Jump to content

Recommended Posts

Posted

Help me out football family , because I was up under the impression that for the last few years since BROWARD started the BROWARD vs USA weekend , my understanding was all games always took place week 1. Which mean the results go on each team record wether they won or lost. 
 

but I was just speaking to a “Trusted Source” because I was asking him who do we have for KOC, and he said Dr.Philips, but on the broward vs USA showcase website it has us playing Dr.Philips in the showcase. 
 

so I guess my question is , is this showcase week 1 of the regular season, or is it KOC for all teams, unless they’re playing a team from out of state.

Because when Dillard played rock creek out of Baltimore In 2022 in the showcase. That went on our record. @nolebull813 @FBGUY1989 


Posted
5 minutes ago, DILLARDBOYZ954 said:

Help me out football family , because I was up under the impression that for the last few years since BROWARD started the BROWARD vs USA weekend , my understanding was all games always took place week 1. Which mean the results go on each team record wether they won or lost. 
 

 

but I was just speaking to a “Trusted Source” because I was asking him who do we have for KOC, and he said Dr.Philips, but on the broward vs USA showcase website it has us playing Dr.Philips in the showcase. 
 

 

so I guess my question is , is this showcase week 1 of the regular season, or is it KOC for all teams, unless they’re playing a team from out of state.

Because when Dillard played rock creek out of Baltimore In 2022 in the showcase. That went on our record. @nolebull813 @FBGUY1989 

I thought that the classic happened same week of KOC but counted towards record due to it being against an out of state opponent, just like when we have teams play the week of KOC out of state with those games counting. So since it's against an in-state opponent they may just treat those type of games in the classic as KOC games. Unless those games counted last year 

Posted
6 minutes ago, KeemD321 said:

I thought that the classic happened same week of KOC but counted towards record due to it being against an out of state opponent, just like when we have teams play the week of KOC out of state with those games counting. So since it's against an in-state opponent they may just treat those type of games in the classic as KOC games. Unless those games counted last year 

Ok so the showcase always happen during the KOC week ? If so that means the regular season starts August 29tj correct ? 
 

if that’s the case then that make sense why our game In 2022 counted against our record because rock creek was a out of state opponent.

and being that we play Dr Philips this year. Even tho they will be an out of county opponent, they’re still a Florida team so the game won’t count. 

Posted
5 minutes ago, DILLARDBOYZ954 said:

Ok so the showcase always happen during the KOC week ? If so that means the regular season starts August 29tj correct ? 
 

if that’s the case then that make sense why our game In 2022 counted against our record because rock creek was a out of state opponent.

and being that we play Dr Philips this year. Even tho they will be an out of county opponent, they’re still a Florida team so the game won’t count. 

Yea at least that's my assumption. Im sure someone here knows for sure

Posted

Let's stick with 2025 and FHSAA teams.  Preseason Kickoff Classic Games must be played on August 14-16 (i.e. Week 0).  The first regular season playing date (Week 1) is August 21.  Below is the schedule for the Broward County National Showcase.  Any game played on or after August 21 counts as a regular season game for FHSAA teams.

August 21 – Piper (Florida) vs. Peachtree Ridge (Georgia), 4 p.m. at Dillard HS

August 21 – Archbishop McCarthy (Florida) at Cardinal Gibbons (Florida), 7 p.m.

August 21 – Monarch (Florida) vs. Bolles School (Florida), 8 p.m. at Dillard HS

August 22 – Corner Canyon (Utah) vs. West Broward (Florida), 4 p.m. at Dillard HS

August 22 – American Heritage (Plantation, Florida) vs. St. Joseph’s Prep (Pennsylvania), 7 p.m. at St. Thomas Aquinas HS

August 22 – Dr. Phillips (Florida) at Dillard (Florida), 8 p.m.

August 23 – Mater Dei (California) at St. Thomas Aquinas (Florida), 4 p.m.

August 23 – Chaminade-Madonna (Florida) vs. St. Frances Academy (Maryland), 8 p.m. at St. Thomas Aquinas HS

Posted

From my understanding I've always thought KOC games didn't count towards your record and if you win that game and go undefeated that gives you 16-0 record at the end of the season. I know in 2022 Northwestern played Jones and won but it didn't count towards their season. However, I know Chaminade is playing West Boca Raton on August 14th and I'm sure West Boca Raton wants to beat Chaminade and have it on their schedule. 

Posted
6 hours ago, Dr. D said:

Let's stick with 2025 and FHSAA teams.  Preseason Kickoff Classic Games must be played on August 14-16 (i.e. Week 0).  The first regular season playing date (Week 1) is August 21.  Below is the schedule for the Broward County National Showcase.  Any game played on or after August 21 counts as a regular season game for FHSAA teams.

August 21 – Piper (Florida) vs. Peachtree Ridge (Georgia), 4 p.m. at Dillard HS

August 21 – Archbishop McCarthy (Florida) at Cardinal Gibbons (Florida), 7 p.m.

August 21 – Monarch (Florida) vs. Bolles School (Florida), 8 p.m. at Dillard HS

August 22 – Corner Canyon (Utah) vs. West Broward (Florida), 4 p.m. at Dillard HS

August 22 – American Heritage (Plantation, Florida) vs. St. Joseph’s Prep (Pennsylvania), 7 p.m. at St. Thomas Aquinas HS

August 22 – Dr. Phillips (Florida) at Dillard (Florida), 8 p.m.

August 23 – Mater Dei (California) at St. Thomas Aquinas (Florida), 4 p.m.

August 23 – Chaminade-Madonna (Florida) vs. St. Frances Academy (Maryland), 8 p.m. at St. Thomas Aquinas HS

So that game does count. So it’s still unclear who we have for KOC lol

Posted
16 hours ago, FBGUY1989 said:

From my understanding I've always thought KOC games didn't count towards your record and if you win that game and go undefeated that gives you 16-0 record at the end of the season. I know in 2022 Northwestern played Jones and won but it didn't count towards their season. However, I know Chaminade is playing West Boca Raton on August 14th and I'm sure West Boca Raton wants to beat Chaminade and have it on their schedule. 

From what i remember they only count against your record if playing OOS or against an OOS team. Basically just have an extra bye week

Posted
1 hour ago, KeemD321 said:

From what i remember they only count against your record if playing OOS or against an OOS team. Basically just have an extra bye week

Pretty much what I gathered above. Kick off classic games are to be played by no later then aug 15. 
 

being that the broward vs USA showcase starts August 21st-23rd, that means that every game being played on that week is officially your week 1 game, which will go on your record. 

Posted

Kickoff classics never counted toward your record. They were used as the “11th game” so you can knock the rust off before starting the season. 
 

If you traveled out of state during the KoC week, you forfeited your “11th game” and that game counted towards your 10 game regular season record. 
 

However if the OOS team came to Florida, then the game didn’t count and was considered a preseason game. 
 

But I think now the FHSAA just said flat out that any game under any circumstance during the preseason week doesn’t count toward your record 

Posted
2 hours ago, nolebull813 said:

Also I think Florida over the last few years has moved the season up a week so a game being so early like August 21st doesn’t look right. Lol. But it is 

lol right. I think the kick off class is rules are still the same, I think the biggest question mark was, was the broward vs USA showcase during kickoff classic week or the week after which would be week 1 

and the answer I’m getting is the KOC is the week before the broward vs USA showcase which will be aug 13-15 & the showcase will be the 21-23

Posted
9 hours ago, DILLARDBOYZ954 said:

Pretty much what I gathered above. Kick off classic games are to be played by no later then aug 15. 
 

being that the broward vs USA showcase starts August 21st-23rd, that means that every game being played on that week is officially your week 1 game, which will go on your record. 

So do you want the Dr. Phillips game to count on Dillard schedule.

Posted
1 hour ago, FBGUY1989 said:

So do you want the Dr. Phillips game to count on Dillard schedule.

Don’t matter to me either way, long as we will. But for SOS purposes when it comes to playoff seeding I want the game to count. 

Posted
16 hours ago, DILLARDBOYZ954 said:

lol right. I think the kick off class is rules are still the same, I think the biggest question mark was, was the broward vs USA showcase during kickoff classic week or the week after which would be week 1 

and the answer I’m getting is the KOC is the week before the broward vs USA showcase which will be aug 13-15 & the showcase will be the 21-23

The Broward event was never during the preseason week. It always counted as week 1 games 

Posted
5 hours ago, nolebull813 said:

The Broward event was never during the preseason week. It always counted as week 1 games 

Exactly. That’s what I always assumed. That’s why when I was asking one of the sources connected to the football team who do we have for KOC ; And he said Dr.philips. That threw me through a loop because I’m already knowing we play Dr.philips in the showcase, which made me pause. Like hold up since when did the showcase take place on the week of KOC. 
 

so I still don’t know who we play for KOC , it has went from norland, to dr.Philips.

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...


  • Posts

    • Larry Blustein podcast link talking about this event: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/south-florida-high-school-sports-radio/id993198627?i=1000717251522
    • I suddenly wish Bridgewater had known he was breaking the rules and kept it on the DL.  He obviously cares a lot about that program and those kids.  Hate to see a guy who cares like that get taken down while the true cheaters are out there doing their thing.
    • Yes, the free market should be allowed to draw the lines between amateurism and professionalism. The beauty of playing strictly for the love of the game will certainly be allowed to persist. And, kids and adults alike play A LOT of games for fun as it is. See adult rec leagues, intramurals etc. This includes those who've been able to become wealthy through playing the sport as well!  I think that, eventually, people like most all of us are going to recognize that it is preposterous to have teenagers getting paid to play high school sports, and/or get a free college education along with the extra compensation. Most of us have been fans of the game and of the school, not the "star" athletes. In the long run, I don't think there will be much of a market for paid teenager athletes. But, if someone is willing to part with their $ to allow a kid to be less poor, and that means that School A easily crushes the competition, I don't think that's a bad thing. It IS a thing that will cause a great many people to lose interest. And that will in turn diminish the market, which will of course mean kids aren't making any money anyway. At issue, as I keep harping on, is the fact that the "big time" sports world where NIL money is available is an entirely different, beast of an animal that K-12 schools and even universities are not equipped to manage. Nor should they be. Big time, for profit sports should be separated from schools. The mission of the two entities is competely misaligned. 
    • It is somewhat understandable for a guy who's passionate about the sport, and who reached very close to the pinnacle of it, to be dismissive of the many dimwits making the rules who have none of the above characteristics. And, he may also be considering the possibility that calling attention to the (perhaps) absurd nature of the rules and/or the dearth of funding in high school football may be worth it in the big picture. He's almost certainly going to have the opportunity to coach at the higher levels, and is not likely to be at Norhwestern for very long, anyway. He may make a bigger impact long-term/big picture doing this sort of thing than just winning a couple state titles and jetting.
    • I think the argument is this:  if 'free adults are allowed to give gifts to poor kids who happen to be good at sports,' we move from an amateur environment into a professional environment.   Historically, high school sports, college sports and even the Olympics were reserved solely for amateur athletes.  Within the last couple of decades, the barriers for professionals started to erode for the Olympics.   You may recall that Jim Thorpe won gold medals in track in the 1912 Olympics, but was stripped of those medals because he had played minor league (or "semipro") baseball prior to participating in the Olympics.   Ultimately, those medals were restored a few years ago.  The USA Olympic basketball team used to be comprised only of college players.  Now, it's all pros (with one or two college stars).  Within the last 5-10 years, NIL changes have permitted college athletes to receive compensation. Before then, the rules in place for decades allowed college student-athletes to receive room, board and tuition.  The $100 post-game handshakes from alums in the locker room and brown paper bags filled with money - although they happened everywhere - were illegal (and arguably still are; they just don't happen as much because the athletes can receive money legally through NIL). The NIL world is quickly filtering down to the high school level.  However, the rules in most all states, and certainly in Florida, are rooted in the concept that only amateur athletes can compete in high school sports.   And if you allow athletes to receive gifts, or otherwise compensate them or their families, such athletes are no longer considered amateurs.   Simply put, the rules has always been that if you get compensated to do play a sport, you are considered a professional.  And professionals cannot participate in amateur sports.  Again, the rules in place (FHSAA Rules) are rooted in a clear distinction between amateur sports and professional sports.  There was a clear line that is slowly becoming more and more blurred. If you want the argument as to why the rule makes sense, I think it is this:   there is a certain beauty in amateur sports, knowing that everyone who is playing is playing for the love of the game and not for money.  Everything changes once you start compensating athletes.  As I have stated before, the concept of compensation is a slippery slope.  What do you allow and what don't you?   FHSAA rules prohibiting impermissible benefits were written before Uber even existed. But the rule is pretty clear:  if you give something to football players that you don't give to all other students, that's an impermissible benefit - especially if the benefit is given to entice a kid to come to your school.   If you allow schools/coaches/alums to compensate kids to play sports, then you take away the somewhat-level playing field.  And, over time, certain schools will dominate high school sports because they will have the financial wherewithal to attract the most talented athletes.  While this might be good for the handful of select, talented athletes, everyone else suffers.   I guess the real question is whether we just want to eliminate the distinction between amateur athletics and professional athletics altogether and simply allow the free-market system to play out for all athletes and all schools?  If you're inclined to answer this question with a "yes," I have only six words for you:  be careful what you wish for.   
  • Popular Contributors

×
×
  • Create New...