Coaching changes

[s1nglewing]

Greene County 2006 & 2007; 3-8 & 3-7.

That's 15-39 in five years of coaching. Do you seriously think he was the best choice based on performance? It has been my experience that few coaches will apply for an obvious rebuild unless they'll be committed for the long haul. Usually, it's the admin who gives in to the whispering crowds after two-three years. 

Washington has a long history of poor hires. Hope dude proves me wrong, but I suspect this is just another political choice that will be gone in three years, tops.

[OldSchoolLion]

15 minutes ago, s1nglewing said:

Greene County 2006 & 2007; 3-8 & 3-7.

That's 15-39 in five years of coaching. Do you seriously think he was the best choice based on performance? It has been my experience that few coaches will apply for an obvious rebuild unless they'll be committed for the long haul. Usually, it's the admin who gives in to the whispering crowds after two-three years. 

Washington has a long history of poor hires. Hope dude proves me wrong, but I suspect this is just another political choice that will be gone in three years, tops.

Don't believe I said anything that even implied he was the "best" choice.  I don't know.  Could very well be a political choice and/or a bad hire.  I don't know.  If Washington has a history of bad hires, I can understand the skepticism.

My point was simply that looking at a coach's record of wins and losses does not tell the whole story....even with a 15-39 record.  Some people want to coach in a certain community and do things that they think are more important than posting winning records.      

If "performance" is simply based on wins/losses, what is the motivation for our young coaches to take on very difficult assignments and tarnish their resumes?

He might be the worst coach in the world.  Or the guy might have balls of steel to have taken on "impossible" assignments.  I don't know.  I've got to know a man beyond win/loss records to judge him.

     

[dawgs]

On 3/16/2018 at 2:46 PM, Proseteye said:

Normally, when the HC goes, do some or all of the assistants also leave? I imagine that the assistants leaving may in many cases be a bigger loss than the HC. Since I'm of the opinion that 80% of the success of a team is the coaching and not the players, losing a HC and let's say a bang up DC could cripple a team that depends a great deal on defense.

i think alot of that depends on a couple factors.

did the HC bring coaches with him(not always the case, sometimes principals will work with new HC and get his guys in the building, sometimes).

if the HC did get a few guys in, but there are holdovers from a previous staff, those guys are not leaving.  unless its a GA, TX, SC job where the pay is worth the move.

a HC leaving and taking his staff will absolutely cripple a school.  although I dont necessarily agree with the 80%.  maybe 50-60%.  but thats not important.  jimmies and joes are better than anything, still need  a good coach to make jimmie and joe GO.  saw a school locally go 6-4 1 year, lose in round 1 of the playoffs, graduate alot and the coach leaves.  new guy comes in and new staff(majority of them were new) and he goes 9-2, with lesser talent, but more structure, attention to detail,  etc...so yes i do agree it matters on the coach alot.

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[Cocoa2010]

1 hour ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

 

 

 

 

[BrowardHandicapper]

2 hours ago, Cocoa2010 said:

 

Not match chatter on this....Hard shoes to fill with HC Wilkinson's 13 year tenure...Would like to hear the thoughts from Cocoa fans on the hire?

 

More from Brian McCallum and Florida Today:

 

https://www.floridatoday.com/story/sports/high-school/football/2018/03/26/cocoa-hires-schneider-football-coach/460178002/

[gatorman-uf]

To Go with Gainesville High School hiring Patrick Miller ...  http://www.gainesville.com/news/20180326/former-uf-player-promoted-to-lead-ghs

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29 minutes ago, gatorman-uf said:

To Go with Gainesville High School hiring Patrick Miller ...  http://www.gainesville.com/news/20180326/former-uf-player-promoted-to-lead-ghs

Wasn't he their DC last year? 

[Cocoa2010]

2 hours ago, BrowardHandicapper said:

Not match chatter on this....Hard shoes to fill with HC Wilkinson's 13 year tenure...Would like to hear the thoughts from Cocoa fans on the hire?

 

More from Brian McCallum and Florida Today:

 

https://www.floridatoday.com/story/sports/high-school/football/2018/03/26/cocoa-hires-schneider-football-coach/460178002/

Knowing how his offenses worked out at his previous schools and as a UCF alum, I'm hyped for it. 

[KeemD321]

Looks like 2 of Cocoa's mainstays at coach are moving on as well.  Defensive Coordinator Lance Jenkins is joining Coach Wilkinson at New Symrna Beach as D.C. and asst Coach Tyrone Giscombe is moving on to the Viera Hawks to be their WR coach. I'm sure he will end up helping with their track program as well. He's an excellent track coach as well.

[SportsNut25]

Willie Bueno has stepped down at Royal Palm Beach. 

[MuckCityChamp]

10 hours ago, SportsNut25 said:

Willie Bueno has stepped down at Royal Palm Beach. 

Yep. I'd say his next stop is either Oxbridge or Keiser.

http://highschoolbuzz.blog.palmbeachpost.com/2018/04/11/football-royal-palm-beach-coach-willie-bueno-steps-down-after-seven-seasons/

[DB4]

Per FootballScoop and @DILLARD_HIGH_PANTHERS should be interested: Dillard (Fort Lauderdale, FL): Per source, Chris Rinni has accepted the offensive coordinator / QBs coach position. Rinni served as the Pass Game Coordinator and QB Coach at Lane College for the previous 3 seasons.

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On 4/13/2018 at 10:37 AM, DB4 said:

Per FootballScoop and @DILLARD_HIGH_PANTHERS should be interested: Dillard (Fort Lauderdale, FL): Per source, Chris Rinni has accepted the offensive coordinator / QBs coach position. Rinni served as the Pass Game Coordinator and QB Coach at Lane College for the previous 3 seasons.

Really !! Okay Dillard! I’m legit excited to see em 

[Cjm04]

Boynton Beach brought in a college guy last season too.  Did you see what happened to their offense after the spring?  I never get excited about college guys because they choose their own guys. Good high school coaches are able to coach whatever shows up.

[KeemD321]

And it looks like New Symrnra Beach picked up Cocoa's offensive line coach. So that's 3 coaches from cocoa on the new staff of NSB

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3 hours ago, Cjm04 said:

Boynton Beach brought in a college guy last season too.  Did you see what happened to their offense after the spring?  I never get excited about college guys because they choose their own guys. Good high school coaches are able to coach whatever shows up.

Right ... but starting from the new head coach selection for Dillard I strongly doubt he would accept someone in his staff that wasn’t up for making Dillard offense something to be feared remember coach Morgan was known as the offense guru where he just came from.

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[muckboy561]

Any body from Broward know who is Deerfield DC is??

[gatorman-uf]

A school has been bad for several years (no more than 4 wins in a season in the past 5 years, lack of community support, no real football history). You are the new principal and you hire a new football coach. What are your expectations as coach rebuilds the program?

What are you looking for in terms of success?
Wins?
Growing number of players?
Competitiveness?
Lack of blowouts?
Not losing to in town/country/area rival?
How many 3-7 seasons do you allow? How much blame do you give the coach when they don't have the Jimmies and Joes? How quickly are coaches supposed to create the Jimmies and Joes? 

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On 5/9/2018 at 9:02 AM, gatorman-uf said:

A school has been bad for several years (no more than 4 wins in a season in the past 5 years, lack of community support, no real football history). You are the new principal and you hire a new football coach. What are your expectations as coach rebuilds the program?

What are you looking for in terms of success?
Wins?
Growing number of players?
Competitiveness?
Lack of blowouts?
Not losing to in town/country/area rival?
How many 3-7 seasons do you allow? How much blame do you give the coach when they don't have the Jimmies and Joes? How quickly are coaches supposed to create the Jimmies and Joes? 

Since i just saw this

 

It's crazy to expect instant success if you are building from scratch so i would first look and see if progress is made from year 1 to year 2 

 

Some places just aren't that talented but effort is a reflection of the environment a coach creates 

 

Something @"PANTHER NATiON" (WE HERE) pointed out before stuck with me when he was talking about how players were sitting on sideline joking around while getting blown out 

 

Something like that i would go fire the coach right then and there because that is a coach who has lost his team and has allowed players who aren't committed to stick around and by doing so has created a environment where losing is ok and not a big deal

 

I can live with a team just getting beat by someone better but when players don't care about playing to win is the moment that things need to be changed 

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6 hours ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

Since i just saw this

 

It's crazy to expect instant success if you are building from scratch so i would first look and see if progress is made from year 1 to year 2 

 

Some places just aren't that talented but effort is a reflection of the environment a coach creates 

 

Something @"PANTHER NATiON" (WE HERE) pointed out before stuck with me when he was talking about how players were sitting on sideline joking around while getting blown out 

 

Something like that i would go fire the coach right then and there because that is a coach who has lost his team and has allowed players who aren't committed to stick around and by doing so has created a environment where losing is ok and not a big deal

 

I can live with a team just getting beat by someone better but when players don't care about playing to win is the moment that things need to be changed 

Exactly