West Boca hosting national top 25 Bergen Catholic,NJ

[nolebull813]

West Boca using the success from this past year to dip their toe into the out of state circuit. They are hosting Bergen Catholic the 4 time defending state champ for week 3 apart of the Adodas Football Classic. 

[nolebull813]

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[nolebull813]

Gadsden County heading to play at East St Louis, a midwestern powerhouse. 
 

Gadsden Co better tread lightly this offseason because teams up in the Tally area are snitching about them recruiting. Wouldn’t be surprised if something comes out on them soon. I mean you don’t go from laughing stock homecoming opponent to championship level power in one season without some funny business going on 

[Hwy17]

13 hours ago, nolebull813 said:

Gadsden County heading to play at East St Louis, a midwestern powerhouse. 
 

Gadsden Co better tread lightly this offseason because teams up in the Tally area are snitching about them recruiting. Wouldn’t be surprised if something comes out on them soon. I mean you don’t go from laughing stock homecoming opponent to championship level power in one season without some funny business going on 

Did Gadsden do any more than any others? Seems to be OK for certain schools to load up on transfers but God forbid if others do it. 

[nolebull813]

11 hours ago, Hwy17 said:

Did Gadsden do any more than any others? Seems to be OK for certain schools to load up on transfers but God forbid if others do it. 

Not sure. It’s not about them getting transfers. It’s the accusation of recruiting. You can’t compare a bunch of kids in a high concentrated metropolis going to a school they know has what they want in terms of coaching, championship opportunities and getting more looks for colleges with other schools who are having coaches and runners contact kids from other teams to entice them to come to your team. 2 completely different things 

[Hwy17]

11 hours ago, nolebull813 said:

Not sure. It’s not about them getting transfers. It’s the accusation of recruiting. You can’t compare a bunch of kids in a high concentrated metropolis going to a school they know has what they want in terms of coaching, championship opportunities and getting more looks for colleges with other schools who are having coaches and runners contact kids from other teams to entice them to come to your team. 2 completely different things 

Looks to me like Gadsden just so happened to have a good team this year.  Most rural towns tend to follow a natural path of down years followed by great years. 

[nolebull813]

6 hours ago, Hwy17 said:

Looks to me like Gadsden just so happened to have a good team this year.  Most rural towns tend to follow a natural path of down years followed by great years. 

Haha no you don’t go from laughing stock homecoming team who doesn’t know how to play football at the varsity level losing to 1-win teams to beating state champions, dominating all the best teams around you and marching to the state title with ease almost winning it in one year. That does not happen. 
 

Tift County GA won 3 games in 2 years in (2022-23). They went 3-17. And 2 of those 3 wins were against Gadsden County!!!

Fast forward to 2024, Tift County is the same exact team, going 2-8, this time instead of beating Gadsden like they normally do, Gadsden blows the doors off them 45-7. You don’t change that dramatically in one season organically. 
 

It seems as if you choosing to ignore it because they are a rural public. SMH. 

[Hwy17]

7 hours ago, nolebull813 said:

Haha no you don’t go from laughing stock homecoming team who doesn’t know how to play football at the varsity level losing to 1-win teams to beating state champions, dominating all the best teams around you and marching to the state title with ease almost winning it in one year. That does not happen. 
 

 

Tift County GA won 3 games in 2 years in (2022-23). They went 3-17. And 2 of those 3 wins were against Gadsden County!!!

 

Fast forward to 2024, Tift County is the same exact team, going 2-8, this time instead of beating Gadsden like they normally do, Gadsden blows the doors off them 45-7. You don’t change that dramatically in one season organically. 
 

It seems as if you choosing to ignore it because they are a rural public. SMH. 

I've seen plenty of teams over the years that are loaded with size, speed and good players that can't win a game due to really bad coaching.

[Dr. D]

This is not a home-grown team.  They were 25-45 in the 7 years prior to this year, when they suddenly make it all the way to the 2A state championship game.  A review of their roster shows they added stud players from Godby, Leon, Camden County, Tampa area, etc.  And it doesn't take a ton of studs to make a difference at the 2A level.  Now maybe these players were just exercising "school choice" (and good for them).  And maybe their coach has figured out how to make his program "attractive" to out-of-zone players.  That just seems to be how it goes these days.   

[Hwy17]

8 hours ago, Dr. D said:

This is not a home-grown team.  They were 25-45 in the 7 years prior to this year, when they suddenly make it all the way to the 2A state championship game.  A review of their roster shows they added stud players from Godby, Leon, Camden County, Tampa area, etc.  And it doesn't take a ton of studs to make a difference at the 2A level.  Now maybe these players were just exercising "school choice" (and good for them).  And maybe their coach has figured out how to make his program "attractive" to out-of-zone players.  That just seems to be how it goes these days.   

Either way,  why is it "funny business " as Nolebull put it, when we all know Cocoa has been doing that for years?

[KeemD321]

2 hours ago, Hwy17 said:

Either way,  why is it "funny business " as Nolebull put it, when we all know Cocoa has been doing that for years?

You mean players transferring in to Cocoa to compete? Yes the 2016 team had kids from south brevard and Titusville. But majority of the transfers that come in besides the Quarterbacks the last 6 seasons are kids who were actually zoned for Cocoa but went to schools they weren't zoned for such as the group that transferred from Eau Gallie and Merritt Island. The safety that came from Timber Creek is the son of a Coach/teacher at the school that's been in Cocoa for years. Even when Cocoa had Bruce Judson Jr at QB for 4 years.....he's from West Orlando but again his father Coaches both JV and Varsity for Cocoa since Wilk was there. And no I'm not an alumni. But I have a good handle on what goes on in Brevard 

[THAT S--T WAS FUNNY]

Must be a new "street agent" pipeline up there in the big bend area. 

[DILLARDBOYZ954]

On 1/31/2025 at 4:04 PM, nolebull813 said:

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I remember playing for Dillard we flew to play East St. Louis flyers  in a game Isaac Bruce vs his nfl teammate and his former high school. 
 

great trip. Only for East St. Louis to get fined and had to forfeit their entire season for having 30 ineligible players. 10 was over 19. 
 

One thing I can say they have a huge fan base a nice black inner city high school with tradition. 

[nolebull813]

3 hours ago, THAT S--T WAS FUNNY said:

Must be a new "street agent" pipeline up there in the big bend area. 

Yeah. The crazy thing is coaches in Georgia are accusing them of recruiting. You might see something come out at some point before the season and you’ll remember ole Nolebull was the first on top of it. Lol. 

[Hwy17]

1 hour ago, nolebull813 said:

Yeah. The crazy thing is coaches in Georgia are accusing them of recruiting. You might see something come out at some point before the season and you’ll remember ole Nolebull was the first on top of it. Lol. 

So does that mean FHSAA will suspend their program and then reinstate it a few days later like that one school early this year? Or do they fine the coach and suspend him a few games like they did Sarasota Booker's coach?

[CoachGraham]

When push comes to shove, people who are fans of the Metro/Traditional Power schools are okay with recruiting when it is those schools because "everybody does it," but when it is a rural school it is NOT okay. It is what it is. You can argue against it all you want and deny, deny, deny. We all know it is true. And this isn't about any one person or school in particular (though some of you will surely take it that way...), it is just the way that it is. The rules don't apply to me, but they apply to everyone else!

[nolebull813]

1 hour ago, CoachGraham said:

When push comes to shove, people who are fans of the Metro/Traditional Power schools are okay with recruiting when it is those schools because "everybody does it," but when it is a rural school it is NOT okay. It is what it is. You can argue against it all you want and deny, deny, deny. We all know it is true. And this isn't about any one person or school in particular (though some of you will surely take it that way...), it is just the way that it is. The rules don't apply to me, but they apply to everyone else!

I think the biggest misconception is people think just because kids transfer to a school there has to be recruiting involved and that’s not always the case. In the high concentrated areas like Dade and Broward it’s easy to transfer because there are so many schools in a small area plus all the kids know who the hot hand is. Miami Central doesn’t need to recruit some kid who is good on a bad team. The kid already knows who Miami Central/MNW/BookerT etc is. 

[CoachGraham]

48 minutes ago, nolebull813 said:

I think the biggest misconception is people think just because kids transfer to a school there has to be recruiting involved and that’s not always the case. In the high concentrated areas like Dade and Broward it’s easy to transfer because there are so many schools in a small area plus all the kids know who the hot hand is. Miami Central doesn’t need to recruit some kid who is good on a bad team. The kid already knows who Miami Central/MNW/BookerT etc is. 

It is not always the case. It is the case 90% of the time. You'll defend those schools to death because it is who you are associated with and that is fine. And even IF (and it is not the case most of the time) the kids who "know who the hot hand is"  they are still checking to make sure they're going to have a spot in that school. Those types of kids aren't just thinking "man MNW is really good this year, I'm going to head over there." You bet the mortgage that they reached out to the coaches over there and the coaches say come on....which is still illegal. And that isn't even the case most of the time. Coaches recruit. Even at the smaller schools, they recruit. I've seen it with my own eyes at multiple schools now. The FHSAA and recruiting in Florida is a joke. It is bad in other states, but it is awful here and no one can say otherwise. I had one of my star players this past season get a text from another coach during the season to transfer over. And it was a traditional power school. I have had smaller schools do the same to other players. I am on my way out of FL to head to the Carolinas next year for a bigger job, and I am glad to be leaving. It won't be perfect where I am going, but at least these other associations have some sense. 

[Hwy17]

I'm all for school choice for academic reasons.  I'm ok with transferring when there is a legitimate move into another district or zone. When a parent wants to take their child to a school closer to their work, I can live with that. What we're witnessing is not that. I say screw fhsaa. Leave it, form another and don't look back.

[CoachGraham]

25 minutes ago, Hwy17 said:

I'm all for school choice for academic reasons.  I'm ok with transferring when there is a legitimate move into another district or zone. When a parent wants to take their child to a school closer to their work, I can live with that. What we're witnessing is not that. I say screw fhsaa. Leave it, form another and don't look back.

The problem with "school choice for academic reasons" is that school choice for ATHLETIC reasons happens more often than the academic reasons. Typically. Because if a parent has a problem at MNW, they likely have the same type of problems at MC. If they have the same problems at Gainesville High, they probably have the same problems at Buccholz. If they are having issues at Crestivew, they likely will at Niceville. Of course there are exceptions, but for the most part a MAJORITY of public schools are relatively the same with their own little quirks. If parents don't like the school systems, their kids just go private and at that point school choice is irrelevant when it comes to transferring. But what it does allow is for athletes to jump around from school to school. I am all fine with it if kids/parents want to choose their school as a freshmen. That makes total sense. But once you transfer, unless you can document a parental job movement, you should be required to sit out a year of athletics. It worked before and they changed it to "give the kids the best chance" and it has just caused chaos and problems at every turn. It isn't better for kids to be at a different institution every year. Stability is important at that age. But they have people in their ears and THAT is the issue. It won't change back to how it used to be, and I am not saying it does, but they need to course correct and quickly or they will continue to lose great coaches to Georgia, Alabama, etc. because most I know are fed up with it. And again I know it isn't just a Florida issue, but Florida is among the worst. 

[Perspective]

3 hours ago, CoachGraham said:

 I had one of my star players this past season get a text from another coach during the season to transfer over. And it was a traditional power school. I have had smaller schools do the same to other players.

Coach, I'm going to put you on the spot here, not so much to make you uncomfortable, but more to prove a point I've tried to make before.   When your star players got a text, did you report it to the FHSAA?  Did you get a screenshot of the text and send that to the FHSAA?   If not, why not?  Same questions for when the smaller schools came after your players. 

I've long taken the position that the high school football coaches in Florida share an 'honor among thieves' philosophy.  In other words, not only do they 'know it's going on,' but they see it first hand and have uncontradicted evidence that their kids are being recruited by coaches at other schools.  But, most coaches are reluctant to turn anyone in for fear that someone might start throwing stones at the glass houses they're living in. 

Again, not trying to put you on the spot, but I truly wonder why coaches see the problem with their own eyes, fail to take any action, but then complain about the problem.   Perhaps someone who has made the decision to move and coach elsewhere would be willing to fire a few parting shots as they cross the state line.  

[Hwy17]

2 hours ago, CoachGraham said:

The problem with "school choice for academic reasons" is that school choice for ATHLETIC reasons happens more often than the academic reasons. Typically. Because if a parent has a problem at MNW, they likely have the same type of problems at MC. If they have the same problems at Gainesville High, they probably have the same problems at Buccholz. If they are having issues at Crestivew, they likely will at Niceville. Of course there are exceptions, but for the most part a MAJORITY of public schools are relatively the same with their own little quirks. If parents don't like the school systems, their kids just go private and at that point school choice is irrelevant when it comes to transferring. But what it does allow is for athletes to jump around from school to school. I am all fine with it if kids/parents want to choose their school as a freshmen. That makes total sense. But once you transfer, unless you can document a parental job movement, you should be required to sit out a year of athletics. It worked before and they changed it to "give the kids the best chance" and it has just caused chaos and problems at every turn. It isn't better for kids to be at a different institution every year. Stability is important at that age. But they have people in their ears and THAT is the issue. It won't change back to how it used to be, and I am not saying it does, but they need to course correct and quickly or they will continue to lose great coaches to Georgia, Alabama, etc. because most I know are fed up with it. And again I know it isn't just a Florida issue, but Florida is among the worst. 

I think they should only be allowed to play JV for the first year but we all know that such a rule won't be made. 

FHSAA is beyond being fixed. 

[CoachGraham]

17 hours ago, Perspective said:

Coach, I'm going to put you on the spot here, not so much to make you uncomfortable, but more to prove a point I've tried to make before.   When your star players got a text, did you report it to the FHSAA?  Did you get a screenshot of the text and send that to the FHSAA?   If not, why not?  Same questions for when the smaller schools came after your players. 

I've long taken the position that the high school football coaches in Florida share an 'honor among thieves' philosophy.  In other words, not only do they 'know it's going on,' but they see it first hand and have uncontradicted evidence that their kids are being recruited by coaches at other schools.  But, most coaches are reluctant to turn anyone in for fear that someone might start throwing stones at the glass houses they're living in. 

Again, not trying to put you on the spot, but I truly wonder why coaches see the problem with their own eyes, fail to take any action, but then complain about the problem.   Perhaps someone who has made the decision to move and coach elsewhere would be willing to fire a few parting shots as they cross the state line.  

I did. The first time. Apparently it was unprovable that there was any wrongdoing or recruiting from the accused party. I gave up after that. I saw the texts with my own eyes. 

 

I don't really care what bridges I burn here. I have nothing to lose. If I could get anyone in trouble for their wrongdoings I would. I try to do things the right way because it is the right thing to do. Unfortunately the FHSAA has no backbone. I was truly surprised they did what they did to MC and others. Maybe they are finally heading in the right direction. Hopeful but doubtful. 

[Hwy17]

2 hours ago, CoachGraham said:

I did. The first time. Apparently it was unprovable that there was any wrongdoing or recruiting from the accused party. I gave up after that. I saw the texts with my own eyes. 

 

I don't really care what bridges I burn here. I have nothing to lose. If I could get anyone in trouble for their wrongdoings I would. I try to do things the right way because it is the right thing to do. Unfortunately the FHSAA has no backbone. I was truly surprised they did what they did to MC and others. Maybe they are finally heading in the right direction. Hopeful but doubtful. 

FHSAA is so inconsistent in their enforcement of rules and policies it makes me think somebody is accepting bribes.  

[Perspective]

3 hours ago, CoachGraham said:

I did. The first time. Apparently it was unprovable that there was any wrongdoing or recruiting from the accused party. I gave up after that. I saw the texts with my own eyes. 

 

I don't really care what bridges I burn here. I have nothing to lose. If I could get anyone in trouble for their wrongdoings I would. I try to do things the right way because it is the right thing to do. Unfortunately the FHSAA has no backbone. I was truly surprised they did what they did to MC and others. Maybe they are finally heading in the right direction. Hopeful but doubtful. 

What could be better evidence of recruiting than a text message from a coach of one team to a kid currently playing for another team suggesting that the kid should transfer to the school where the coach is coaching?!?! 

I'd like to think I'm pretty good at coming up with plausible explanations to justify what might otherwise be perceived as wrongful conduct, but I can't for the life of me come up with anything in this case.   Unless there was some relationship between a coach and a kid that existed before the kid started high school (highly unlikely), what possible explanation might exist that would explain how a coach at one school could send a text message -- any text message about any subject -- to kid at another school? 

 

By the way, thanks for responding back.