Private vs. Public through Week 7

[LAZ]

Criteria:

Florida schools only.

Forfeit Wins and losses are not included.

Charter Schools are included in the public school category for this exercise. 

300 games played between Private and Public schools through October 7th.

Private 197-103 .657

Public 103-197 .343

 

Oh man, I can hear it now.

 

 

 

 

[Ray Icaza]

14 minutes ago, LAZ said:

Criteria:

Florida schools only.

Forfeit Wins and losses are not included.

Charter Schools are included in the public school category for this exercise. 

300 games played between Private and Public schools through October 7th.

Private 197-103 .657

Public 103-197 .343

 

Oh man, I can hear it now.

 

 

 

 

No worries, Nolebull will surely find a rationale to come in the defense of the privates.

[MarkECannon]

I shake with fear when Nolebull comes down from his palace in the Appalachians to address us mortals on this topic.  

[Dr. D]

3 hours ago, LAZ said:

Criteria:

Florida schools only.

Forfeit Wins and losses are not included.

Charter Schools are included in the public school category for this exercise. 

300 games played between Private and Public schools through October 7th.

Private 197-103 .657

Public 103-197 .343

 

Oh man, I can hear it now.

 

 

 

 

Not much to hear.

Large sample size; statistically significant finding; facts don't lie.  Thanks for confirming the obvious.

[nolebull813]

Chaminade beat McArthur, Western, Edison and Monarch. 
 

STA beat Western, Boyd Anderson, Hollywood Hills and McArthur 

AHP beat Plantation and Flanagan

Bolles beat Oakleaf, Monarch and Baldwin

Jesuit beat Blake, University and soon 3 more garbage publics. 
 

 

These teams are doo doo. And there are tons of examples like this. 
 

maxpreps has their top 25 and no including IMG, they have 7 privates and 18 publics. 
 

Plus publics win more titles than privates. so tell me again how the privates rule the roost?

[nolebull813]

Blountstown in rural win 56-3

57-13

60-13

38-7

58-22

58-6

 

all against other rural teams. Not a peep. 
 

But back when NFC and UC finally started winning after decades of small public dominance…..

 

no fair!!!!!! We need our own special class!!!!!!!!

get the hell out of here. The top rural teams beat the living crap out of the bad rural teams and no one says a word. But when private schools were beating publics all hell breaks loose. 
 

spare me the fake outrage 

[nolebull813]

41 minutes ago, Dr. D said:

Not much to hear.

Large sample size; statistically significant finding; facts don't lie.  Thanks for confirming the obvious.

Not really. There is no context. I just listed the top privates in the entire state and they beat some of the worst publics in the state. 
 

 

[nolebull813]

Columbus and STA are the only private schools playing football in the TOP 3 CLASSIFICATIONS!!!!! 
 

Think about that. Out of about 180 teams in the top 3 classes, only 2 are private. 
 

Seems like they need to add a multiplier for the smaller successful teams. 

[nolebull813]

Just checked 4A. Only 4 of 66.

So the 4 biggest classes in the entire state have 6 privates and about 225 publics give or take. 
 

So the FHSAA has quietly just regulated the small classes as defacto private classes and the top 4 classes as the public ones 

[nolebull813]

I know @PinellasFB has brought it up but no one else cried when West Boca has a transfer all star team and won state. How Venice lives off transfers in their championship years. Same with Lakeland. They were a Polk County all star team for decades. Armwood and Plant got the pick of the litter in the Tampa Bay Area when they combined for 7 titles in 10 or so years. 
 

Im so sick of all the crying and whining. Florida has changed the rules that there is no more advantages. Everyone can accumulate talent the same way as everyone else 

[Dr. D]

48 minutes ago, nolebull813 said:

Not really. There is no context. I just listed the top privates in the entire state and they beat some of the worst publics in the state. 
 

 

The context of LAZ's study is this: His statistically valid findings show that the lopsided won-loss record is not the result of random chance.  If coaching, talent, resources, etc. were evenly distributed among these public and private schools, the results should approach a 50-50 won-loss result.  So, something is clearly different between the public and private schools involved in these 300 games.  You have conveniently cherry-picked a handful of games involving a handful of teams while ignoring the results of the other 290 games.  A rational view would suggest that coaching, talent, resources, etc. are not evenly distributed among ALL the public and private schools in the state, leading to the superior result of private schools in head-to-head competition with public schools.  Coincidentally, when was the last time you saw a public school receive a gift like this: https://floridahsfootball.com/2025/10/08/dream-finders-homes-donates-6-million-for-new-bolles-athletic-performance-center/

[Ray Icaza]

45 minutes ago, nolebull813 said:

I know @PinellasFB has brought it up but no one else cried when West Boca has a transfer all star team and won state. How Venice lives off transfers in their championship years. Same with Lakeland. They were a Polk County all star team for decades. Armwood and Plant got the pick of the litter in the Tampa Bay Area when they combined for 7 titles in 10 or so years. 
 

Im so sick of all the crying and whining. Florida has changed the rules that there is no more advantages. Everyone can accumulate talent the same way as everyone else 

Sorry to disagree that just because we aren't constantly "CRYING & WHINING" that we think that recruiting is okay or that certain schools be it private or public do have certain advantages over others.   We knew that stories around the team West Boca built are disturbing, but complaining wasn't going to help us win we had to play the game and we did.  So if your school's goal is to win a championship all the selective examples you state don't get to the heart of the matter.  Those elite teams win the championships and the fact remains ONLY 14% of students in FL attend private schools as opposed to 86% public.  Yet those few private schools in that elite category make up 50% of the top 10 currently in MaxPreps and will win at least half of the titles.  COINCIDENCE???  Get a grip NOLE!!!

[LAZ]

I simply provide the data. I'll leave the analysis to the expert(s).

Pvt	ABF Academy (Hialeah)	def	Pub	Somerset SASH (Homestead)	by	26
Pvt	American Heritage (Delray Beach)	def	Pub	Somerset Prep (North Lauderdale)	by	54
Pvt	American Heritage (Delray Beach)	def	Pub	Somerset Canyons (Boynton Beach)	by	3
Pvt	American Heritage (Plantation)	def	Pub	Flanagan (Pembroke Pines)	by	31
Pvt	American Heritage (Plantation)	def	Pub	Plantation	by	15
Pvt	Archbishop McCarthy (Southwest Ranches)	def	Pub	Somerset Canyons (Boynton Beach)	by	41
Pvt	Archbishop McCarthy (Southwest Ranches)	def	Pub	Miami Norland	by	7
Pvt	Belen Jesuit (Miami)	def	Pub	BPVG (Miami)	by	47
Pvt	Belen Jesuit (Miami)	def	Pub	Southwest Miami	by	42
Pvt	Benjamin (Palm Beach Gardens)	def	Pub	Seminole Ridge (Loxahatchee)	by	14
Pvt	Berkeley Prep (Tampa)	def	Pub	Bloomingdale (Valrico)	by	13
Pvt	Bishop Kenny (Jacksonville)	def	Pub	Terry Parker (Jacksonville)	by	42
Pvt	Bishop Kenny (Jacksonville)	def	Pub	Rickards (Tallahassee)	by	42
Pvt	Bishop Kenny (Jacksonville)	def	Pub	Tocoi Creek (St Augustine)	by	21
Pvt	Bishop McLaughlin (Spring Hill)	def	Pub	Discovery (Lake Alfred)	by	28
Pvt	Bishop McLaughlin (Spring Hill)	def	Pub	Cornerstone Classical (Jacksonville)	by	18
Pvt	Bishop Moore (Orlando)	def	Pub	Mount Dora	by	36
Pvt	Bishop Moore (Orlando)	def	Pub	Oviedo	by	33
Pvt	Bishop Moore (Orlando)	def	Pub	Bartow	by	9
Pvt	Bishop Snyder (Jacksonville)	def	Pub	Cornerstone Classical (Jacksonville)	by	5
Pvt	Bishop Verot (Fort Myers)	def	Pub	Oasis (Cape Coral)	by	43
Pvt	Bishop Verot (Fort Myers)	def	Pub	Homestead	by	33
Pvt	Bishop Verot (Fort Myers)	def	Pub	True North (Miami)	by	10
Pvt	Boca Raton Christian	def	Pub	Babcock (Punta Gorda)	by	40
Pvt	Boca Raton Christian	def	Pub	Gateway Charter (Fort Myers)	by	33
Pvt	Boca Raton Christian	def	Pub	Somerset Key (Deerfield Beach)	by	18
Pvt	Bolles (Jacksonville)	def	Pub	Oakleaf (Orange Park)	by	32
Pvt	Bolles (Jacksonville)	def	Pub	Baldwin	by	24
Pvt	Bolles (Jacksonville)	def	Pub	Monarch (Coconut Creek)	by	19
Pvt	Calvary Christian (Clearwater)	def	Pub	Palm Harbor University	by	34
Pvt	Calvary Christian (Clearwater)	def	Pub	Lely (Naples)	by	4
Pvt	Calvary Christian (Fort Lauderdale)	def	Pub	Somerset Prep (North Lauderdale)	by	40
Pvt	Calvary Christian (Fort Lauderdale)	def	Pub	North Miami	by	4
Pvt	Canterbury (Ft. Myers)	def	Pub	Babcock (Punta Gorda)	by	41
Pvt	Cardinal Gibbons (Fort Lauderdale)	def	Pub	South Broward (Hollywood)	by	46
Pvt	Cardinal Gibbons (Fort Lauderdale)	def	Pub	Hallandale	by	37
Pvt	Cardinal Gibbons (Fort Lauderdale)	def	Pub	Coconut Creek	by	5
Pvt	Cardinal Mooney (Sarasota)	def	Pub	Rockledge	by	36
Pvt	Cardinal Mooney (Sarasota)	def	Pub	True North (Miami)	by	27
Pvt	Cardinal Newman (West Palm Beach)	def	Pub	Goleman (Miami)	by	21
Pvt	Cardinal Newman (West Palm Beach)	def	Pub	Pahokee	by	16
Pvt	Carrollwood Day (Tampa)	def	Pub	Mulberry	by	49
Pvt	Carrollwood Day (Tampa)	def	Pub	North Miami Beach	by	8
Pvt	Central Florida Christian (Ocoee)	def	Pub	Bronson	by	30
Pvt	Central Florida Christian (Ocoee)	def	Pub	Marco Island Academy	by	24
Pvt	Chaminade (Hollywood)	def	Pub	Western (Davie)	by	56
Pvt	Chaminade (Hollywood)	def	Pub	Miami Edison	by	50
Pvt	Chaminade (Hollywood)	def	Pub	Monarch (Coconut Creek)	by	21
Pvt	Chaminade (Hollywood)	def	Pub	McArthur (Hollywood)	by	14
Pvt	Christopher Columbus (Miami)	def	Pub	Miami	by	50
Pvt	Christopher Columbus (Miami)	def	Pub	South Dade (Homestead)	by	8
Pvt	Christ's Church Academy (Jacksonville)	def	Pub	Duval Charter (Jacksonville)	by	43
Pvt	Christ's Church Academy (Jacksonville)	def	Pub	Cornerstone Classical (Jacksonville)	by	27
Pvt	Christ's Church Academy (Jacksonville)	def	Pub	Interlachen	by	9
Pvt	Clearwater Central Catholic	def	Pub	Gadsden County (Havana)	by	49
Pvt	Clearwater Central Catholic	def	Pub	Sebring	by	35
Pvt	Clearwater Central Catholic	def	Pub	Clearwater	by	14
Pvt	Community School (Naples)	def	Pub	Oasis (Cape Coral)	by	49
Pvt	Eagle's View (Jacksonville)	def	Pub	Hilliard	by	8
Pvt	Episcopal (Jacksonville)	def	Pub	Duval Charter (Jacksonville)	by	37
Pvt	Episcopal (Jacksonville)	def	Pub	Stanton (Jacksonville)	by	31
Pvt	Episcopal (Jacksonville)	def	Pub	KIPP Bold City (Jacksonville)	by	30
Pvt	Evangelical Christian (Fort Myers)	def	Pub	Gateway Charter (Fort Myers)	by	36
Pvt	Father Lopez (Daytona Beach)	def	Pub	Crescent City	by	17
Pvt	Father Lopez (Daytona Beach)	def	Pub	Atlantic (Port Orange)	by	4
Pvt	First Academy (Orlando)	def	Pub	Treasure Coast (Port St. Lucie)	by	50
Pvt	First Academy (Orlando)	def	Pub	Gadsden County (Havana)	by	28
Pvt	First Academy (Orlando)	def	Pub	Venice	by	7
Pvt	First Academy (Orlando)	def	Pub	Eau Gallie (Melbourne)	by	4
Pvt	First Baptist (Naples)	def	Pub	P.K. Yonge (Gainesville)	by	7
Pvt	Florida Christian (Miami)	def	Pub	BPVG (Miami)	by	47
Pvt	Florida Christian (Miami)	def	Pub	Coral Shores (Tavernier)	by	38
Pvt	Florida Christian (Miami)	def	Pub	Aubrey Rogers (Naples)	by	17
Pvt	Foundation Academy (Winter Garden)	def	Pub	Bronson	by	42
Pvt	Foundation Academy (Winter Garden)	def	Pub	Eustis	by	19
Pvt	Foundation Academy (Winter Garden)	def	Pub	Cornerstone (Belle Isle)	by	14
Pvt	Glades Day (Belle Glade)	def	Pub	Coral Shores (Tavernier)	by	13
Pvt	Gulliver Prep (Pinecrest)	def	Pub	Miami Killian	by	7
Pvt	Halifax Academy (Daytona Beach)	def	Pub	Taylor (Pierson)	by	38
Pvt	Holy Trinity (Melbourne)	def	Pub	Port St. Lucie	by	47
Pvt	Holy Trinity (Melbourne)	def	Pub	Bayside (Palm Bay)	by	41
Pvt	Holy Trinity (Melbourne)	def	Pub	Astronaut (Titusville)	by	24
Pvt	Holy Trinity (Melbourne)	def	Pub	Legacy (Port St. Lucie)	by	14
Pvt	IMG Academy - National (Bradenton)	def	Pub	Mandarin (Jacksonville)	by	50
Pvt	IMG Academy - National (Bradenton)	def	Pub	Venice	by	13
Pvt	IMG Academy Jr. National (Bradenton)	def	Pub	Oasis (Cape Coral)	by	41
Pvt	IMG Academy Jr. National (Bradenton)	def	Pub	Key West	by	1
Pvt	IMG Academy State (Bradenton)	def	Pub	McLaughlin (Lake Wales)	by	36
Pvt	IMG Academy State (Bradenton)	def	Pub	Marathon	by	32
Pvt	IMG Academy State (Bradenton)	def	Pub	Baker (Cape Coral)	by	20
Pvt	Impact Christian (Jacksonville)	def	Pub	Wolfson (Jacksonville)	by	46
Pvt	Indian Rocks Christian (Largo)	def	Pub	Osceola (Seminole)	by	1
Pvt	Jesuit (Tampa)	def	Pub	University (Orange City)	by	49
Pvt	Jesuit (Tampa)	def	Pub	Blake (Tampa)	by	39
Pvt	John Carroll (Fort Pierce)	def	Pub	Port St. Lucie	by	48
Pvt	John Carroll (Fort Pierce)	def	Pub	Forest Hill (West Palm Beach)	by	41
Pvt	John Carroll (Fort Pierce)	def	Pub	Centennial (Port St. Lucie)	by	29
Pvt	Joshua Christian (Jacksonville)	def	Pub	McLaughlin (Lake Wales)	by	6
Pvt	Jupiter Christian	def	Pub	Tradition Prep (Port St Lucie)	by	41
Pvt	Keswick Christian (St. Petersburg)	def	Pub	Babcock (Punta Gorda)	by	35
Pvt	King’s Academy (West Palm Beach)	def	Pub	Somerset Prep (North Lauderdale)	by	43
Pvt	King’s Academy (West Palm Beach)	def	Pub	Inlet Grove (Riviera Beach)	by	22
Pvt	King’s Academy (West Palm Beach)	def	Pub	Fort Pierce Westwood	by	1
Pvt	Lake Highland Prep (Orlando)	def	Pub	Cornerstone (Belle Isle)	by	23
Pvt	Lakeland Christian	def	Pub	George Jenkins (Lakeland)	by	28
Pvt	Lakeland Christian	def	Pub	Fort Meade	by	18
Pvt	Lakeland Christian	def	Pub	Frostproof	by	9
Pvt	LaSalle (Miami)	def	Pub	Miami Jackson	by	50
Pvt	LaSalle (Miami)	def	Pub	Somerset Academy (Pembroke Pines)	by	42
Pvt	LaSalle (Miami)	def	Pub	Washington (Miami)	by	31
Pvt	Maclay (Tallahassee)	def	Pub	FAMU (Tallahassee)	by	28
Pvt	Maclay (Tallahassee)	def	Pub	Marianna	by	26
Pvt	Maclay (Tallahassee)	def	Pub	Jefferson County (Monticello)	by	25
Pvt	Melbourne Central Catholic	def	Pub	Somerset Canyons (Boynton Beach)	by	28
Pvt	Monsignor Pace (Miami)	def	Pub	Somerset Academy (Pembroke Pines)	by	8
Pvt	Mount Dora Christian	def	Pub	Gateway Charter (Fort Myers)	by	51
Pvt	Mount Dora Christian	def	Pub	Taylor (Pierson)	by	48
Pvt	Mount Dora Christian	def	Pub	Pine Ridge (Deltona)	by	21
Pvt	North Broward Prep (Coconut Creek)	def	Pub	Somerset Key (Deerfield Beach)	by	50
Pvt	North Broward Prep (Coconut Creek)	def	Pub	Pembroke Pines Charter	by	16
Pvt	North Florida Christian (Tallahassee)	def	Pub	North Bay Haven (Panama City)	by	6
Pvt	North Florida Educational (Jacksonville)	def	Pub	KIPP Bold City (Jacksonville)	by	42
Pvt	North Florida Educational (Jacksonville)	def	Pub	Branford	by	12
Pvt	Northside Christian (St. Petersburg)	def	Pub	Leto (Tampa)	by	31
Pvt	Northside Christian (St. Petersburg)	def	Pub	Hudson	by	22
Pvt	Oak Hall (Gainesville)	def	Pub	Bronson	by	50
Pvt	Oak Hall (Gainesville)	def	Pub	P.K. Yonge (Gainesville)	by	44
Pvt	Oak Hall (Gainesville)	def	Pub	Branford	by	1
Pvt	Old Plank Christian (Jacksonville)	def	Pub	Bronson	by	44
Pvt	Old Plank Christian (Jacksonville)	def	Pub	Duval Charter (Jacksonville)	by	23
Pvt	Old Plank Christian (Jacksonville)	def	Pub	Hilliard	by	13
Pvt	Orangewood Christian (Maitland)	def	Pub	Taylor (Pierson)	by	20
Pvt	Orlando Christian Prep	def	Pub	Crescent City	by	51
Pvt	Orlando Christian Prep	def	Pub	Wildwood	by	50
Pvt	Orlando Christian Prep	def	Pub	Moore Haven	by	10
Pvt	Orlando Christian Prep	def	Pub	Beachside (St Johns)	by	6
Pvt	Palmer Trinity (Miami)	def	Pub	Marathon	by	43
Pvt	Palmer Trinity (Miami)	def	Pub	Somerset SASH (Homestead)	by	37
Pvt	Palmer Trinity (Miami)	def	Pub	Coral Shores (Tavernier)	by	23
Pvt	Pensacola Catholic	def	Pub	Destin	by	45
Pvt	Pensacola Catholic	def	Pub	Freeport	by	41
Pvt	Pensacola Catholic	def	Pub	Navarre	by	15
Pvt	Pensacola Catholic	def	Pub	Godby (Tallahassee)	by	14
Pvt	Pine Crest (Fort Lauderdale)	def	Pub	Pompano Beach	by	39
Pvt	Providence (Jacksonville)	def	Pub	Cornerstone Classical (Jacksonville)	by	42
Pvt	Ransom Everglades (Miami)	def	Pub	Miami Springs	by	24
Pvt	Rocky Bayou Christian (Niceville)	def	Pub	Central (Milton)	by	34
Pvt	Santa Fe Catholic (Lakeland)	def	Pub	Babcock (Punta Gorda)	by	55
Pvt	Santa Fe Catholic (Lakeland)	def	Pub	Tenoroc (Lakeland)	by	7
Pvt	Sarasota Christian	def	Pub	Gateway Charter (Fort Myers)	by	34
Pvt	Seffner Christian	def	Pub	Duval Charter (Jacksonville)	by	43
Pvt	SmartEn Academy (Miami)	def	Pub	Coral Shores (Tavernier)	by	11
Pvt	Southwest Florida Christian (Ft. Myers)	def	Pub	Babcock (Punta Gorda)	by	49
Pvt	Southwest Florida Christian (Ft. Myers)	def	Pub	Palmetto Ridge (Naples)	by	35
Pvt	Southwest Florida Christian (Ft. Myers)	def	Pub	Oasis (Cape Coral)	by	28
Pvt	Specially Fit (Dover)	def	Pub	Discovery (Lake Alfred)	by	48
Pvt	Specially Fit (Dover)	def	Pub	Ridge Community (Davenport)	by	7
Pvt	St. Andrew's (Boca Raton)	def	Pub	Somerset Prep (North Lauderdale)	by	48
Pvt	St. Brendan (Miami)	def	Pub	Hialeah Gardens	by	35
Pvt	St. Brendan (Miami)	def	Pub	Miami Jackson	by	29
Pvt	St. Brendan (Miami)	def	Pub	Miami Beach	by	11
Pvt	St. Brendan (Miami)	def	Pub	Dr. Krop (Miami)	by	1
Pvt	St. Edward’s (Vero Beach)	def	Pub	Okeechobee	by	21
Pvt	St. Edward’s (Vero Beach)	def	Pub	Bayside (Palm Bay)	by	8
Pvt	St. John Neumann (Naples)	def	Pub	Coral Springs Charter	by	38
Pvt	St. John Neumann (Naples)	def	Pub	Oasis (Cape Coral)	by	38
Pvt	St. John Paul II (Boca Raton)	def	Pub	Somerset Prep (North Lauderdale)	by	22
Pvt	St. Joseph (St. Augustine)	def	Pub	Duval Charter (Jacksonville)	by	27
Pvt	St. Joseph (St. Augustine)	def	Pub	Hilliard	by	1
Pvt	St. Petersburg Catholic	def	Pub	East River (Orlando)	by	50
Pvt	St. Stephen's (Bradenton)	def	Pub	Marco Island Academy	by	43
Pvt	St. Thomas Aquinas (Fort Lauderdale)	def	Pub	Boyd Anderson (Lauderdale Lakes)	by	66
Pvt	St. Thomas Aquinas (Fort Lauderdale)	def	Pub	Hollywood Hills (Hollywood)	by	63
Pvt	St. Thomas Aquinas (Fort Lauderdale)	def	Pub	Western (Davie)	by	39
Pvt	St. Thomas Aquinas (Fort Lauderdale)	def	Pub	McArthur (Hollywood)	by	24
Pvt	Tampa Catholic	def	Pub	Mitchell (New Port Richey)	by	5
Pvt	Trinity Catholic (Ocala)	def	Pub	Forest (Ocala)	by	6
Pvt	Trinity Christian (Jacksonville)	def	Pub	Riverside (Jacksonville)	by	9
Pvt	Trinity Prep (Winter Park)	def	Pub	Bronson	by	27
Pvt	University Christian (Jacksonville)	def	Pub	Andrew Jackson (Jacksonville)	by	38
Pvt	University Christian (Jacksonville)	def	Pub	Newberry	by	33
Pvt	University Christian (Jacksonville)	def	Pub	Santa Fe (Alachua)	by	32
Pvt	University School (Fort Lauderdale)	def	Pub	Nova (Davie)	by	11
Pvt	University School (Fort Lauderdale)	def	Pub	Somerset Silver Palms (Miami)	by	7
Pvt	Victory Christian (Lakeland)	def	Pub	Moore Haven	by	14
Pvt	Victory Christian (Lakeland)	def	Pub	Frostproof	by	7
Pvt	Westminster Academy (Fort Lauderdale)	def	Pub	Pompano Beach	by	43
Pvt	Westminster Academy (Fort Lauderdale)	def	Pub	Somerset Prep (North Lauderdale)	by	32
Pvt	Westminster Academy (Fort Lauderdale)	def	Pub	Tradition Prep (Port St Lucie)	by	15
Pvt	Westminster Christian (Miami)	def	Pub	Marathon	by	56
Pvt	Westminster Christian (Miami)	def	Pub	Somerset SASH (Homestead)	by	42
Pvt	Westminster Christian (Miami)	def	Pub	Coral Springs	by	28
Pvt	Westminster Christian (Miami)	def	Pub	BPVG (Miami)	by	28
Pvt	Windermere Prep	def	Pub	Marco Island Academy	by	11
Pvt	Zarephath Academy (Jacksonville)	def	Pub	P.K. Yonge (Gainesville)	by	38
Pvt	Zarephath Academy (Jacksonville)	def	Pub	Union County (Lake Butler)	by	5
Pvt	Zephyrhills Christian	def	Pub	Marathon	by	36

 

Pub	American (Hialeah)	def	Pvt	Belen Jesuit (Miami)	by	7
Pub	Anclote (Holiday)	def	Pvt	Bishop McLaughlin (Spring Hill)	by	2
Pub	Baker (Cape Coral)	def	Pvt	First Baptist (Naples)	by	17
Pub	Baker County (Glen St. Mary)	def	Pvt	Halifax Academy (Daytona Beach)	by	43
Pub	Bayshore (Bradenton)	def	Pvt	IMG Academy State (Bradenton)	by	50
Pub	Beachside (St Johns)	def	Pvt	Bishop Kenny (Jacksonville)	by	4
Pub	Bell	def	Pvt	Old Plank Christian (Jacksonville)	by	9
Pub	Booker (Sarasota)	def	Pvt	Calvary Christian (Clearwater)	by	22
Pub	Booker (Sarasota)	def	Pvt	Berkeley Prep (Tampa)	by	7
Pub	BPVG (Miami)	def	Pvt	Miami Country Day	by	20
Pub	Chiefland	def	Pvt	Trinity Catholic (Ocala)	by	28
Pub	Chiles (Tallahassee)	def	Pvt	Impact Christian (Jacksonville)	by	14
Pub	Chipley	def	Pvt	North Florida Christian (Tallahassee)	by	13
Pub	Clewiston	def	Pvt	Palm Beach Christian (Greenacres)	by	54
Pub	Cocoa Beach	def	Pvt	Master's Academy (Vero Beach)	by	7
Pub	Cocoa Beach	def	Pvt	St. Edward’s (Vero Beach)	by	3
Pub	Columbia (Lake City)	def	Pvt	Trinity Christian (Jacksonville)	by	7
Pub	Coral Gables	def	Pvt	ABF Academy (Hialeah)	by	20
Pub	Coral Springs Charter	def	Pvt	Pine Crest (Fort Lauderdale)	by	7
Pub	Cornerstone (Belle Isle)	def	Pvt	Faith Christian (Orlando)	by	28
Pub	Cornerstone (Belle Isle)	def	Pvt	Trinity Prep (Winter Park)	by	25
Pub	Cornerstone (Belle Isle)	def	Pvt	Orangewood Christian (Maitland)	by	10
Pub	Cornerstone (Belle Isle)	def	Pvt	Geneva (Casselberry)	by	4
Pub	Cornerstone (Belle Isle)	def	Pvt	Keswick Christian (St. Petersburg)	by	3
Pub	Cottondale	def	Pvt	Lighthouse Academy (Pensacola)	by	34
Pub	Dunnellon	def	Pvt	Specially Fit (Dover)	by	11
Pub	Eastside (Gainesville)	def	Pvt	Trinity Catholic (Ocala)	by	16
Pub	Eau Gallie (Melbourne)	def	Pvt	Trinity Catholic (Ocala)	by	51
Pub	Ed White (Jacksonville)	def	Pvt	Trinity Christian (Jacksonville)	by	17
Pub	FAMU (Tallahassee)	def	Pvt	Joshua Christian (Jacksonville)	by	14
Pub	Fernandina Beach	def	Pvt	Mount Dora Christian	by	6
Pub	Fort Meade	def	Pvt	Victory Christian (Lakeland)	by	4
Pub	Fort Pierce Westwood	def	Pvt	Zephyrhills Christian	by	40
Pub	Franklin County (East Point)	def	Pvt	Rocky Bayou Christian (Niceville)	by	20
Pub	Frostproof	def	Pvt	Providence (Jacksonville)	by	3
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[Ray Icaza]

13 minutes ago, Dr. D said:

The context of LAZ's study is this: His statistically valid findings show that the lopsided won-loss record is not the result of random chance.  If coaching, talent, resources, etc. were evenly distributed among these public and private schools, the results should approach a 50-50 won-loss result.  So, something is clearly different between the public and private schools involved in these 300 games.  You have conveniently cherry-picked a handful of games involving a handful of teams while ignoring the results of the other 290 games.  A rational view would suggest that coaching, talent, resources, etc. are not evenly distributed among ALL the public and private schools in the state, leading to the superior result of private schools in head-to-head competition with public schools.  Coincidentally, when was the last time you saw a public school receive a gift like this: https://floridahsfootball.com/2025/10/08/dream-finders-homes-donates-6-million-for-new-bolles-athletic-performance-center/

Facts be DAMNED, I predicted he would come out swinging defending the privates so at least he can't dispute that can he. 

[nolebull813]

35 minutes ago, Ray Icaza said:

Sorry to disagree that just because we aren't constantly "CRYING & WHINING" that we think that recruiting is okay or that certain schools be it private or public do have certain advantages over others.   We knew that stories around the team West Boca built are disturbing, but complaining wasn't going to help us win we had to play the game and we did.  So if your school's goal is to win a championship all the selective examples you state don't get to the heart of the matter.  Those elite teams win the championships and the fact remains ONLY 14% of students in FL attend private schools as opposed to 86% public.  Yet those few private schools in that elite category make up 50% of the top 10 currently in MaxPreps and will win at least half of the titles.  COINCIDENCE???  Get a grip NOLE!!!

They win because they are in the most talented area of the state. Broward is home to the nation’s best talent. And Dade. It’s a talent difference. North and Central FL just don’t have the same type of jimmy’s and Joe’s. It’s why MNW and MC can combine for 18 or so titles. Not sure without looking it up but it’s up there. Lakeland has like 10. Armwood, Plant and Jefferson have a combined 8 in a 10 year stretch. 
 

The thing these publics all have in common is they are in areas that do have immense talent. When Armwood went to the title game and lost like 5 years in a row to Dade teams it’s because they were out-talented. 
 

Thats the bottom line. The areas with the most talent win the most. Not much more complicated than that 

[Ray Icaza]

3 minutes ago, nolebull813 said:

They win because they are in the most talented area of the state. Broward is home to the nation’s best talent. And Dade. It’s a talent difference. North and Central FL just don’t have the same type of jimmy’s and Joe’s. It’s why MNW and MC can combine for 18 or so titles. Not sure without looking it up but it’s up there. Lakeland has like 10. Armwood, Plant and Jefferson have a combined 8 in a 10 year stretch. 
 

The thing these publics all have in common is they are in areas that do have immense talent. When Armwood went to the title game and lost like 5 years in a row to Dade teams it’s because they were out-talented. 
 

Thats the bottom line. The areas with the most talent win the most. Not much more complicated than that 

The areas that have the most talent that recruits it the best by whatever means you can justify, wins the most.  That is the bottom line no matter how you paint it.  That's what all the teams you mentioned have in common, be it public or private.  But the publics that resorted to doing this did so to level the playing field with the few privates that were dominating in the early 2000's.   When a new face appears ( ie... Flanagan HS or West Boca) to win a state championship, it was in those heavily populated areas of the state where they could get those exceptional Jimmy's and Joe's.  Come on Nolebull even Larry, Curly and Mo could figure this out.  

[nolebull813]

1 minute ago, Ray Icaza said:

The areas that have the most talent that recruits it the best by whatever means you can justify, wins the most.  That is the bottom line no matter how you paint it.  That's what all the teams you mentioned have in common, be it public or private.  But the publics that resorted to doing this did so to level the playing field with the few privates that were dominating in the early 2000's.   When a new face appears ( ie... Flanagan HS or West Boca) to win a state championship, it was in those heavily populated areas of the state where they could get those exceptional Jimmy's and Joe's.  Come on Nolebull even Larry, Curly and Mo could figure this out.  

Yeah I know. It’s not a public/private problem. It’s an access to top talent issue. 
 

The metro/suburban experiment was the best way they could come up with to counter that advantage. The problem was there was too many classes. Like there is now. I actually like the idea of the metro/suburban but with only 6 classes total and no rural. The rural would be the starting point for the smallest of the 3 suburban classes. 
 

If the FHSAA doesn’t want to fix the issue then all the teams that don’t like it can leave until enough are gone to create a new association. Until then we gotta live with what we are presented. 
 

Another way would be to cut the classes to 5 and have an open division for teams who get a certain amount of agreed upon transfers for that year. 
 

I got the ideas but no one ever listens to poor ole Nolebull 

[Ray Icaza]

9 minutes ago, nolebull813 said:

Yeah I know. It’s not a public/private problem. It’s an access to top talent issue. 
 

The metro/suburban experiment was the best way they could come up with to counter that advantage. The problem was there was too many classes. Like there is now. I actually like the idea of the metro/suburban but with only 6 classes total and no rural. The rural would be the starting point for the smallest of the 3 suburban classes. 
 

If the FHSAA doesn’t want to fix the issue then all the teams that don’t like it can leave until enough are gone to create a new association. Until then we gotta live with what we are presented. 
 

Another way would be to cut the classes to 5 and have an open division for teams who get a certain amount of agreed upon transfers for that year. 
 

I got the ideas but no one ever listens to poor ole Nolebull 

My vote, 1 open division with 12-16 teams and then 3 classifications.   Based on data from LAZ, school population really doesn't matter much so make each one larger (bigger districts) for small, medium and large.  Other schools can go independent or SSAA. 

[nolebull813]

3 minutes ago, Ray Icaza said:

My vote, 1 open division with 12-16 teams and then 3 classifications.   Based on data from LAZ, school population really doesn't matter much so make each one larger (bigger districts) for small, medium and large.  Other schools can go independent or SSAA. 

So for example if 40 schools in the entire state met the criteria for the open division, how would figure out who makes the playoffs and who doesn’t? 

[Ray Icaza]

We obviously have a different concept of the schools that are truly elite in FL (1-2% in my view) roughly 10-15 schools from year to year.  In other words, by years end and final rankings do you really believe that school X ranked 37th will beat school B ranked #3 overall?  Or when seeding comes out #40 can possibly defeat #1.  We know who the usual suspects are as you rightly listed most of them earlier in this thread.  Newbies like a Flanagan or West Boca who I mentioned would be rewarded by getting put into that group for their troubles for those few years they game the system.   Just my opinion and wonder what others think the size of the OPEN DIVISION should be.  Winner would be the overall state champ while the other 3 classes would compete for a Gold, Silver and Bronze title. 

[nolebull813]

47 minutes ago, Ray Icaza said:

We obviously have a different concept of the schools that are truly elite in FL (1-2% in my view) roughly 10-15 schools from year to year.  In other words, by years end and final rankings do you really believe that school X ranked 37th will beat school B ranked #3 overall?  Or when seeding comes out #40 can possibly defeat #1.  We know who the usual suspects are as you rightly listed most of them earlier in this thread.  Newbies like a Flanagan or West Boca who I mentioned would be rewarded by getting put into that group for their troubles for those few years they game the system.   Just my opinion and wonder what others think the size of the OPEN DIVISION should be.  Winner would be the overall state champ while the other 3 classes would compete for a Gold, Silver and Bronze title. 

I’m not saying 40 teams should make the playoffs in an open division. I’m saying if 40 are eligible based on the transfers, how do you figure out who makes the playoffs?

[Ray Icaza]

10 hours ago, nolebull813 said:

I’m not saying 40 teams should make the playoffs in an open division. I’m saying if 40 are eligible based on the transfers, how do you figure out who makes the playoffs?

I guess if your threshold for going to the OPEN DIVISION is based on the sheer number of transfers, then yes I would suppose depending on what that number is (5, 10, 20?) there could be 40 teams.   That wouldn't be my basis, rather the final season ranking taking those teams to fill out the bracket whatever size it was (12, 16, 24, etc..) with no option to opt out. 

[Jambun82]

The Metro/Suburban Classifications worked to create the most equitable "playing field" for the FHSAA high school football playoffs, something that I said the very first year of the successful experiment. and I was right as usual. At this point, that should be as obvious as the point that the "tush push" should be banned from the NFL for good. 

[nolebull813]

1 hour ago, Jambun82 said:

The Metro/Suburban Classifications worked to create the most equitable "playing field" for the FHSAA high school football playoffs, something that I said the very first year of the successful experiment. and I was right as usual. At this point, that should be as obvious as the point that the "tush push" should be banned from the NFL for good. 

The idea in theory worked. But nine classes was embarrassing and atrocious. It was a low point in Florida high school football history. If it was six classes total, it would be a well oiled machine.

[Dr. D]

I noticed this statement as reported from the September meeting of the FHSAA Board of Directors meeting, "In discussion, Executive Director Craig Damon addressed potential classification modifications, surveying schools for input and scheduling a workshop for the 2026-27 and 2027-28 cycle."  Don't know what this could lead to, but perhaps there are some changes on the horizon.  I suggest 225 classifications so that the worst any school could be is a state runner-up in their classification.