3 Articles about FHSAA Proposed Playoff System

[badbird]

52 minutes ago, Hwy17 said:

When a rural team gets a transfer its because the family moved. Metro schools have school choice. 

not all metro schools had school choice.  Most of the Orlando schools are full so if a kid wants to play for DP they have to physically move.

[Zoe Boy]

20 hours ago, Hwy17 said:

Which brings up another issue: depth.

Elite team got 12 transfers. The 4star athlete they got goes down they have another to plug in.  The rural school that got no transfers has a 4star athlete too. He goes down and they have to plug in an average player.  Another reason why I think there should be a cap placed on transfers.   Just like the NCAA puts a scholarship limit between FBS, FCS, and lower divisions. 

How many elite teams we have ?

[DisabledAccount]

1 minute ago, Zoe Boy said:

How many elite teams we have ?

Depends on how strict you define elite

 

I define elite in 3 categories 

 

National elite

State elite 

Regional elite

 

 

 

Someone like IMG would be considered a national elite 

 

Someone like Apopka could be considered a state elite

 

 

Someone like Columbia would be regional elite

 

 

Make sense? 

[Zoe Boy]

Just now, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

Depends on how strict you define elite

 

I define elite in 3 categories 

 

National elite

State elite 

Regional elite

 

 

 

Someone like IMG would be considered a national elite 

 

Someone like Apopka could be considered a state elite

 

 

Someone like Columbia would be regional elite

 

 

Make sense? 

Ok well these elite teams have back up 4 star starters besides IMG? What the hell is a regional elite? Lmao!!

[DisabledAccount]

16 minutes ago, Zoe Boy said:

Ok well these elite teams have back up 4 star starters besides IMG? What the hell is a regional elite? Lmao!!

A team like niceville is another regional elite even though they were once a state elite

 

Regional elite means they one of the top programs in their area

 

St Augustine and Mainland are 2 other regional elites even though both are sometimes considered state elites 

[OldSchoolLion]

21 hours ago, Hwy17 said:

Which brings up another issue: depth.

Elite team got 12 transfers. The 4star athlete they got goes down they have another to plug in.  The rural school that got no transfers has a 4star athlete too. He goes down and they have to plug in an average player.  Another reason why I think there should be a cap placed on transfers.   Just like the NCAA puts a scholarship limit between FBS, FCS, and lower divisions. 

As I said earlier, I would like to see some hard data to see how many teams are getting large numbers of 2-5 star player transfers each year.  It might be a surprisingly small number.  As far as teams who are so deep they have multi-star players in back-up roles...I can only think of a few who might fall into that category.   

I don't doubt there is a lot of transferring taking place.  What I am questioning is how much it is truly impacting who wins/doesn't win championships. 

[Proseteye]

As for how one D-1 transfer can alter the landscape of a HS football team I will give some examples:

CJ Spiller for Union County. Without him Union County would not have made the playoffs much less anything else. CJ was home grown but could have been a transfer.

John Brantley for Trinity Catholic. Without him it is probable that Trinity would  not have done nearly as well as they did. Brantley was home grown but could have been a transfer.

Just one D-1 player in a critical area of a team makes the difference between winning most of the time and winning some of the time.

Now, that one player affects a 1A to 4A school somewhat more than a 5A to 8A school. But, that D-1 player, especially if he's a QB, WR or even a 6' 5" TE, could affect the larger schools greatly.

Now fast forward to schools that are getting 4 to 10 D-1 or D-2 transfers per season. Well, we get the picture.

[Zoe Boy]

6 minutes ago, Proseteye said:

As for how one D-1 transfer can alter the landscape of a HS football team I will give some examples:

CJ Spiller for Union County. Without him Union County would not have made the playoffs much less anything else. CJ was home grown but could have been a transfer.

John Brantley for Trinity Catholic. Without him it is probable that Trinity would  not have done nearly as well as they did. Brantley was home grown but could have been a transfer.

Just one D-1 player in a critical area of a team makes the difference between winning most of the time and winning some of the time.

Now, that one player affects a 1A to 4A school somewhat more than a 5A to 8A school. But, that D-1 player, especially if he's a QB, WR or even a 6' 5" TE, could affect the larger schools greatly.

Now fast forward to schools that are getting 4 to 10 D-1 or D-2 transfers per season. Well, we get the picture.

Well if a team with one D-1 player beating up other teams with 1 or no D-1 players, then what that say about the teams their facing.. Trinity Catholic is a private school right? So I don’t count that as a home school and you can’t compare union city which I’ve been in that area before to a metropolitan city... Cause Itami Gardens alone is probably bigger then Union City n have 2  “home grown schools and a whole bunch of home grown talent

[DisabledAccount]

31 minutes ago, Zoe Boy said:

Well if a team with one D-1 player beating up other teams with 1 or no D-1 players, then what that say about the teams their facing.. Trinity Catholic is a private school right? So I don’t count that as a home school and you can’t compare union city which I’ve been in that area before to a metropolitan city... Cause Itami Gardens alone is probably bigger then Union City n have 2  “home grown schools and a whole bunch of home grown talent

Union City? 

 

 

Lake Butler is probably similar in size to Live Oak last time I rode through there,  probably a little smaller 

 

Lake Butler is Union County 

[OldSchoolLion]

2 hours ago, Proseteye said:

As for how one D-1 transfer can alter the landscape of a HS football team I will give some examples:

CJ Spiller for Union County. Without him Union County would not have made the playoffs much less anything else. CJ was home grown but could have been a transfer.

John Brantley for Trinity Catholic. Without him it is probable that Trinity would  not have done nearly as well as they did. Brantley was home grown but could have been a transfer.

Just one D-1 player in a critical area of a team makes the difference between winning most of the time and winning some of the time.

Now, that one player affects a 1A to 4A school somewhat more than a 5A to 8A school. But, that D-1 player, especially if he's a QB, WR or even a 6' 5" TE, could affect the larger schools greatly.

Now fast forward to schools that are getting 4 to 10 D-1 or D-2 transfers per season. Well, we get the picture.

A superstar athlete can alter a landscape.  The question is how often it actually does.  For every example we find, we can find an example where it does not.  Oftentimes today the superstar athletes are playing on teams that already have a lot going for them, so it is difficult to discern how an individual's performance is contributing to the team's overall success.  

Derrick Henry of Yulee is one of the best examples of an athlete who could have changed a landscape.  His team struggled to win in a in relatively weak classes.   I believe Trinity Catholic destroyed Yulee while he was playing for them.  

Don't necessarily agree with the statement above in bold.  I think we put too much emphasis on individual talent.  A 4-star WR on a team that runs and/or with a marginal qb is only going to be so effective.  Chaminade possibly had the best receiving corps in the state this year, but if you look at the numbers, their performance was not that extraordinary from a passing perspective.  

 

 

 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Proseteye said:

As for how one D-1 transfer can alter the landscape of a HS football team I will give some examples:

John Brantley for Trinity Catholic. Without him it is probable that Trinity would  not have done nearly as well as they did. Brantley was home grown but could have been a transfer.

Proset, which public school was Brantley zoned for? Whichever school it was I sure bet they missed not having him. He probably would have helped turn that public school into a contender. 

[Proseteye]

9 hours ago, Just A Coach said:

Proset, which public school was Brantley zoned for? Whichever school it was I sure bet they missed not having him. He probably would have helped turn that public school into a contender. 

Coach, I don't really know what public HS he was zoned for but by his address I would suspect Forest High School. However, I believe he came up in Trinity's elementary school system Blessed Trinity and spent 4 years at the HS. He was a 4.3  GPA student and, although not a great success on the Florida field, he did very well academically.