that’s why he still has them ranked & feel respect should be put on their name. 
 

so all I did was call “hypocrisy” & backed it up with the numbers ; because as I stated when Dillard lost those same national games there was no empathy or understanding. Now while I do believe it’s admirable holding strong in a half vs a top 10 national team when you’re not even ranked top 50 in the nation, it doesn’t give you a win football is 4 quarters. All I’m saying is don’t hold Dillard to 1 standard & bend that standard for the next. 

Great respect for Dillard and I only gave my take because you solicited or challenged someone to name a school in the state that could be competititve with the big 3.  I thought that was taking it a step to far. Your first statement that no team could go 3-0 or even 2-1 is most likely correct.  But when it appears you disrespect other schools across the state that may perform as well in a losing fashion as Dillard did against that elite competition I had to weigh in.  Again, all of it is only conjecture on either of our points of view. 

[THIS_IS_DILLARD]

20 hours ago, VeniceIndiansFootball said:

 I'm not here to stir the pot, as I don't really have a dog in this hunt. What I will say, though, is that Dade ball appears to be down this year. Central is the big dog, and Columbus and Homestead take second and third prize respectively. Northwestern is not the team of old. BTW is improving but they are still a year or two away from contention. 

This year, I would say the 954 has a better argument at being more "complete" than Dade. Chaminade is the king, AHP takes close second, and STA is third. Cardinal Gibbons is a dark horse in 2M. Dillard is easily the best public team in the 954. 

Facts. 

[nolebull813]

Week 10 rankings. I’m gonna be honest. I was lazy this week. Everyone who played, won except Raines. So I’m just moving everyone up 1 spot and adding CCC to number 25 this week. Lol. 
 

Miami Central 

2. Chaminade 

3. STA 

4. AHP

5. Edgewater 

6. Columbus 

7. Lakeland 

8. Cardinal Gibbons 

9. Seminole 

10. Venice 

11. Jones 

12. Bartram Trail

13. Osceola 

14. Jax TC 

15. Cardinal Newman

16. Pine Forest 

17. TBT 

18. Homestead 

19. MNW

20. Rockledge

21. BTW

22. Dillard

23. FL High

24. Buchholz

25. CCC

[181pl]

I would never rank Chaminade over Saint Thomas unless they actually play them and beat them. Which I don’t think will ever happen.

 

also, your knowledge is broad enough, I would put together a class top 10. if you have time 

[cribboy305]

On 10/26/2022 at 4:10 PM, THIS_IS_DILLARD said:

I only mentioned the half time scores because @cribboy305 was mentioning to put RESPECT on MIAMI northwestern name because even tho theyre (4-4) , in his words “look at who they played” he also mentioned that they’re only (4-4) because of the national schedule that they played which according to @cribboy305 the west could have the “toughest schedule” in the state. Which is why DESPITE the (4-4) record that’s why he still has them ranked & feel respect should be put on their name. 
 

so all I did was call “hypocrisy” & backed it up with the numbers ; because as I stated when Dillard lost those same national games there was no empathy or understanding. Now while I do believe it’s admirable holding strong in a half vs a top 10 national team when you’re not even ranked top 50 in the nation, it doesn’t give you a win football is 4 quarters. All I’m saying is don’t hold Dillard to 1 standard & bend that standard for the next. 

I understand yall played the best. thing is yall have never beaten the best so why give you that respect over the west just cause yall played that team better. Nothing but respect for dillard as a solid squad who I expect to make a deep playoff run but rankings are rankings. nothing more. 

[cribboy305]

7 hours ago, nolebull813 said:

Week 10 rankings. I’m gonna be honest. I was lazy this week. Everyone who played, won except Raines. So I’m just moving everyone up 1 spot and adding CCC to number 25 this week. Lol. 
 

 

Miami Central 

2. Chaminade 

3. STA 

4. AHP

5. Edgewater 

6. Columbus 

7. Lakeland 

8. Cardinal Gibbons 

9. Seminole 

10. Venice 

11. Jones 

12. Bartram Trail

13. Osceola 

14. Jax TC 

15. Cardinal Newman

16. Pine Forest 

17. TBT 

18. Homestead 

19. MNW

20. Rockledge

21. BTW

22. Dillard

23. FL High

24. Buchholz

25. CCC

you giving jones & osceola wayyy too much respect playa

[THIS_IS_DILLARD]

3 hours ago, cribboy305 said:

I understand yall played the best. thing is yall have never beaten the best so why give you that respect over the west just cause yall played that team better. Nothing but respect for dillard as a solid squad who I expect to make a deep playoff run but rankings are rankings. nothing more. 

Never beat the best ? Ughh Dillard has done that a plethora of times over the last few decades, but we live in a what have you done for me lately. 
 

have northwestern beat the best this year? No

did they beat the best last year ? No 

did the west & Dillard get ousted in the same round last year ? Yes 

As much As I have respect for MNW & their program & for what they have accomplished over the years I can’t help but hear nothing but straight bias in your take lol & you know I got nothing but respect for you bro. 
 

what the west have done in the past have no baring on why they should or shouldn’t be ranked or respected now. Yes when you hear the name “MIAMI NORTHWESTERN” you think elite, dominance & championships. But that’s not who they’re right now brodie. 
 

putting Dillard over MIAMI northwestern is not about respect it’s about on paper & on the field who have appeared to be the overall better & more complete team & that’s Dillard. 
 

without Tyga the bulls probably under .500 , with him outside of 2 games they’re 5-4. Numbers don’t lie. 
 

 

[THIS_IS_DILLARD]

3 hours ago, cribboy305 said:

I understand yall played the best. thing is yall have never beaten the best so why give you that respect over the west just cause yall played that team better. Nothing but respect for dillard as a solid squad who I expect to make a deep playoff run but rankings are rankings. nothing more. 

You go from mentioning the west should be ranked & given respect because of their “national ranked opponents” despite them being running clocked in 2 of them. 
 

but when it comes to Dillard you don’t have that same energy even tho Dillard & the west have common Opp & Dillard fared better in both of them. Not to mention we went toe for toe with #8 in the nation STA.

 

 But as you stated rankings are just that , nothing wrong with a lil football debate & trash talk tho lol. End the end every team will have the chance to prove themselves. 

[181pl]

12 hours ago, THIS_IS_DILLARD said:

You go from mentioning the west should be ranked & given respect because of their “national ranked opponents” despite them being running clocked in 2 of them. 
 

but when it comes to Dillard you don’t have that same energy even tho Dillard & the west have common Opp & Dillard fared better in both of them. Not to mention we went toe for toe with #8 in the nation STA.

 

 But as you stated rankings are just that , nothing wrong with a lil football debate & trash talk tho lol. End the end every team will have the chance to prove themselves. 

Dillard is a very good program but it lacks MNWs pedigree over the last 20 plus years. Win a title. Then respect comes. Close calls against good teams show Dillard is a good program, but not a champion yet.

Tough when locked in w St. Thomas. Definitely rooting for Dillard in 3M and hope they upset STA and win it all.

[DisabledAccount]

4 hours ago, 181pl said:

Dillard is a very good program but it lacks MNWs pedigree over the last 20 plus years. Win a title. Then respect comes. Close calls against good teams show Dillard is a good program, but not a champion yet.

Tough when locked in w St. Thomas. Definitely rooting for Dillard in 3M and hope they upset STA and win it all.

Pedigree or not this isn't a great bulls team 

 

This is the common mistake and exactly why the people on that "Prep Gridiron board" can NEVER keep up with me or rank half as good as me in Florida rankings

 

If it's not a team they have heard of they think they suck, the reality is a NAME doesn't mean they are a great team in the CURRENT season. People thought MNW should have been top 10 in my poll in preseason because of the BULLS BRAND and I never bought it because I saw they still aren't the dominant bulls on paper they would need to be to win with their staff and 4 losses to date including being smashed by Central, homestead and Chaminade proves it 

 

As for what you said about Chaminade, if STA went and beat MNW by the margin Chaminade did you would be saying that STA should be number 2 in the country behind IMG, I don't care if STA and Chaminade play but it would have been an interesting matchup this year

 

Chaminade resume to date is better than STA and has earned being ranked higher 

[Perspective]

Yes or no: should a high school team's history/pedigree have any affect on its current rating? 

[DisabledAccount]

35 minutes ago, Perspective said:

Yes or no: should a high school team's history/pedigree have any affect on its current rating? 

Maybe in the preseason it's worth considering just because typically a team like STA or Miami Central are safe picks but this late in the year? Absolutely not 

 

That's why I say that things like star rankings, past season results, program consistency, coaching success,etc are considered in the preseason but once games start the only thing I look at is how they perform in their game resume and on field results 

 

That's why in early weeks my rankings tend to have significant shifts but slow down later on the year (for example outside of the pending Sanford Seminole vs Apopka game tonight) there has been no losses in my top 25 and outside of the loser of that game dropping there will be very little touching the top 25 this week 

 

I don't think anything outside of season production should be considered in rankings this late in the year 

[Beek]

50 minutes ago, Perspective said:

Yes or no: should a high school team's history/pedigree have any affect on its current rating? 

Thats a double edge sword. If I was in charge of preseason rankings. I would consider last years performance, The past 5 years trend. Strength of the new seasons schedule based on where other teams finished the prior year. This would still just be a guess. But how can a team that has never competed in a high school football game be raked above a team who has competed. Even if that team is 0-10. They have a history at least. 

So yes and no. 

Teams who have poor records and performance at the beginning of the year are rated very low. 

[Nulli Secundus]

1 hour ago, Perspective said:

Yes or no: should a high school team's history/pedigree have any affect on its current rating? 

HELL NO!  Historical results don't dictate this years outcome, lol.

[THIS_IS_DILLARD]

6 hours ago, 181pl said:

Dillard is a very good program but it lacks MNWs pedigree over the last 20 plus years. Win a title. Then respect comes. Close calls against good teams show Dillard is a good program, but not a champion yet.

Tough when locked in w St. Thomas. Definitely rooting for Dillard in 3M and hope they upset STA and win it all.

Their is a HUGE diff between having a close call vs NATIONALLY Elite teams vs having close calls against in State good teams lol.

 

 Funny thing is When Dillard plays in state good teams we demolish them the score doesn’t even be close lol so what does that mean ? 
 

also what does MIAMI northwestern pats pedigree have to do with who they’re NOW & how they should be ranked NOW. Because that same “PEDIGREE” you’re speaking of has led them to a 5-4 record so far. 

[THIS_IS_DILLARD]

2 hours ago, Perspective said:

Yes or no: should a high school team's history/pedigree have any affect on its current rating? 

ABSOLUTELY NOT

[Perspective]

29 minutes ago, THIS_IS_DILLARD said:

ABSOLUTELY NOT

C'mon, man, don't be so wishy-washy.  

[THIS_IS_DILLARD]

4 hours ago, Perspective said:

C'mon, man, don't be so wishy-washy.  

How’s that wishy washy lol

[181pl]

7 hours ago, THIS_IS_DILLARD said:

Their is a HUGE diff between having a close call vs NATIONALLY Elite teams vs having close calls against in State good teams lol.

 

 Funny thing is When Dillard plays in state good teams we demolish them the score doesn’t even be close lol so what does that mean ? 
 

also what does MIAMI northwestern pats pedigree have to do with who they’re NOW & how they should be ranked NOW. Because that same “PEDIGREE” you’re speaking of has led them to a 5-4 record so far. 

Have to look at the other side of that equation as well. It means that Dillard over scheduled and is not ready for that kind of schedule. 

You’re not going to get a lot of argument about MNW being better than Dillard this year. But a lot of times when folks are making polls they think of brand names.

[THIS_IS_DILLARD]

4 hours ago, 181pl said:

Have to look at the other side of that equation as well. It means that Dillard over scheduled and is not ready for that kind of schedule. 

You’re not going to get a lot of argument about MNW being better than Dillard this year. But a lot of times when folks are making polls they think of brand names.

If we were out manned & overwhelmed from start to finish. 
 

but the fact Dillard a team not even ranked in the TOP 50 was up 14-0 nothing on the #5 team in the nation chaminade Madonna trailing 21-14 at half. 

Trailed 7-7 after 1st quarter & trailed only 14-7 vs the number 3 team in the nation MIAMI central. 
 

trailed the #8 team in the nation at THOMAS aquinas 10-7 at the half. 
 

now on paper these games were not suppose to be NON competitive from start to finish. 
 

now don’t get me wrong in the end you get no brownie if you lose. But for the Dillard as a NON NATIONALLY ranked team was able to hang with 2 top 10 nationally teams for a half. & went toe to toe with the #8 team in the nation for the full game. That don’t give me a team that overscheduled or that’s not ready. 
 

respectfully that gives a team that obviously has the horses to compete with the best & beat the best. 
 

it’s the intangibles that just has to be better. Coaching discipline , which those things are rectified during the course of a season which is why I believe those games helped Dillard & have made them even more dangerous as they get geared up for this playoff run. 

[HornetFan]

19 hours ago, Perspective said:

Yes or no: should a high school team's history/pedigree have any affect on its current rating? 

No; if it's truly a "current" rating, only the current season should be considered.

[Perspective]

12 hours ago, THIS_IS_DILLARD said:

How’s that wishy washy lol

I was just playing with you.   "ABSOLUTELY NOT" in all caps is pretty definitive.  All you were missing were the three exclamation points at the end. 

[181pl]

2 hours ago, Perspective said:

I was just playing with you.   "ABSOLUTELY NOT" in all caps is pretty definitive.  All you were missing were the three exclamation points at the end. 

Apparently he’s part Vulcan; difficulty with sarcasm or humor.