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Why UCF isn't 2017 National Champions Excuse thread.

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They are not the national champions for a few reasons. 

1. They didn’t play in a National Championship game, of even a game that was remotely close to having national championship ramifications. 

2. Auburn finished number 10 after the game. So they beat the number 10 team as their argument. Not the number 1,2 or even 3 team. 

3. UCF had close wins against teams who finished unranked. One score games against SMU and USF look really bad. Especially SMU. They didn’t have the grind of an SEC West, Big 10, Big 12 etc. 

4. They barely beat Auburn. People keep forgetting the game was a dogfight. They didn’t blow them outs. It was tied 20-20 going into the 4th quarter. The game finished as a tightly contested one score game. Not impressive. 

5. Their strength of schedule prohibits any consideration. It was terrible. When your best win is against a 3 loss team with 3 blowout losses you are already behind. 

6. And finally, not one credible source named them National Champions, most notably The AP or Coaches. They won some random off the wall computer algorithm. The Colley-Matrix robot is not taken seriously by anyone in college football, and doesn’t have any effect on rankings whatsoever or anything remotely significant in college football. 

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3 hours ago, nolebull813 said:

They are not the national champions for a few reasons. 

1. They didn’t play in a National Championship game, of even a game that was remotely close to having national championship ramifications. 

2. Auburn finished number 10 after the game. So they beat the number 10 team as their argument. Not the number 1,2 or even 3 team. 

3. UCF had close wins against teams who finished unranked. One score games against SMU and USF look really bad. Especially SMU. They didn’t have the grind of an SEC West, Big 10, Big 12 etc. 

4. They barely beat Auburn. People keep forgetting the game was a dogfight. They didn’t blow them outs. It was tied 20-20 going into the 4th quarter. The game finished as a tightly contested one score game. Not impressive. 

5. Their strength of schedule prohibits any consideration. It was terrible. When your best win is against a 3 loss team with 3 blowout losses you are already behind. 

6. And finally, not one credible source named them National Champions, most notably The AP or Coaches. They won some random off the wall computer algorithm. The Colley-Matrix robot is not taken seriously by anyone in college football, and doesn’t have any effect on rankings whatsoever or anything remotely significant in college football. 

The most hilarious part about you wasting your time to make up these points, none of them matter to the actual rules. UCF went undefeated and was ranked #1 by an NCAA Major Selector which makes them a National Champ for 2017. :lol:

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21 minutes ago, Cocoa2010 said:

The most hilarious part about you wasting your time to make up these points, none of them matter to the actual rules. UCF went undefeated and was ranked #1 by an NCAA Major Selector which makes them a National Champ for 2017. :lol:

Who is the major selector and where does it specify them as a major selector? 

If I recall the Colley Matrix computer algorithm was a fraction of the failed BCS formula. 

It is a child star who grew up to be an addict. No one takes it seriously. The only reason we are talking about it because UCF has grasped onto the “garbage in, garbage out” algorithm that says they are champs. 

No champ in modern history would ever play SMU to a one score game. Lol

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5 hours ago, nolebull813 said:

They are not the national champions for a few reasons. 

1. They didn’t play in a National Championship game, of even a game that was remotely close to having national championship ramifications. Maybe true or not, I only know they were the only undefeated team in NCAA record books that year.

2. Auburn finished number 10 after the game. So they beat the number 10 team as their argument. Not the number 1,2 or even 3 team. Every team drops after losing. Oh, and the #10 team beat the #1 and #2 teams... hummm.

3. UCF had close wins against teams who finished unranked. One score games against SMU and USF look really bad. Especially SMU. They didn’t have the grind of an SEC West, Big 10, Big 12 etc. You make the point that most people are pointing out, Only those in our club get to play for a championship. 

4. They barely beat Auburn. People keep forgetting the game was a dogfight. They didn’t blow them outs. It was tied 20-20 going into the 4th quarter. The game finished as a tightly contested one score game. Not impressive. They beat the only team to beat both the teams in the championship game. How is that weak? Get ready for another excuse.

5. Their strength of schedule prohibits any consideration. It was terrible. When your best win is against a 3 loss team with 3 blowout losses you are already behind. 2 loses and the 3rd loss was in the bowl game to UCF.

6. And finally, not one credible source named them National Champions, most notably The AP or Coaches. They won some random off the wall computer algorithm. The Colley-Matrix robot is not taken seriously by anyone in college football, and doesn’t have any effect on rankings whatsoever or anything remotely significant in college football.   The NCAA took them serious enough to put them in.

 https://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/os-sp-ucf-ncaa-record-book-national-champs-20180825-story.html

 

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They didn’t play in the national title game and they have no trophy that is awarded to the true champion. 

This is like meeting someone with a masters degree and you think you are smarter than them so you go around telling people you have masters degree. LMAO!

Ok little buddy. Wink wink. Your a winner. Great job. Send pics of the national title trophy. Not the trophy for beating some 4 loss team in a consolation bowl. The NCAA National Championship trophy. 

I’ll wait 

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And the NCAA that year (as well as year before) completely devalued the conference championship in order to make it about money (which is the only thing they care about)

 

They decided 2 years in a row to allow a team who didn't even win their conference to make playoffs

 

That's pathetic

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Whether UCF is top billing material or not, their QB Dillon Gabriel is one hell of player. He shredded the Stanford defense with both his passing and ground play action. And this guy is only a Freshman. Holy Cow. Just feel that UCF and Gabriel would give UF, Miami, or FSU fits if they played them.

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In 1921 there were 6 teams who claimed national championships because some random publication said they were. 

And throughout history almost every year for over 100 years there have been multiple claimed champs. This isn’t new. 

In 2000 when Oklahoma went u defeated and beat FSU, some random publication crowned 11-1 Miami the champs. 

It’s all a crock 

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4 hours ago, Proseteye said:

Whether UCF is top billing material or not, their QB Dillon Gabriel is one hell of player. He shredded the Stanford defense with both his passing and ground play action. And this guy is only a Freshman. Holy Cow. Just feel that UCF and Gabriel would give UF, Miami, or FSU fits if they played them.

Rather than fits; it would be an old fashioned ass kicking with the establishment teams trying to catch their breath.

Just what is a "nolebull"? Please don't say it's a fan of the FSU Noles and USF Bulls. If so, I now realize why you're so pissed about UCF.

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6 minutes ago, HornetFan said:

Rather than fits; it would be an old fashioned ass kicking with the establishment teams trying to catch their breath.

Just what is a "nolebull"? Please don't say it's a fan of the FSU Noles and USF Bulls. If so, I now realize why you're so pissed about UCF.

I grew up across the street from USF campus and was a fan of FSU my whole life. I was over there when USF didn’t have a team and watch the transformation from Division 1-AA to 1A independent to Conference USA to The Big East to the AAC. 

It was such a great experience watching it from birth. I couldn’t help but be a huge fan. 

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On 9/17/2019 at 9:49 PM, nolebull813 said:

Who is the major selector and where does it specify them as a major selector? 

If I recall the Colley Matrix computer algorithm was a fraction of the failed BCS formula. 

It is a child star who grew up to be an addict. No one takes it seriously. The only reason we are talking about it because UCF has grasped onto the “garbage in, garbage out” algorithm that says they are champs. 

No champ in modern history would ever play SMU to a one score game. Lol

Colley is and the NCAA record book.

 

And no, we are talking about it because the rule has always been there and used multiples of times before UCF used it and everyone got upset that UCF was the latest one to use it.

 

And I seem to remember a recent National Champion doing worse than a one score game and losing against an 8-win, middle of the pack ACC team Pittsburgh. Lol

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The whole let's see who claims who as the top team and use that to define us as national champs is the exact same thing that happens with box office movies. Every commercial for each of the really big movies find a media outlet to dub their film the movie of the year. Not to mention only one movie ultimately wins the award from The Academy. 

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13 minutes ago, SportsNut25 said:

The whole let's see who claims who as the top team and use that to define us as national champs is the exact same thing that happens with box office movies. Every commercial for each of the really big movies find a media outlet to dub their film the movie of the year. Not to mention only one movie ultimately wins the award from The Academy. 

Sort of like  high school bands.  Most of them suck but somehow get superior ratings

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On 9/18/2019 at 12:27 AM, nolebull813 said:

They didn’t play in the national title game and they have no trophy that is awarded to the true champion. 

This is like meeting someone with a masters degree and you think you are smarter than them so you go around telling people you have masters degree. LMAO!

Ok little buddy. Wink wink. Your a winner. Great job. Send pics of the national title trophy. Not the trophy for beating some 4 loss team in a consolation bowl. The NCAA National Championship trophy. 

I’ll wait 

Well, UCF is on the right track to match Alabama...they have started claiming National Championships they didn't actually win...


Keep in mind in Alabama's case, most of these were pre WWII titles. And titles were "debated". Pre AP era. (exception 1973)

So... Alabama is not the only claimant to such titles. Many were "shared".

Cut + Paste below from an article(from 2008) discussing in regards to Alabama.... Then season results from 1925 and 1926 along with title "claimants" and organizations recognizing the title for that year.

The NCAA record book recognizes Alabama with seven "consensus" national championships -- the six by Bryant and 1992. According to this list, "consensus" means a championship bestowed since 1950 by any, but not necessarily all, of the following: the Associated Press, United Press International, Football Writers Association of America, National Football Foundation/College Football Hall of Fame, USA Today/CNN or USA Today/ESPN.

On a separate list in the record book, the NCAA compares how "national poll champions" have fared in bowl games since 1900. That list gives Alabama nine national titles, including 1925 and 1926 but leaving off 1930, '34 and '41.

1925
Alabama 100 Wallace Wade BR, BS, CFRA, HAF, HS, NCF, PS, SR, B(QPRS)
Dartmouth 80 Jesse Hawley DiS, PD
Michigan 71 Fielding H. Yost SR

1926
Alabama 901 Wallace Wade BR, CFRA, HAF, NCF, PS, B(QPRS)
Lafayette 90 Herb McCracken PD
Michigan 71 Fielding H. Yost SR
Navy 901 Bill Ingram BS, HS
Stanford 1001 Glenn "Pop" Warner DiS, HAF, NCF, SR


Michigan, Notre Dame, etc..... Have all done the same thing.
Michigan claims 11 for example...

Focus on "Consensus" titles...

Most "consensus titles" in the AP era is Alabama with 12. The next closest are ND and OSU with 8.
Michigan only has 2 consensus titles.

It's alot to absorb. And real messy. But Alabama didn't start it. Matter of fact, they didn't join in the fray of that until 1982.

Don't throw Alabama under the bus with "claimed" titles as if they are the only one.

IMO Auburn has right to the 2004 National Championship. Especially since that title was vacated by USC. That title was "unofficially" awarded to them. But "technically" no such title exists for that year.

 

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As a canes fan I think UCF should join another conference or schedule more power top 5 teams on there schedule.. IDK how much they can schedule a year with their conference schedule but if it’s 4 open space shoot play a team from each power 5 conference. 2 away and 2 home and that probably can get them over the hump to the playoffs... Start with scheduling Miami or FSU in the ACC and UF in the SEC .. yall did schedule Stanford which was a good win and somebody in the big 12...

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10 hours ago, Cat_Scratch said:

A USF fan that wants to change the NCAA record book because UCF was given championship recognition. Go figure...

Did UCF play in a national championship game? 

Did they win the national championship trophy? 

If you answered yes to either question then you suffer from a severe mental delusion caused by playing slap dicks from the 6th best conference 

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2 hours ago, Zoe Boy said:

As a canes fan I think UCF should join another conference or schedule more power top 5 teams on there schedule.. IDK how much they can schedule a year with their conference schedule but if it’s 4 open space shoot play a team from each power 5 conference. 2 away and 2 home and that probably can get them over the hump to the playoffs... Start with scheduling Miami or FSU in the ACC and UF in the SEC .. yall did schedule Stanford which was a good win and somebody in the big 12...

As a UCF Alum, I'm all about them claiming a stake in the National Championship because they caught lightning in a bottle. The problem with scheduling is that Power 5 teams won't schedule UCF. That Stanford game was scheduled years ago and they just played it. Can you see a team at the higher end of the SEC or ACC scheduling UCF? Not a chance. It's a tough spot for UCF because when they lose a game, they were over-rated and had no reason to be there but then they win and it's "That Pac-12 team was soft. Pitt is at the bottom of the ACC."

Or, from the other side of it - beating UCF doesn't do much for a Power 5 school other than a win over a ranked opponent. But, say a team like Oklahoma or Florida schedules them and UCF wins? Then they get legitimized and it hurts the Power 5 system in general. 

I get the fact that people don't like that they proclaimed themselves National Champions. But, people disrespect the dominance they've shown over the last 3 years and try to sweep it under the rug. As football fans, which we are, that's just being boneheaded.

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2 hours ago, Zoe Boy said:

As a canes fan I think UCF should join another conference or schedule more power top 5 teams on there schedule.. IDK how much they can schedule a year with their conference schedule but if it’s 4 open space shoot play a team from each power 5 conference. 2 away and 2 home and that probably can get them over the hump to the playoffs... Start with scheduling Miami or FSU in the ACC and UF in the SEC .. yall did schedule Stanford which was a good win and somebody in the big 12...

The so-called top Power 5 teams don't want to schedule UCF and if they do, they want a 2 for 1 home advantage with an option to buy out the UCF home game. That's ridiculous considering UCF is ranked higher than the majority of Power 5 teams. UCF has 4 out of conference games they can schedule each year. Of the 4, they try to schedule 2 Power 5 teams. When they scheduled Stanford (5 years ago), Stanford was coming off a double digit win season. Pitt was also in the top half of the ACC when this week's game was scheduled. As UCF receives significantly less TV money than the Power 5 teams receive, UCF must maximize home games where they usually sell the stadium out; therefor 2 for 1 doesn't work. Just this week on College Football Live, Todd McShay, who hates UCF, said "why would Stanford play UCF in Orlando, that's crazy". Crazy, but true. The top Power 5 teams don't want to play UCF in Orlando. The Power 5 Cartel wants no part of UCF in the CFP and now that we have another freshman QB phenom, the discrimination against UCF will become even more obvious.

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39 minutes ago, nolebull813 said:

Did UCF play in a national championship game? 

Did they win the national championship trophy? 

If you answered yes to either question then you suffer from a severe mental delusion caused by playing slap dicks from the 6th best conference 

There is no National Championship Game; there is a Power 5 Invitational that excludes Group of 5 teams.

There is no legitimate national championship trophy.

NCAA recognizes UCF National Championship.

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1 hour ago, nolebull813 said:

Did UCF play in a national championship game? 

Did they win the national championship trophy? 

If you answered yes to either question then you suffer from a severe mental delusion caused by playing slap dicks from the 6th best conference 

USF for instance?

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