Whats the real solution to playoffs???

[Willie Stargell]

I’m not ruling out a TBI as potentially part of the problem here.

[DisabledAccount]

13 minutes ago, Willie Stargell said:

I’m not ruling out a TBI as potentially part of the problem here.

Care to elaborate? 

[badbird]

they do it in football it just takes weeks to decide who the champion is.  Here is an idea.  It won't work just an idea.  Put everyone in a 6 team district.  5 of your first 8 games are district games to determine seeding the others are up to you.  Week 9 #3 plays #6, #4 plays #5.  week 10 #1 plays winner of #4/5 and #2 plays winner of #3/6.  Week 11 district championship

[DisabledAccount]

16 minutes ago, badbird said:

they do it in football it just takes weeks to decide who the champion is.  Here is an idea.  It won't work just an idea.  Put everyone in a 6 team district.  5 of your first 8 games are district games to determine seeding the others are up to you.  Week 9 #3 plays #6, #4 plays #5.  week 10 #1 plays winner of #4/5 and #2 plays winner of #3/6.  Week 11 district championship

Other than fact we would probably play same teams every year i actually like that idea 

[DisabledAccount]

16 minutes ago, badbird said:

they do it in football it just takes weeks to decide who the champion is.  Here is an idea.  It won't work just an idea.  Put everyone in a 6 team district.  5 of your first 8 games are district games to determine seeding the others are up to you.  Week 9 #3 plays #6, #4 plays #5.  week 10 #1 plays winner of #4/5 and #2 plays winner of #3/6.  Week 11 district championship

That idea benefits teams who improve over the year while allowing results to be played out on the field

[blackmagic]

9 minutes ago, badbird said:

they do it in football it just takes weeks to decide who the champion is.  Here is an idea.  It won't work just an idea.  Put everyone in a 6 team district.  5 of your first 8 games are district games to determine seeding the others are up to you.  Week 9 #3 plays #6, #4 plays #5.  week 10 #1 plays winner of #4/5 and #2 plays winner of #3/6.  Week 11 district championship

Do the same without playing any district games during first part of season. If anything use points for seeding. Then last 4 or so weeks start the district tourney. Week 11 Championship then continue on just like the other sports. District runner up travels to a district champ. Maybe with the classes without districts have a full regional tournament.

[DisabledAccount]

2 minutes ago, blackmagic said:

Do the same without playing any district games during first part of season. If anything use points for seeding. Then last 4 or so weeks start the district tourney. Week 11 Championship then continue on just like the other sports. District runner up travels to a district champ. Maybe with the classes without districts have a full regional tournament.

So basically everyone plays non conference games and points would be used to seed teams then have multi week tournament? 

[blackmagic]

Just now, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

So basically everyone plays non conference games and points would be used to seed teams then have multi week tournament? 

Exactly. Now for the classes with no district. Maybe give teams a way to opt out of regional tourney. Like Bronson is last this week in region 4 in 1A. They probably wouldn't want to head down to Pahokee this year. So just give Pahokee the bye and keep it moving.

[DisabledAccount]

1 minute ago, blackmagic said:

Exactly. Now for the classes with no district. Maybe give teams a way to opt out of regional tourney. Like Bronson is last this week in region 4 in 1A. They probably wouldn't want to head down to Pahokee this year. So just give Pahokee the bye and keep it moving.

That would be a cool idea but i doubt it would happen but that probaby the closest football will ever get to a district tournament in football 

[badbird]

35 minutes ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

So basically everyone plays non conference games and points would be used to seed teams then have multi week tournament? 

only guaranteed 7 games.  Not going to happen but a decent idea.  Also teams that are real bad wouldn't travel that far and now Pahokee is out of a home gate that helps fund all athletic programs

[Willie Stargell]

A TBI is a traumatic brain injury. It could explain the need for having the same thing explained over and over and over again.

[badbird]

HE is trying to pad his post count so he has to respond to every thread and so he just repeats himself to pad post

[DisabledAccount]

11 minutes ago, badbird said:

HE is trying to pad his post count so he has to respond to every thread and so he just repeats himself to pad post

Lol

[Cat_Scratch]

8 hours ago, Willie Stargell said:

Even though Columbiaman got a little flustered, I considered this good conversation. I am able to step back and see that, although I think something might be better, there is more than one way to skin a cat...not everyone is capable of pulling that off. Most resort to bully tactics like name calling...but I digress. If you want to know who the best team is for the entire season, then you need to measure the entire season...that seems like common sense to me, but common sense is rather uncommon anymore. The beginning of the season and the end of the season must have the same weight, if you're looking for an accurate measurement. With that said, I'm not sure taking the top-64 and putting them into some sort of "showcase" league is an answer that will work either.

Don't be skinnin no cats.

[Cat_Scratch]

First 5 games in 6 man districts would cut down on OOS games. Most teams want to play their OOS games early in the season.

[badbird]

9 minutes ago, Cat_Scratch said:

First 5 games in 6 man districts would cut down on OOS games. Most teams want to play their OOS games early in the season.

I said 5 of your first 8.  Don’t care when they are played.  

 

[DisabledAccount]

10 minutes ago, Cat_Scratch said:

First 5 games in 6 man districts would cut down on OOS games. Most teams want to play their OOS games early in the season.

What about idea that district games Are at end of season and points from non conference games would determine seeds in a multi week tournament? 

[Willie Stargell]

That’s interesting

[blackmagic]

Some are liking the system and other are hating the system as we get closer to the end. I for one, am disliking it more and more. Just to many factors that teams do not control. (Using your imagination) If this was college football. Is the FSU that Alabama played still the FSU that played Boston College??? But with points today FSU is a CAT 4 and Fresno ST and Colorado St are CAT 2. Why is Alabama punished for FSU losing QB and falling apart? Could Alabama predict a preseason National Champion contender becoming a CAT 4 team???

Teams have to schedule lucky. Its not about playing good teams, its about playing teams that are going to schedule a winnable schedule.  How could we all predict Irma? A 7-2 team is a CAT 2 and a 8-2 team is a CAT 1. A 6-4 is CAT 2 and 5-4 is CAT 3. A 4-6 CAT 3 and 3-6 CAT 4. That's a possible 5 point loss to every team on their schedule since the games were cancelled and teams only played 9 games. Look at some of the 7-2 CAT 2 teams and their game that got cancelled. Many would have been favorite to win those games making them 8-2 and CAT 1 for every team on their schedule. 

 

[DisabledAccount]

21 minutes ago, blackmagic said:

Some are liking the system and other are hating the system as we get closer to the end. I for one, am disliking it more and more. Just to many factors that teams do not control. (Using your imagination) If this was college football. Is the FSU that Alabama played still the FSU that played Boston College??? But with points today FSU is a CAT 4 and Fresno ST and Colorado St are CAT 2. Why is Alabama punished for FSU losing QB and falling apart? Could Alabama predict a preseason National Champion contender becoming a CAT 4 team???

Teams have to schedule lucky. Its not about playing good teams, its about playing teams that are going to schedule a winnable schedule.  How could we all predict Irma? A 7-2 team is a CAT 2 and a 8-2 team is a CAT 1. A 6-4 is CAT 2 and 5-4 is CAT 3. A 4-6 CAT 3 and 3-6 CAT 4. That's a possible 5 point loss to every team on their schedule since the games were cancelled and teams only played 9 games. Look at some of the 7-2 CAT 2 teams and their game that got cancelled. Many would have been favorite to win those games making them 8-2 and CAT 1 for every team on their schedule. 

 

The problem I'm seeing is everyone thinks this is finished product 

 

They will make changes in off season because teams have noticed issues and will push for modifications but some stuff couldn't be predicted until after it's tested 

 

I love the system because it makes games mean more

 

Like this week Bolles is in a tiebreaker that will decided by points,  should they lose to columbia they will finish behind Trinity Christian in points and Trinity will win district so effectively Bolles is playing Columbia with District Championship on the line 

 

Makes that big game even bigger 

[gatorman-uf]

Think about how silly that actually sounds for a second... 

Bolles is a playing a team not in their district to determine if they are district champion. That is the equivalent of Georgia playing Georgia Tech to determine if Georgia is going to be SEC East Division champion. A district championship should be settled on the field, the point system does the opposite. It is a system that can be easily manipulated by a savy coach. It also puts school district policies into question in terms of fairness. Many of the large urban school districts do allow teams to play out of county (other than district games). It is one of the reasons you rarely see a Duval Public School team traveling anywhere. 

Were there problems with the old system? Sure, we have discussed them ad nauseam, but those same flaws still exist in the point system. You complained about poor teams making the playoffs and how this new system fixes that. Really? How many wins does Lincoln have? Could it be the result of the 3 team district that exists? Again, your new system did nothing to change this.

The old system was fine, but having district of 8 teams leads to tremendous travel concerns, especially for anyone North of Orlando or not on the coast. 

[DisabledAccount]

2 minutes ago, gatorman-uf said:

Think about how silly that actually sounds for a second... 

Bolles is a playing a team not in their district to determine if they are district champion. That is the equivalent of Georgia playing Georgia Tech to determine if Georgia is going to be SEC East Division champion. A district championship should be settled on the field, the point system does the opposite. It is a system that can be easily manipulated by a savy coach. It also puts school district policies into question in terms of fairness. Many of the large urban school districts do allow teams to play out of county (other than district games). It is one of the reasons you rarely see a Duval Public School team traveling anywhere. 

Were there problems with the old system? Sure, we have discussed them ad nauseam, but those same flaws still exist in the point system. You complained about poor teams making the playoffs and how this new system fixes that. Really? How many wins does Lincoln have? Could it be the result of the 3 team district that exists? Again, your new system did nothing to change this.

The old system was fine, but having district of 8 teams leads to tremendous travel concerns, especially for anyone North of Orlando or not on the coast. 

And if you had old system you add Chiles out of that district as well

 

And why should only district games have a impact on the playoffs? 

 

So bama should just win all sec games and lose any out of conference game and be let into college football playoffs? 

[badbird]

this is not college football or the NFL.  Should games outside the conference determine conference championships was the question.  If you want it to be like college the get a committee. If you want it like the NFL it cant be because there are too many teams and people can't afford to travel across the state

[DisabledAccount]

9 minutes ago, badbird said:

this is not college football or the NFL.  Should games outside the conference determine conference championships was the question.  If you want it to be like college the get a committee. If you want it like the NFL it cant be because there are too many teams and people can't afford to travel across the state

A committee is the last thing we need 

 

 

What I'm saying is why should only a few games matter on getting in the playoffs? 

[badbird]

25 minutes ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

A committee is the last thing we need 

 

 

What I'm saying is why should only a few games matter on getting in the playoffs? 

if you are a 1A team why should playing teams in a different class determine if you are in the 1A playoffs?

 

That would be like Valdosta State playing Georgia, Alabama, Notre Dame, Clemson and Ohio State and using those games to determine if they get into the D2 playoffs.