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[DarterBlue2]

1 hour ago, BrowardHandicapper said:

Armwood last won a state championship in 2004,  in a 49-21 slaughter over Lake Gibson.   They also defeated Lake Gibson in 2003.

 They did beat Lincoln in 2011 but were stripped of that championship.

 

2013, 2014, and 2015 Armwood returned to and  lost at States to a top 25 national Miami Central team in all of those years.

 

But the level of those Miami Central teams had absolutely nothing to do with Armwood not winning state championships those 3 years, right?  

It was 100%, the deteriorated Armwood schedule in those years, right?

 

 

 

They did not beat Lincoln. Lincoln won in a huge upset in a game where Armwood outplayed them. I was at the Citrus Bowl for that game. Maxpreps has probably mischaracterized the results. 

Armwood did beat Miami Central in 2011 when Cook and Yearby were young. However, both teams were subsequently disqualified for using ineligible players (Armwood a DP transfer, among others, who did not reside in the zone, and Central, their QB who resided in Broward County at the time). So there was no champion in 6A that year as Armwood vacated the title. 

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1 minute ago, DarterBlue2 said:

They did not beat Lincoln. Lincoln won in a huge upset in a game where Armwood outplayed them. I was at the Citrus Bowl for that game. Maxpreps has probably mischaracterized the results. 

Armwood did beat Miami Central in 2011 when Cook and Yearby were young. However, both teams were subsequently disqualified for using ineligible players (Armwood a DP transfer, among others, who did not reside in the zone, and Central, their QB who resided in Broward County at the time). So there was no champion in 6A that year as Armwood vacated the title. 

Yeah i was looking at maxpreps and the way they list it confused me 

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Boy has Lincoln fallen off since that game

[BrowardHandicapper]

20 minutes ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

My point i was trying to make was that if they scheduled better teams they would be more ready come playoffs 

 

Take Vero for instance, one of things holding them back is not playing enough competitive teams early and come playoffs they Find themselves in unfamiliar ground and have been unable to pull through it

 

When Vero was playing top competition back in 90s they were far more successful 

They Playoffs is not really Armwood's problem.  In fact I thought they actually had a great overall playoff record?

It's who they are facing when they get to Orlando that is the problem for them.  Maybe they could have made the games closer but a L at states is a L, is a L. 

 

I think stepping up your schedule is more a factor for building your program then winning state championships.  There are teams that schedule solid year in and year out and unfortunately always have similar results in which they cannot even make the post season. 

Take a 8A first round playoff team like Piper for example who has shown improvements to the program the last few years and they amped up their schedule even more this year.  Let's see what it does for them.  Ely has stepped up their schedule this year.  How is that working out for them?

 

What about Columbia?  Columbia usually has had a solid schedule  but a similar end result every year.  

 

Again, I see scheduling as more a factor as building a program, stock, confidence, and respect but at the end of the day you will generally meet your fate to the better team in big games.

 

I'm not denying stepping up your schedule is not a positive factor overall, I just believe it doesn't matter sometimes.  You following 7A football should know that better then anyone.

 

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Just now, BrowardHandicapper said:

They Playoffs is not really Armwood's problem.  In fact I thought they actually had a great overall playoff record?

It's who they are facing when they get to Orlando that is the problem for them.  Maybe they could have made the games closer but a L at states is a L, is a L. 

 

I think stepping up your schedule is more a factor for building your program then winning state championships.  There are teams that schedule solid year in and year out and unfortunately always have similar results in which they cannot even make the post season. 

Take a 8A first round playoff team like Piper for example who has shown improvements to the program the last few years and they amped up their schedule even more this year.  Let's see what it does for them.  Ely has stepped up their schedule this year.  How is that working out for them?

 

What about Columbia?  Columbia usually has had a solid schedule  but a similar end result every year.  

 

Again, I see scheduling as more a factor as building a program, stock, confidence, and respect but at the end of the day you will generally meet your fate to the better team in big games.

 

 

You don't feel that playing a better schedule could make a team be more prepared for the big game? 

 

Yes i agree teams generally lose to better teams in most cases but I've also seen times where a team who plays a more battle tested schedule is more prepared and as a result upsets a team who plays cupcakes

 

When you only play teams below you then you get up against a team close to your talent level and who fights back and you have no experience in that dogfight you basically finished 

[BrowardHandicapper]

4 minutes ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

You don't feel that playing a better schedule could make a team be more prepared for the big game? 

 

Yes i agree teams generally lose to better teams in most cases but I've also seen times where a team who plays a more battle tested schedule is more prepared and as a result upsets a team who plays cupcakes

 

When you only play teams below you then you get up against a team close to your talent level and who fights back and you have no experience in that dogfight you basically finished 

I absolutely do ...but I also feel their is a threshold where it generally does not matter at all.  

Looking at 7A and based on your logic factored with what many feel is down 2017 STA team with a softer then usual schedule we should see change this year since many 7A contenders have stepped up their schedules, right?  We very well could have a new 7A State Champion based on those factors, correct?

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1 minute ago, BrowardHandicapper said:

I absolutely do ...but I also feel their is a threshold where it generally does not matter at all.  

Looking at 7A and based on your logic factored with what many feel is down 2017 STA team with a softer then usual schedule we should see change this year since many 7A contenders have stepped up their schedules, right?  We very well could have a new 7A State Champion based on those factors, correct?

Well we will see soon enough lol

[BrowardHandicapper]

What happened to Oxbridge Academy last year?

What did that scheduling do for them ?

Based on your logic Oxbridge should have been a stronger team heading into the 3A Playoffs after playing the previous 8A Champion, the eventual 6A Champion and IMG.  Explain what happened when they only won one 3A playoff game.

[DarterBlue2]

21 minutes ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

Boy has Lincoln fallen off since that game

They have. It is unfortunate. When I first started following High School football, Lincoln was a premier program.

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2 minutes ago, BrowardHandicapper said:

What happened to Oxbridge Academy last year?

What did that scheduling do for them ?

Based on your logic Oxbridge should have been a stronger team heading into the 3A Playoffs after playing the previous 8A Champion, the eventual 6A Champion and IMG.  Explain what happened when they only won one 3A playoff game.

Well in their case i would reference what was said by several on here in fact i think you stated it

 

Oxbridge went to the well way too much and by playoffs were so beat up and had players at 80% playing a fresh Chaminade team

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1 minute ago, DarterBlue2 said:

They have. It is unfortunate. When I first started following High School football, Lincoln was a premier program.

People thought coaching change would help this year but they don't look any better than last year at this stage, they probably win district but will likely be one and done this year 

[BrowardHandicapper]

Just now, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

People thought coaching change would help this year but they don't look any better than last year at this stage, they probably win district but will likely be one and done this year 

Hasn't Lincoln consistently been playing a very solid schedule the last few years though?

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I still feel oxbridge was better talent wise but guess playing too rough a schedule also a downside 

[Floridatech]

47 minutes ago, BrowardHandicapper said:

That's right. My bad...But my point is the reason Armwood has lost at states has more to do they have faced versus their scheduling IMO.  

Columbia makes it sound as if Armwood's program has slipped in recent years do to a weaker regular season schedule when the fact is Armwood is still one of the top and most consistent programs in FL. 

Exactly 

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Just now, BrowardHandicapper said:

Hasn't Lincoln consistently been playing a very solid schedule the last few years though?

Well 2015 they played Trinity Christian, Camden County, niceville, columbia, and Manatee 

 

2016 they dropped manatee, columbia, and Camden County but also played rickards 

 

So yeah Lincoln plays good schedule but both years they couldn't beat us in 3 tries 

 

Problem with Lincoln is they used to own all the best Tallahassee talent but now Leon keeping some in house,  same with NFC, rickards, godby,  and chiles 

 

If Lincoln could still hold all the top players like before they would be winning 7a north but without them they not the same threat

[BrowardHandicapper]

Take a look at Ponte Vedra's 2016 schedule.  Impressed?  

There 2016 schedule was a joke but because of a healthy, well coached team that the coaching had peaking at the right time they were able to toe to toe with AHP.  Now give Ponte Vedra the 2016 AHP schedule and see if they return to states in that form....

 

You can argue it both ways.  Now Bolles is playing a harder schedule so they should be more successful , because they are "stepping up in competition - right?  

Kind of like Armwood stopped playing a hard schedule which is why they stopped winning state championships, right? 

 

Deerfield Beach always wins their district and always schedules well, what has that done for them in the 8A playoffs? 5 wins in 4 years.

Dillard always schedules well. I could go on and on with teams that have little success in the playoffs but continue to schedule well.

 

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@ColumbiaHighFan2017class  I think you're too hard on Armwood.   I can understand a bit that you might think Armwood always seems to get the benefit of the doubt in preseason rankings and such, but to think they are this completely overrated team is a bit much.   

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I do think BTW might be a bit overlooked, but people are still remembering last year and how they fell off after beating STA.  

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6 minutes ago, 954gator said:

@ColumbiaHighFan2017class  I think you're too hard on Armwood.   I can understand a bit that you might think Armwood always seems to get the benefit of the doubt in preseason rankings and such, but to think they are this completely overrated team is a bit much.   

They are talented but they are always ranked too high preseason 

 

Last year they were coming off being demolished in state championship and were in one of the polls ranked 10th in nation and 2nd in Florida behind only IMG 

 

i don't understand why they always ranked so high when they play weak regular season games and lose in playoffs if they face competition at their level or to a Miami team at state 

 

They basically same level past 4 years but pollsters keep putting them too high 

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2 hours ago, BrowardHandicapper said:

Take a look at Ponte Vedra's 2016 schedule.  Impressed?  

There 2016 schedule was a joke but because of a healthy, well coached team that the coaching had peaking at the right time they were able to toe to toe with AHP.  Now give Ponte Vedra the 2016 AHP schedule and see if they return to states in that form....

 

You can argue it both ways.  Now Bolles is playing a harder schedule so they should be more successful , because they are "stepping up in competition - right?  

Kind of like Armwood stopped playing a hard schedule which is why they stopped winning state championships, right? 

 

Deerfield Beach always wins their district and always schedules well, what has that done for them in the 8A playoffs? 5 wins in 4 years.

Dillard always schedules well. I could go on and on with teams that have little success in the playoffs but continue to schedule well.

 

Hmm ponte vedra schedule does appear to be weak last year but as we know they proved to be good by taking AHP to the limit

 

Bolles schedule seems to be balanced, not nessisarly loaded but decent we will see how they handle 5a and more specifically tca this week

 

Deerfield has so much talent but never can seem to get things going in playoffs 

 

Dillard again good team but playoffs are not their friend as of late

[BrowardHandicapper]

1 hour ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

They are talented but they are always ranked too high preseason 

 

Last year they were coming off being demolished in state championship and were in one of the polls ranked 10th in nation and 2nd in Florida behind only IMG 

 

i don't understand why they always ranked so high when they play weak regular season games and lose in playoffs if they face competition at their level or to a Miami team at state 

 

They basically same level past 4 years but pollsters keep putting them too high 

Tell me all the teams in North Florida that played harder schedules then Armwood  that would have beat Miami Central in those 3 years?

 

TCA wins state championships did not play much better of schedule then Armwood in those 3 years and and are also highly touted FL and nationally -  every year.  Even more so then Armwood.   Why are you not bashing TCA?

Because winning 3A states is so much more impressive then losing to Miami Central during  that 3 year run???

[BrowardHandicapper]

5 minutes ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

Hmm ponte vedra schedule does appear to be weak last year but as we know they proved to be good by taking AHP to the limit

 

Bolles schedule seems to be balanced, not nessisarly loaded but decent we will see how they handle 5a and more specifically tca this week

 

Deerfield has so much talent but never can seem to get things going in playoffs 

 

Dillard again good team but playoffs are not their friend as of late

Are you kidding me????

Look at their regular season...

Armwood has to beat Lake Gibson to punch a ticket to states and Ponte Vedra has to beat Clay to get to Orlando.

Brilliant....

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3 minutes ago, BrowardHandicapper said:

Tell me all the teams in North Florida that played harder schedules then Armwood  that would have beat Miami Central in those 3 years?

 

TCA wins state championships did not play much better of schedule then Armwood in those 3 years and and are also highly touted FL and nationally -  every year.  Even more so then Armwood.   Why are you not bashing TCA?

Because winning 3A states is so much more impressive then losing to Miami Central during  that 3 year run???

I don't remember tca every being ranked number 1 among Florida classification teams 

[BrowardHandicapper]

1 minute ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

I don't remember tca every being ranked number 1 among Florida classification teams 

I don't know what poll you are looking at, or if you broke into your neighbor's moonshine stash,  but we all know it was not a good one if Armwood was ranked 1.  

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Just now, BrowardHandicapper said:

Are you kidding me????

Look at their regular season...

Armwood has to beat Lake Gibson to punch a tickets to states and Ponte Vedra has to beat Clay to get to Orlando.

Brilliant....

Did you ever see me say ponte vedra played a good schedule? 

 

Please quote otherwise

 

I said ponte vedra proved they deserved to be there when they took AHP to limit but yes their schedule was weak,  maybe we see how well ponte vedra program is built now that Bolles and Trinity Christian in their district and ponte vedra don't have Mr football at qb like they did last year