Does the FHSAA punish cheaters?

[Ray Icaza]

10 minutes ago, Ray Icaza said:

"BREAKING:   FHSAA finds rules violations by undefeated THE FIRST ACADEMY football".   This headline just popped up in the Orlando Sentinel Sports page.  My wife isn't here to help me Paste & Copy the article but apparently the investigation asked TFA to self-report and they didn't.  Not clear what the punishment will be and have no axe to grind with these people but getting 30+ transfers from surrounding teams seems pretty egregious so hope the penalty sends a message.  

Sad that this school and HC were featured here this week in the Central FL Blitz with those "Transfers" never being really questioned but did allow them to drape themselves in their "Christian Values".  Pathetic.

[Nulli Secundus]

1 hour ago, Ray Icaza said:

"BREAKING:   FHSAA finds rules violations by undefeated THE FIRST ACADEMY football".   This headline just popped up in the Orlando Sentinel Sports page.  My wife isn't here to help me Paste & Copy the article but apparently the investigation asked TFA to self-report and they didn't.  Not clear what the punishment will be and have no axe to grind with these people but getting 30+ transfers from surrounding teams seems pretty egregious so hope the penalty sends a message.  

Link:  The First Academy responds to FHSAA finding of Rules Violations

URL:  https://www.orlandosentinel.com/2024/09/13/fhsaa-rules-violations-undefeated-the-first-academy-football-jeff-conaway/

[Pipe Dreams]

the FHSAA - silent like a dog so far. many such cases!

[Perspective]

Can someone summarize the Sentinel articles for those of us who can't get past the paywall and don't want to pay for yet another newspaper subscription?

[Ray Icaza]

48 minutes ago, Perspective said:

Can someone summarize the Sentinel articles for those of us who can't get past the paywall and don't want to pay for yet another newspaper subscription?

Does the link that Nulli provided for the article just above your post also require pay to access?  I know from my end I can click on the link and view the article itself.  

[Nulli Secundus]

2 hours ago, Perspective said:

Can someone summarize the Sentinel articles for those of us who can't get past the paywall and don't want to pay for yet another newspaper subscription?

Here's another link:  FHSAA finds The First Academy football program guilty of rules violations: Report

[Perspective]

1 hour ago, Nulli Secundus said:

Here's another link:  FHSAA finds The First Academy football program guilty of rules violations: Report

Thanks.  So, it sounds like First Academy committed some of those technical, smechnical violations.  You know, some of those rules that everyone else has to follow.  But it also sounds like the defense is that 'we should be allowed to commit those violations and break those rules because otherwise, well, otherwise, football players wouldn't get the food they need or have rides home.'  I'll let this one play out and see where it lands.  

But, I can tell you this much:  when you get 30 transfers into your school to play football, you need to recognize that you're going to be walking around with a target on your back and you better make sure that you do everything possible to avoid the appearance of impropriety.    

[Ray Icaza]

1 hour ago, Perspective said:

Thanks.  So, it sounds like First Academy committed some of those technical, smechnical violations.  You know, some of those rules that everyone else has to follow.  But it also sounds like the defense is that 'we should be allowed to commit those violations and break those rules because otherwise, well, otherwise, football players wouldn't get the food they need or have rides home.'  I'll let this one play out and see where it lands.  

But, I can tell you this much:  when you get 30 transfers into your school to play football, you need to recognize that you're going to be walking around with a target on your back and you better make sure that you do everything possible to avoid the appearance of impropriety.    

It doesn't help when TFA varsity baseball HC self reports, then resigns his position because of inaction.  Then the TFA principal does the same.  But wait, there is hope for TFA.  They got an attorney.

[THAT S--T WAS FUNNY]

TFA made the mistake by not knowing the climate in central florida. This type of transferring in Miami Dade has been going on for years. The only difference is that Dade county coaches rarely tell on each other because they all are doing it. Central Florida is still pretty green at this crazy recruiting scene we see today. TFA should have known that.

[Ray Icaza]

2 hours ago, THAT S--T WAS FUNNY said:

TFA made the mistake by not knowing the climate in central florida. This type of transferring in Miami Dade has been going on for years. The only difference is that Dade county coaches rarely tell on each other because they all are doing it. Central Florida is still pretty green at this crazy recruiting scene we see today. TFA should have known that.

They had to know what the reaction would be, I just think they didn't care and/or thought they would be able to get away with it.  The jury is still out on the latter.  They telegraphed their intent with the coaching crew they brought in as they were clearly known for these tactics at the two previous schools where they worked.  Again, I don't have an axe to grind as the 2 that transferred from our school weren't going to cause our season to collapse.  Can't say the same for the 7 they got from Leesburg or the 6 from Lake Minneola.  I think my view is shared by many in believing that a harsh punishment will send a signal going forward that this is not acceptable.  Anything less gives the FHSAA a black eye and total loss of control. 

[PinellasFB]

If you get 30 new players in, there is no way recruiting isn't happening.  Violations like a "free lunch" is minor, but rides to school/practice sounds like no big deal but that is exactly how HS recruiting is done for kids who live far away from the school.  

[Perspective]

1 hour ago, PinellasFB said:

If you get 30 new players in, there is no way recruiting isn't happening.  Violations like a "free lunch" is minor, but rides to school/practice sounds like no big deal but that is exactly how HS recruiting is done for kids who live far away from the school.  

Just remember, it wasn't all the mob activity that got Al Capone in trouble; he went to prison for tax evasion.  Sometimes it's the little things (that are easier to prove) that get you in trouble. 

[SportsFan]

On 9/15/2024 at 10:02 PM, Ray Icaza said:

They had to know what the reaction would be, I just think they didn't care and/or thought they would be able to get away with it.  The jury is still out on the latter.  They telegraphed their intent with the coaching crew they brought in as they were clearly known for these tactics at the two previous schools where they worked.  Again, I don't have an axe to grind as the 2 that transferred from our school weren't going to cause our season to collapse.  Can't say the same for the 7 they got from Leesburg or the 6 from Lake Minneola.  I think my view is shared by many in believing that a harsh punishment will send a signal going forward that this is not acceptable.  Anything less gives the FHSAA a black eye and total loss of control. 

The FHSAA is run currently by the same people who pushed for school choice 

Maybe the old FHSAA but the new one won't punish them 

Hell they may give them a medal for it 

[Perspective]

34 minutes ago, SportsFan said:

The FHSAA is run currently by the same people who pushed for school choice 

 

 

 

Maybe the old FHSAA but the new one won't punish them 

 

Hell they may give them a medal for it 

Are you referring to the current Board or to the staff?    Wouldn't this be a staff issue?

[SportsFan]

2 minutes ago, Perspective said:

Are you referring to the current Board or to the staff?    Wouldn't this be a staff issue?

Both 

The staff had turnover when the state leadership took over it just wasn't as public as the board was but it did show what their priorities were and protecting public schools and competitive balance was not a priority in the slightest for the "new FHSAA"