FINAL: MNW 14 Chaminade 42

[FSULOVER]

before allstar teams most south broward teams like cmd were bad. even in north broward ely and dillard were only teams with chance to beat dade powers. sta was ok but had to take it to next level of gettin talent. broward needed all star teams to compete against dade.  yea dade got allstar teams now but carolcity the west and the ridge could win states with kids in they hood before the arms race start

 

[Supernatural]

18 hours ago, cribboy305 said:

I only stated my opinion to which you & your buddies have everything to say about what another grown man thinks. Why would I be mad tho, those chaminade kids are from dade. I salute them getting the w. 

Bro come on! This is a new error of kids. They play between both counties. Central has plenty of kids from Broward and the west has kids from Broward as well. STA, CM and Hertiage has kids from Dade. Who cares. It's been like that since little league when kids from dade would play in the AYFL (Broward) for better coaching. And kids from Broward go play for the Flo league (Dade). This Dade vs Broward rival is so early 2000's and before era. This a new era .

[cribboy305]

9 hours ago, Supernatural said:

Bro come on! This is a new error of kids. They play between both counties. Central has plenty of kids from Broward and the west has kids from Broward as well. STA, CM and Hertiage has kids from Dade. Who cares. It's been like that since little league when kids from dade would play in the AYFL (Broward) for better coaching. And kids from Broward go play for the Flo league (Dade). This Dade vs Broward rival is so early 2000's and before era. This a new era .

name some broward kids on central roster right now.. I bet you can’t…

But i agree all in all. Idc what kids play where. I had somebody boasting to me that broward beat dade & had to remind them that without dade broward does not compete (with dade). understand I can careless about where a kid goes to play football. I’m just here in miami so 10/10 Ikno whats going on

[cribboy305]

On 9/10/2022 at 8:17 PM, THIS_IS_DILLARD said:

Most def will. We’re getting extremely battle tested I give us that. 

yeah forsure. come playoffs yall will be a force

[cribboy305]

1 minute ago, cribboy305 said:

name some broward kids on central roster right now.. I bet you can’t…

But i agree all in all. Idc what kids play where. I had somebody boasting to me that broward beat dade & had to remind them that without dade broward does not compete (with dade). understand I can careless about where a kid goes to play football. I’m just here in miami so 10/10 Ikno whats going on

& So I don’t ruffle feathers I’m only speaking on the power privates. Dillard may have a dade kid or 2 but they shine with broward kids. Broward vs Dade will be forever a beef.  most counties won’t understand but down here we know, its not just football. its all love though between us. 

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7 minutes ago, cribboy305 said:

name some broward kids on central roster right now.. I bet you can’t…

But i agree all in all. Idc what kids play where. I had somebody boasting to me that broward beat dade & had to remind them that without dade broward does not compete (with dade). understand I can careless about where a kid goes to play football. I’m just here in miami so 10/10 Ikno whats going on

Jon Jon #22 the running back who transferred from Chaminade. The one who scored twice against btw.

[Supernatural]

7 minutes ago, cribboy305 said:

& So I don’t ruffle feathers I’m only speaking on the power privates. Dillard may have a dade kid or 2 but they shine with broward kids. Broward vs Dade will be forever a beef.  most counties won’t understand but down here we know, its not just football. its all love though between us. 

The kids I train are from dade and broward and they never beef. They support each other even though they attend different schools (sometimes rival schools). Now it's different when their teams play that week. But a lot these kids play on the same 7 on 7 teams and train in the offseason together. I agree that the kids down here are built different and a lot times they see football as their only way out. Which to me is a gift and a curse.

[cribboy305]

21 hours ago, Supernatural said:

Jon Jon #22 the running back who transferred from Chaminade. The one who scored twice against btw.

you right jon jon still is over there

[cribboy305]

Just now, cribboy305 said:

you right jon jon still is over there

 

21 hours ago, Supernatural said:

The kids I train are from dade and broward and they never beef. They support each other even though they attend different schools (sometimes rival schools). Now it's different when their teams play that week. But a lot these kids play on the same 7 on 7 teams and train in the offseason together. I agree that the kids down here are built different and a lot times they see football as their only way out. Which to me is a gift and a curse.

Also true, all the 7on7 teams down here got a mix of both counties. On game day tho when its dade vs broward you see how deep it really goes

[954gator]

MNW definitely a solid team,  don't think they lose like this the rest of the year.    Seemed they left a lot of points off the board.   Crib does MNW have a kicker?  

[FSULOVER]

 

On 9/11/2022 at 9:49 PM, cribboy305 said:

name some broward kids on central roster right now.. I bet you can’t…

But i agree all in all. Idc what kids play where. I had somebody boasting to me that broward beat dade & had to remind them that without dade broward does not compete (with dade). understand I can careless about where a kid goes to play football. I’m just here in miami so 10/10 Ikno whats going on

u right. Broward vs Dade vs Palm Beach all those rivalry gone as sfl grow and school choice came on. everyone need to get over it. some want the old AND the new and u cant have both. past teams not as good but real rivalry missin today.  sta only broward school with LONG history of winnin who could win then AND today. other broward privates a joke back in the day. dillard wud beat cmd by 70 back then but now it other way around.    

 

[Ray Icaza]

On 9/11/2022 at 8:53 AM, FSULOVER said:

before allstar teams most south broward teams like cmd were bad. even in north broward ely and dillard were only teams with chance to beat dade powers. sta was ok but had to take it to next level of gettin talent. broward needed all star teams to compete against dade.  yea dade got allstar teams now but carolcity the west and the ridge could win states with kids in they hood before the arms race start

 

All star privates forced some publics to enter the recruiting wars to win in the early 2000's, thus my animosity to private schools poaching top players from other schools which has led us to where we are today.  Without question they can offer top athletes in any sport conditions that can't be matched by most public schools,  ie... better schooling, coaching, training facilities, recruiting chances, winning culture and most often a safer environment to grow up in.   With all that said, can someone from Broward lay this conspiracy theory to rest......... I have heard STA even got public transportation throughout Ft. Lauderdale to crisscross by their campus from every corner of the city to facilitate attendance.  HUH??

[THIS_IS_DILLARD]

4 minutes ago, Ray Icaza said:

All star privates forced some publics to enter the recruiting wars to win in the early 2000's, thus my animosity to private schools poaching top players from other schools which has led us to where we are today.  Without question they can offer top athletes in any sport conditions that can't be matched by most public schools,  ie... better schooling, coaching, training facilities, recruiting chances, winning culture and most often a safer environment to grow up in.   With all that said, can someone from Broward lay this conspiracy theory to rest......... I have heard STA even got public transportation throughout Ft. Lauderdale to crisscross by their campus from every corner of the city to facilitate attendance.  HUH??

Yessir you got the BCT (broward county transportation) busses that travels on Davie blvd that connects with the neighborhood STA is in. 
 

& you have a city bus that actually travels through there with a bus stop right in front of the school. 

[Ray Icaza]

1 minute ago, THIS_IS_DILLARD said:

Yessir you got the BCT (broward county transportation) busses that travels on Davie blvd that connects with the neighborhood STA is in. 
 

& you have a city bus that actually travels through there with a bus stop right in front of the school. 

I had heard that for awhile, but didn't think that STA had that much influence.  I was wrong and thank you for the honesty.

[THIS_IS_DILLARD]

6 minutes ago, Ray Icaza said:

All star privates forced some publics to enter the recruiting wars to win in the early 2000's, thus my animosity to private schools poaching top players from other schools which has led us to where we are today.  Without question they can offer top athletes in any sport conditions that can't be matched by most public schools,  ie... better schooling, coaching, training facilities, recruiting chances, winning culture and most often a safer environment to grow up in.   With all that said, can someone from Broward lay this conspiracy theory to rest......... I have heard STA even got public transportation throughout Ft. Lauderdale to crisscross by their campus from every corner of the city to facilitate attendance.  HUH??

To your point back in the day in the 80s & 90s there was a pride at the local African American schools like no other, there was tradition. Tradition to go to the school & play for the school your forefathers went to. Private schools wasn’t glorified over ; if anything they were looked down upon. Schools like Dillard wanted to dog walk STA not join them. And for a while STA had to go through Dillard. 
 

But during the late 90s early 2000s STA realized in order to be on top they had to use their resources to their advantage which started recruiting like none other & they’ve been on top since. 

[Ray Icaza]

2 minutes ago, THIS_IS_DILLARD said:

To your point back in the day in the 80s & 90s there was a pride at the local African American schools like no other, there was tradition. Tradition to go to the school & play for the school your forefathers went to. Private schools wasn’t glorified over ; if anything they were looked down upon. Schools like Dillard wanted to dog walk STA not join them. And for a while STA had to go through Dillard. 
 

But during the late 90s early 2000s STA realized in order to be on top they had to use their resources to their advantage which started recruiting like none other & they’ve been on top since. 

I know Columbia likes to defend the privates as he is correct the publics are doing the same today.  My beef all along was they were allowed to do it thus creating an uneven playing field and that is why I would advocate for separate divisions for privates and publics.  We are far removed from that now, but if they had done that and kept the eligibility rules regarding where you were zoned to attend in place more schools would have a chance for a championship at least once every generation.  Today looking just at my county, those schools other than OHS having a small chance for a championship have no hope.  That to me is very sad.  

[THIS_IS_DILLARD]

4 minutes ago, Ray Icaza said:

I know Columbia likes to defend the privates as he is correct the publics are doing the same today.  My beef all along was they were allowed to do it thus creating an uneven playing field and that is why I would advocate for separate divisions for privates and publics.  We are far removed from that now, but if they had done that and kept the eligibility rules regarding where you were zoned to attend in place more schools would have a chance for a championship at least once every generation.  Today looking just at my county, those schools other than OHS having a small chance for a championship have no hope.  That to me is very sad.  

i agree wholeheartedly we are far past the put the privates in their own league and keep the publics in their own league era. Because with how loosely transfer rules are now you also see all star public schools. A school that was nothing in football can literally turn into a powerhouse over night with the right coaching staff and right amount of transfers. 
 

so yes right now PUBLIC & PRIVATE are recruiting & to a great degree public does have more transferring & recruiting going on. In the end it’s all sending a wrong message iMO. Nobody wants to work for a championship no more , this younger generation now is quick to follow the newest wave. Last year it was killian & MC.

this year it was Dillard,Chaminade,MC & MNW.

back in the days kids wanted to play for their home school and be part of the tradition. Now & days kids don’t give a dam about tradition they’re looking at what’s the best move to get me out the hood & in college, or what’s the best & or easiest move to get me a ring & that’s the route they chose. 
 

in broward county alone we have 4 nationally ranked programs ; they’re all PRIVATE SCHOOLS. 
 

STA

Cardinal gibbons 

Chaminade Madonna 

American Heritage 

 

Currently you have TWO very very good public Schools that’s on the cusp of national notoriety 

DILLARD 

WESTERN

Thats it every other public school program is struggling right now out side of maybe 3 programs who are solid but not state elite 

MIRAMAR 

CREEK 

PLANTATION 

Every other team is terrible. 

[THIS_IS_DILLARD]

13 minutes ago, Ray Icaza said:

I know Columbia likes to defend the privates as he is correct the publics are doing the same today.  My beef all along was they were allowed to do it thus creating an uneven playing field and that is why I would advocate for separate divisions for privates and publics.  We are far removed from that now, but if they had done that and kept the eligibility rules regarding where you were zoned to attend in place more schools would have a chance for a championship at least once every generation.  Today looking just at my county, those schools other than OHS having a small chance for a championship have no hope.  That to me is very sad.  

In MIAMI the transfers bounce back & forth from MNW to MIAMI central 

carol city has fell off

norland is trying to make some noise again after a 6 year hiatus 

same for Booker t 

columbus is the only other MIAMI school that’s been holding their own. 
 

& Homestead have made themselves known in the last year. But before then no one talked about Homestead. 
 

point is year in & year out south Florida wise you pretty much have the same teams dominating over & over because those are the GO TO schools while the rest suffer.

[Ray Icaza]

3 minutes ago, THIS_IS_DILLARD said:

In MIAMI the transfers bounce back & forth from MNW to MIAMI central 

carol city has fell off

norland is trying to make some noise again after a 6 year hiatus 

same for Booker t 

columbus is the only other MIAMI school that’s been holding their own. 
 

& Homestead have made themselves known in the last year. But before then no one talked about Homestead. 
 

point is year in & year out south Florida wise you pretty much have the same teams dominating over & over because those are the GO TO schools while the rest suffer.

Recruiting is REAL and the privates still have the advantage over publics in getting the ELITE athletes though they can choose where they want to go.  There is a kid who played in our youth leagues in Kissimmee and I believe he lived just over the county line in Orange not Osceola but everyone recognized early on he could be special.  He could have continued with the relationships built over several years in that youth league (Osceola Panthers team) and played for us but landed as a freshman at LHP a very nice private school in Orlando.  Now he has transferred to IMG and is considered among the top 5 LB's in the nation in the class of 2025.  His name is Gavin Nix, so for me they still have the advantage.  Same story for Lamar Patterson going to St. Frances Academy in Baltimore.  My big fear the past couple of years was losing our stud DL John Walker to the likes of an IMG.  I am sure they tried but thank God he resisted.  Getting transfers helps you compete with the best, but the formula for winning it all is getting "THE BEST" transfers. 

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18 minutes ago, Ray Icaza said:

Recruiting is REAL and the privates still have the advantage over publics in getting the ELITE athletes though they can choose where they want to go.  There is a kid who played in our youth leagues in Kissimmee and I believe he lived just over the county line in Orange not Osceola but everyone recognized early on he could be special.  He could have continued with the relationships built over several years in that youth league (Osceola Panthers team) and played for us but landed as a freshman at LHP a very nice private school in Orlando.  Now he has transferred to IMG and is considered among the top 5 LB's in the nation in the class of 2025.  His name is Gavin Nix, so for me they still have the advantage.  Same story for Lamar Patterson going to St. Frances Academy in Baltimore.  My big fear the past couple of years was losing our stud DL John Walker to the likes of an IMG.  I am sure they tried but thank God he resisted.  Getting transfers helps you compete with the best, but the formula for winning it all is getting "THE BEST" transfers. 

Only if the counties make it that way 

 

I'll tell you for a fact in counties like Duval, Broward and Dade the transfers can move as easily to any public as the privates and those publics don't have the same academic standards the privates will which actually make transfers to publics much easier

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In other words schools like Riverside, Raines, Ed White, Dillard, Western, Miami Central, Miami Northwestern, BTW, etc

 

They at no disadvantage of schools like University Christian, Trinity Christian, Bolles, Chaminade Madonna, Cardinal Gibbons, AHP, STA or Columbus in terms of ability to get transfers

 

Those publics can get transfers far easier 

[Ray Icaza]

4 minutes ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

Only if the counties make it that way 

 

I'll tell you for a fact in counties like Duval, Broward and Dade the transfers can move as easily to any public as the privates and those publics don't have the same academic standards the privates will which actually make transfers to publics much easier

Wrong, our county doesn't fight transfers so this reasoning is bogus.  We just can't provide them with the level of perks I pointed out in an earlier thread, so anyone can come to OHS for any reason.  Sometimes those ELITE players will leave for greener pastures (privates) in their mind.  For years, some of the top skilled players would end up at a Bishop Moore but today it has gone statewide and even national.  We got kids even in privates in California so stop sticking up for them as if they are grieved.  That pity plea doesn't fly in my book.  

[Ray Icaza]

13 minutes ago, Ray Icaza said:

Wrong, our county doesn't fight transfers so this reasoning is bogus.  We just can't provide them with the level of perks I pointed out in an earlier thread, so anyone can come to OHS for any reason.  Sometimes those ELITE players will leave for greener pastures (privates) in their mind.  For years, some of the top skilled players would end up at a Bishop Moore but today it has gone statewide and even national.  We got kids even in privates in California so stop sticking up for them as if they are grieved.  That pity plea doesn't fly in my book.  

Quality and quantity of talent in South FL is superior by far than anywhere in the state so examples of Central, MNW, etc.. is an outlier when it comes to the arms race.  When an all star private wants an ELITE PLAYER, character may be a concern but I don't think they are really considering academic prowess. 

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1 minute ago, Ray Icaza said:

Quality and quantity of talent in South FL is superior by far than anywhere in the state so examples of Central, MNW, etc.. is an outlier when it comes to the arms race.  When an all star private wants an ELITE PLAYER, character may be a concern but I don't think they are really considering academic prowess. 

Some private schools are very strict with the academic standards 

 

Don't you ever notice that Bolles typically by all indications of people from the area mostly get Nassau or St John's county kids transferring in versus Duval

 

It's because a lot of the Duval players who could transfer don't have good enough grades to get into Bolles

 

I guarantee you ain't gonna just walk into some of these SFL private schools with a 2.1 GPA the same way you can't get into Bolles with one 

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21 minutes ago, Ray Icaza said:

Wrong, our county doesn't fight transfers so this reasoning is bogus.  We just can't provide them with the level of perks I pointed out in an earlier thread, so anyone can come to OHS for any reason.  Sometimes those ELITE players will leave for greener pastures (privates) in their mind.  For years, some of the top skilled players would end up at a Bishop Moore but today it has gone statewide and even national.  We got kids even in privates in California so stop sticking up for them as if they are grieved.  That pity plea doesn't fly in my book.  

What I'm saying is there is no player transfer advantage that STA has that isn't available to a Miami Central or Miami Northwestern

 

They can get kids from all over Dade just as easy, STA doesn't have boarding like IMG so kids still gotta commute there 

 

They ain't housing athletes to get kids and under the current rules Central or Northwestern can get transfers as easy as any private can in SFL

 

And it's the same case in Duval, the only reason you don't see teams like Riverside and Ed White becoming like Miami Central or Northwestern is Because they don't have the winning culture or coaching of Central and they don't have the pure talent of MNW

 

But in terms of player movement they can get kids easier than Bolles and as easy as TCA could