Inter-classification Results - Updated

[LAZ]

952 games played thus far between schools from different classifications.

7A	vs	CL	W	-	L
		6A	28	-	30
		5A	15	-	17
		4A	17	-	22
		3A	16	-	11
		2A	6	-	3
		1A	2	-	4
		Rur	1	-	2
		Ind	15	-	6
		SSA	3	-	3
			103	-	98
6A	vs	CL	W	-	L
		7A	30	-	28
		5A	31	-	24
		4A	29	-	21
		3A	22	-	12
		2A	7	-	15
		1A	1	-	2
		Rur	1	-	3
		Ind	9	-	2
		SSA	1	-	1
			131	-	108
5A	vs	CL	W	-	L
		7A	17	-	15
		6A	24	-	31
		4A	30	-	22
		3A	30	-	21
		2A	5	-	10
		1A	4	-	5
		Rur	4	-	2
		Ind	9	-	1
		SSA	0	-	2
			123	-	109
4A	vs	CL	W	-	L
		7A	22	-	17
		6A	21	-	29
		5A	22	-	30
		3A	31	-	24
		2A	13	-	14
		1A	9	-	6
		Rur	2	-	1
		Ind	6	-	3
		SSA	3	-	5
			129	-	129
3A	vs	CL	W	-	L
		7A	11	-	16
		6A	12	-	22
		5A	21	-	30
		4A	24	-	31
		2A	15	-	18
		1A	8	-	3
		Rur	4	-	8
		Ind	9	-	3
		SSA	8	-	9
			112	-	140
2A	vs	CL	W	-	L
		7A	3	-	6
		6A	15	-	7
		5A	10	-	5
		4A	14	-	13
		3A	18	-	15
		1A	16	-	24
		Rur	11	-	10
		Ind	5	-	3
		SSA	11	-	11
			103	-	94
1A	vs	CL	W	-	L
		7A	4	-	2
		6A	2	-	1
		5A	5	-	4
		4A	6	-	9
		3A	3	-	8
		2A	24	-	16
		Rur	10	-	6
		Ind	12	-	7
		SSA	23	-	13
			89	-	66
Rur	vs	CL	W	-	L
		7A	2	-	1
		6A	3	-	1
		5A	2	-	4
		4A	1	-	2
		3A	8	-	4
		2A	10	-	11
		1A	6	-	10
		Ind	6	-	2
		SSA	14	-	14
			52	-	49
Ind	vs	CL	W	-	L
		7A	6	-	15
		6A	2	-	9
		5A	1	-	9
		4A	3	-	6
		3A	3	-	9
		2A	3	-	5
		1A	7	-	12
		Rur	2	-	6
		SSA	6	-	19
			33	-	90
SSA	vs	CL	W	-	L
		7A	3	-	3
		6A	1	-	1
		5A	2	-	0
		4A	5	-	3
		3A	9	-	8
		2A	11	-	11
		1A	13	-	23
		Rur	14	-	14
		Ind	19	-	6
			77	-	69

 

[nolebull813]

I like it. Rural proving they don’t need their special own little class. The main thing I get from all this, is there is way too many classes. 

[Ray Icaza]

59 minutes ago, nolebull813 said:

I like it. Rural proving they don’t need their special own little class. The main thing I get from all this, is there is way too many classes. 

Don't need 7A as well as they have a losing record against 4A, 5A & 6A.  

[Dr. D]

1 hour ago, nolebull813 said:

I like it. Rural proving they don’t need their special own little class. The main thing I get from all this, is there is way too many classes. 

While there may be too many classes, the main takeaway is that school enrollment is not a predictor of success on the field, and therefore school enrollment should not be the basis for classification.  Fix the classification process (if you want more balanced and equitable competition), and then you can adjust the number of classes to whatever number suits your fancy.    

[LAZ]

This is just a tiny sample guys. I’ve kept similar data going back to the early 2000’s. 
i have it year by year for roughly 20+ years. It’s always the same. Thousands of games. Whether we have 6 classifications or 8. The bigger schools win 53% and the smaller 47%. Mark Cannon can testify. When I raise this point, it gets swept under the carpet and the next thing you know, we have more classifications. Of course some whiners then start arguing about Private vs Public. Sure, there are powerhouse private schools. But the fact is there are many Private schools that are just not good. Public schools are the same way. Some annual powerhouses but also many that aren’t good either.  In my mind, there should be no more than four classifications and then the SSAA as a fifth option.  The best format we’ve had for balanced competitiveness was a few years ago (Metro/Suburban). I have data that supports this. 

[nolebull813]

Yes, the records by themselves are somewhat out of context. Because powerhouses in the small classes can beat the tar out of average to below average large schools.

No one ever cries when the public’s beat the privates. The outrage only goes in one direction.

i remember a 2nd round loser in rural beat the 2A private school state champ. No one said a word. Countless of examples. 
 

They need to cut the classes to 5, and have an open championship for any team who gets 5-7 NET (agree on a number) of football transfers. Emphasis on net. Because if you lose 10 guys, 5 isn’t really doing as much as if you lost no one. 
 

If you don’t like it, go to the SSAA or independent. Let stop the participation trophies and watered down blowouts 

[LAZ]

Taking a look back to last season, there were 1540 interclass games played which I will show below. I decided to take a closer look at the games between Classes 1A thru 7A because outside of that it's difficult to determine school size. There are many independent schools that are very large. I took all the schools from 1A to 6A (Obviously no school from 7A is included) who beat larger schools from higher classifications, and this is what I found:

In 2024 there were 360 schools in Classes 1A - 6A. Of that group, 228 "different" schools (63%) beat at least one team from a higher classification. This is a sure sign that there are way too many classifications. That number should be less than half of that.  Also, I have a list of those 228 schools and who they beat from higher classifications if anyone wants to see it.

Anyway, here are the numbers from 2024. (1540 interclass games)

7A	vs	CL	W	-	L
		6A	50	-	52
		5A	24	-	29
		4A	31	-	31
		3A	19	-	20
		2A	13	-	12
		1A	5	-	6
		Rur	1	-	5
		Ind	27	-	8
		SSA	4	-	3
			174	-	166
6A	vs	CL	W	-	L
		7A	52	-	50
		5A	48	-	40
		4A	42	-	33
		3A	28	-	22
		2A	13	-	18
		1A	9	-	6
		Rur	2	-	5
		Ind	10	-	6
		SSA	1	-	1
			205	-	181
5A	vs	CL	W	-	L
		7A	29	-	24
		6A	40	-	48
		4A	36	-	37
		3A	50	-	33
		2A	17	-	19
		1A	7	-	8
		Rur	3	-	4
		Ind	11	-	4
		SSA	2	-	1
			195	-	178
4A	vs	CL	W	-	L
		7A	31	-	31
		6A	33	-	42
		5A	37	-	36
		3A	55	-	31
		2A	23	-	26
		1A	8	-	14
		Rur	5	-	2
		Ind	10	-	8
		SSA	7	-	5
			209	-	195
3A	vs	CL	W	-	L
		7A	20	-	19
		6A	22	-	28
		5A	33	-	50
		4A	31	-	55
		2A	24	-	28
		1A	19	-	6
		Rur	8	-	11
		Ind	9	-	11
		SSA	9	-	9
			175	-	217
2A	vs	CL	W	-	L
		7A	12	-	13
		6A	18	-	13
		5A	19	-	17
		4A	26	-	23
		3A	28	-	24
		1A	33	-	24
		Rur	25	-	17
		Ind	11	-	8
		SSA	10	-	16
			182	-	155
1A	vs	CL	W	-	L
		7A	6	-	5
		6A	6	-	9
		5A	8	-	7
		4A	14	-	8
		3A	6	-	19
		2A	24	-	33
		Rur	9	-	17
		Ind	26	-	18
		SSA	27	-	20
			126	-	136
Rur	vs	CL	W	-	L
		7A	5	-	1
		6A	5	-	2
		5A	4	-	3
		4A	2	-	5
		3A	11	-	8
		2A	17	-	25
		1A	17	-	9
		Ind	13	-	6
		SSA	19	-	15
			93	-	74
Ind	vs	CL	W	-	L
		7A	8	-	27
		6A	6	-	10
		5A	4	-	11
		4A	8	-	10
		3A	11	-	9
		2A	8	-	11
		1A	18	-	26
		Rur	6	-	13
		SSA	14	-	28
			83	-	145
SSA	vs	CL	W	-	L
		7A	3	-	4
		6A	1	-	1
		5A	1	-	2
		4A	5	-	7
		3A	9	-	9
		2A	16	-	10
		1A	20	-	27
		Rur	15	-	19
		Ind	28	-	14
			98	-	93

[nolebull813]

The 2 hardest things keeping Florida from cutting down the classes like they should are the FHSAA, because more brackets means more gate money from extra playoff games. And the coaches/AD’s who want an easier road. Coaches and AD’s are going to want the path to least resistance because it’s job security and legacy on the line. Hell they would probably all be for more classes! 
 

The only positive I can find is the extra games with there being extra brackets is more exposure for kids for college. 
 

The negative is it makes a lot more wasted blowouts and teams advancing further than they ever would if the brackets were trimmed down like they are supposed to be.

So bottom line is the extra exposure for kids worth the poor product and wasted blowouts?

[Dr. D]

2 hours ago, LAZ said:

 

Anyway, here are the numbers from 2024. (1540 interclass games)

7A	vs	CL	W	-	L
			174	-	166
6A	vs	CL	W	-	L
			205	-	181
5A	vs	CL	W	-	L
			195	-	178
4A	vs	CL	W	-	L
			209	-	195
3A	vs	CL	W	-	L
			175	-	217
2A	vs	CL	W	-	L
			182	-	155
1A	vs	CL	W	-	L
			126	-	136

Since there is no statistically significant difference in the 2024 won-loss records of the 7 classes (by chi-square test), it implies that there are "good", "average", and "mediocre" teams within each class.  The first step to achieve competitive balance is to redistribute all the "good" teams into their own classes, the "average" teams into their own classes, and the "mediocre" teams into their own classes; either by past performance, computer rankings, promotion/relegation or, however.  Florida actually has more teams per class than just about any state besides Texas and California.  And for the reasons @nolebull813  correctly points out, the likelihood of the FHSAA reducing the number of classes is basically zero.  So let's at least try to be realistic, and move away from the enrollment-based classifications to improve competitive equity, which in the long run would be much better for the health of Florida high school football.