SINCE 2009.........THERE HAS ONLY BEEN "ONE"

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Since 2009 there has only been 1 public school that has Won a state title and that school was Miramar patriots. Since then No broward County Schools have one a state title.

 

 Dillard High School Leads the County (Public school Wise) With 2 Titles.! A few public schools made a run But Felt SHORT.!

 

 

So as I sit back and look at broward county football Its really ran by ST THOMAS Aquinas football american heritage won back to back but got knocked off this year.

 

 

So whats really the problem??? a lot of people laugh at me about being a dillard supporter and how we haven't done anything recently ....but from the looks of it...who has???

 

 

the ultimate Goal Is (STATE CHAMPIONSHIPS) and from the looks of it public schools in broward county just cant get it done and its really starting to bring up the questions of maybe BROWARD COUNTY should start looking at the power houses from Miami Dade and West palm beach and etc to look at there coaching methods and how they have sustained success.

[DarterBlue2]

Dillard, I think that St. Thomas and AHP poach too much of Broward's talent. In Miami, there is no Aquinas. Yes, Columbus seems to be going from strength to strength, but this is new and in any case, Dade County is a lot bigger population wise.

 

Throughout the state, the public schools lag. This is partly due to coaching. But it is also due to the availability of talent and its dispersion. In the greater Orlando area, aside from Apopka, the only Public to win a State title since 2000 has been Seminole high. Osceola has gone deep a few times but come up short, as has Boone and Lake Brantley once. 

 

if you look at Tampa Bay, aside from Plant and in the early 2000s Armwood. It is the same situation. In Jacksonville, it is even worse as I believe only one public has ever won a state title. In fact, most of the public school titles have come from either small, rural counties (Pahokee, Madison County, Glades) or mid to smaller metro areas such as Lakeland and Brevard County (Cocoa, Melbourne/Palm Bay areas) or Manatee, south of Tampa Bay. The sad facts are that aside from Miami Dade, Private schools dominate in most urban areas.

[09mrslick]

@DarterBlue2 You're absoultely correct but the only thing I wanna correct you on is the population. Yes, Miami has a bigger population then Broward but.... mostly due to a large influx of Hispanics. Felix Varela, John A. Ferguson, Ronald Reagon Doral, Westland Hialeah, Hialeah Gardens, Coral Park and Bradock are overwhelmingly hispanic populated and they all suck when it come to football. For talent wise you have to go to Southridge, Killian, South Dade, Coral Gables, Booker T. Washington, Jackson, Central, Northwestern, Norland, Carol City and American.

 

As for privates the only real threat is Columbus which get's it's talent from the down south area. Remember Columbus is a private school so if you live in Miami Gardens or Liberty and attend Carol City and Northwestern, how are you getting to school everyday and yes..... 1st month or so you may can swing that but then it becomes an hassle. Whereas Broward County; Dillard, Boyd Anderson, Stranahan and Plantation are in the same proximity. St. Thomas and Cardinal Gibbons isn't that far so it's easier to get to those schools.

 

As far as the rest of Florida like Jacksonville for instance schools like Raines, Ribault and Andrew Jackson have to compete with the like of Bolles, Bishop Kenny and Trinity Christian Academy for privates and First Coast as a public school takes a lot talent as well. I don't know what's going on with First Coast this year because they've really fallen off.

[DarterBlue2]

Slick, I hear you and understand that it would be difficult for Columbus to get Central, MNW, Norland, etc, talent. Regarding Broward, you are again correct, it is a lot easier for Aquinas or Gibbons, or AHP, for that matter to draw talent away from Plantation, Dillard, etc. But it is more than that regarding the public/private problem. 

 

In Florida, coaches don't get much for putting forth the effort that developing a program that is going to be strong year in and year out. So I think a number of potentially good coaches at the high school level leave for states like Georgia, etc., or take college positions. Perhaps not so much in South Florida, but certainly in North and Central Florida. Also, in larger population areas, individuals are too transient. Apopka has benefited from from the fact that although it is near Orlando, there are certain areas there where people have lived for three to five generations. These areas represent the backbone of the team. That and having Darlington, who runs a system driven program has worked. 

 

I am concerned that with the rise of Bishop Moore in Orlando over the last three years, they are going to draw away a number of talented individuals from the local public schools further watering down the local talent. While I have no problem with them being successful, I don't want them to be at the expense of the public schools. 

[BrowardHandicapper]

@DarterBlue2 You're absoultely correct but the only thing I wanna correct you on is the population. Yes, Miami has a bigger population then Broward but.... mostly due to a large influx of Hispanics. Felix Varela, John A. Ferguson, Ronald Reagon Doral, Westland Hialeah, Hialeah Gardens, Coral Park and Bradock are overwhelmingly hispanic populated and they all suck when it come to football. For talent wise you have to go to Southridge, Killian, South Dade, Coral Gables, Booker T. Washington, Jackson, Central, Northwestern, Norland, Carol City and American.

 

As for privates the only real threat is Columbus which get's it's talent from the down south area. Remember Columbus is a private school so if you live in Miami Gardens or Liberty and attend Carol City and Northwestern, how are you getting to school everyday and yes..... 1st month or so you may can swing that but then it becomes an hassle. Whereas Broward County; Dillard, Boyd Anderson, Stranahan and Plantation are in the same proximity. St. Thomas and Cardinal Gibbons isn't that far so it's easier to get to those schools.

 

As far as the rest of Florida like Jacksonville for instance schools like Raines, Ribault and Andrew Jackson have to compete with the like of Bolles, Bishop Kenny and Trinity Christian Academy for privates and First Coast as a public school takes a lot talent as well. I don't know what's going on with First Coast this year because they've really fallen off.

Columbus actually has a few very athletic Hispanics on their football team.  Current Columbus QB for example I believe could be Hispanic.  But they are recruiting the best of the best athletes over there regardless of ethnic background.     It goes beyond the Central Broward area for recruiting...Miramar and Pembroke Pines is probably the highest.... Coconut Creek and even Coral Springs are also highly poached areas.  Several starting star players on both AHP and STA are from Coral Springs.  You know how it is, they usually start recruiting the kids right out of the youth football leagues.  I have heard/seen so much dirt with that stuff, I would not even reference it on here.... Both AHP star RBs and the STA elite WR are from Coral Springs, and in fact were zoned for the horrendous Coral Glades High School.  Imagine Coral Glades having  a decent team LOL...Can't really blame them for getting out of Dodge and getting a great education.

 

But if you take the top 10 Publics vs. the top 10 Privates in Florida (not including IMG) I think the Publics would do fine.  As good as STA and AHP are, there are still Publics that can compete in tight games and sometimes beat those schools. In Broward, Flanagan, Deerfield Beach, Hallandale, can compete with STA and AHP on a given day.  You can add Miramar to that list in most years.   I would put Miramar, Plantation, Coconut Creek, Dillard and even Coral Springs Charter vs.  (other privates that recruit) Archbishop McCarthy, Cardinal Gibbons, University School, Nova and North Broward Prep  - all day.

 

In Dade the only Private that can compete with the best Public schools is Columbus for the most part. The second tier privates (Gulliver, Westminster, Dade Christian, Champagnat etc..) would get beat by second tier Publics (Northwestern, Jackson, Southridge etc..)

 

In Palm Beach, Oxbridge and AHD are great teams but I would take Delray Atlantic and Dwyer to compete with or beat those teams.  Definitely Delray Atlantic this year.  Second tier privates (Inlet Grove, Village Academy) would get blasted by say a  Boca Ratons, Wellington, Palm Beach Gardens and Glades Central .

[09mrslick]

@BrowardHandicapper What happened to Glades Day?

[BrowardHandicapper]

@BrowardHandicapper What happened to Glades Day?

That would be a good question for the Muck guys on here.  They have not been around for a few days.  My theory is Oxbridge Academy might be pulling in some of that talent now?   What I know is Glades day in not what they used to be . Not sure if the Head Coach Eric Pitts is still there?  They went 3-7 (maybe not even Pitts fault)  this year and ended their season like this:

 

10/2 Archbishop McCarthy 34 - 7 Glades Day

 

10/16 Champagnat Catholic 12 - 7 Glades Day

 

10/23  North Broward Prep 62 -20 Glades Day

 

10/30 Dade Christian 21 - 0 Glades Day

 

11/6 John Carrol Catholic 38 - 14 Glades Day

[Hwy17]

The way things have been going, we have seen the end of small town football in Florida.  Aside from Class 1a with is exclusive to small rural high schools, those programs that have to play in 4a and up can't compete in this environment. 

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@DarterBlue2 You're absoultely correct but the only thing I wanna correct you on is the population. Yes, Miami has a bigger population then Broward but.... mostly due to a large influx of Hispanics. Felix Varela, John A. Ferguson, Ronald Reagon Doral, Westland Hialeah, Hialeah Gardens, Coral Park and Bradock are overwhelmingly hispanic populated and they all suck when it come to football. For talent wise you have to go to Southridge, Killian, South Dade, Coral Gables, Booker T. Washington, Jackson, Central, Northwestern, Norland, Carol City and American.

 

As for privates the only real threat is Columbus which get's it's talent from the down south area. Remember Columbus is a private school so if you live in Miami Gardens or Liberty and attend Carol City and Northwestern, how are you getting to school everyday and yes..... 1st month or so you may can swing that but then it becomes an hassle. Whereas Broward County; Dillard, Boyd Anderson, Stranahan and Plantation are in the same proximity. St. Thomas and Cardinal Gibbons isn't that far so it's easier to get to those schools.

 

As far as the rest of Florida like Jacksonville for instance schools like Raines, Ribault and Andrew Jackson have to compete with the like of Bolles, Bishop Kenny and Trinity Christian Academy for privates and First Coast as a public school takes a lot talent as well. I don't know what's going on with First Coast this year because they've really fallen off.

first coast had 3 things that hurt them this year

1: they started slow out of the gate and didnt really recover from it

2: they had a lot of top players graduate

3: they on top of what i stated with reason 2, i heard some of their players transfered out in the summer which depleated them a bit 

[DarterBlue2]

first coast had 3 things that hurt them this year

1: they started slow out of the gate and didnt really recover from it

2: they had a lot of top players graduate

3: they on top of what i stated with reason 2, i heard some of their players transfered out in the summer which depleated them a bit 

 

They lost super sophomore DJ Matthews, arguably the best high school wide receiver I have ever seen live, to a certain christian school in Jacksonville. They also lost several other kids to transfer. Part of this may have to do with the murder of one of their players in the off season. 

[09mrslick]

Let me ask this question. Why is it that since 1997 no public school has won a state title besides Raines in Jacksonville. Also, why is the talent level low. In South Florida you can look at someone's schedule like Booker T. Washington who's 8-5 going to states this Saturday, yet Raines is 12-1 going to states. The whole Bishop Kenny and Bolles thing as of private schools I get that.

[DarterBlue2]

Let me ask this question. Why is it that since 1997 no public school has won a state title besides Raines in Jacksonville. Also, why is the talent level low. In South Florida you can look at someone's schedule like Booker T. Washington who's 8-5 going to states this Saturday, yet Raines is 12-1 going to states. The whole Bishop Kenny and Bolles thing as of private schools I get that.

 

The talent level is actually not that low. If you look at College and NFL rosters, there are a number of athletes from Jacksonville on them that did not go to Bolles. Given its size, Jacksonville is reasonably represented.

 

The problem lies elsewhere.

[BrowardHandicapper]

Let me ask this question. Why is it that since 1997 no public school has won a state title besides Raines in Jacksonville. Also, why is the talent level low. In South Florida you can look at someone's schedule like Booker T. Washington who's 8-5 going to states this Saturday, yet Raines is 12-1 going to states. The whole Bishop Kenny and Bolles thing as of private schools I get that.

I don't think the talent level is low at Raines. In fact, I would say talent speaking they could rival some of the bigger Broward and Dade schools with D1 talent.  Not saying they can beat/compete with them... but their is some serious talent on this Raines team. 

[09mrslick]

If some of Jacksonville powers were in Miami like Raines and First Coast how do you all think they'll fair out. First Coast despite this year is usually good. Raines I believe has an enrollment of 1050 so they'll still be in 4A and First Coast is at 2330 which is 8A. I know this is redundant but I just wanna see how people feel about other parts of Florida since we all know South Florida too well.

[DarterBlue2]

If some of Jacksonville powers were in Miami like Raines and First Coast how do you all think they'll fair out. First Coast despite this year is usually good. Raines I believe has an enrollment of 1050 so they'll still be in 4A and First Coast is at 2330 which is 8A. I know this is redundant but I just wanna see how people feel about other parts of Florida since we all know South Florida too well.

Apopka played First Coast two years running. So I have seen them live twice. Most years I think First Coast would compete well in South Florida. Not saying they make the playoffs every year, but they would be in the mix. Both years Apopka played them they had more D1 talent than we did (at least looking at the offer list). Apopka beat them because they literally punched them in the mouth. That and the fact that I don't think they ever properly adjusted to the Single Wing.

 

To compete effectively in Miami/Broward, First Coast would have to toughen up a bit. But athletically there in no doubt in my mind that they are not lacking.

 

What is interesting is that a much smaller county, St. John's, just south of Jacksonville, has done a much better job winning state titles over past 15 years.  Just sayin ...

[09mrslick]

Yeah that's so true smaller schools are doing exceptionally well.

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To be Honest  agree with everything that all of you guys said.! But lets be real when it comes down to school in S.florida particulary

 

  It starts from the top with the coaches....especially at the "black schools" You have coaches who half show up at practices ....the coaches are not even on 1 accord with each other ...the practices are unprofessional more then HALF let the kids do what they want to do horse around and actually expect professional results on game day. black schools seem to love trying to hire from within there alumni and rarely do distinctive coach searches and that's what hurt these inner city black schools yeah they balled at the school and proably made it to the NFL But that does not mean they can coach.!! and on top of that

 

 

 with more then half of the black schools down here particulary in broward county they make close to "ZERO" in game adjustments you hardly ever see them on the sidelines coaching up there players in my "opinion" if the offense is on the field the defensive coaches should have there players together and discussing there next sequence...instead you have the coaches on the other side watching the game and the players just sitting on the bench.

 

 

ANd last but not least im sorry but the generation of these kids today are LAZY.!!!! they don't want to work they watch all this tv and social media and see how all these star players go join up on 1 team so that's what they do in high school they don't want to work hard and earn it so they run to ST THOMAS AMERICAN HERITAGE where they get a free ride to college even if they don't start on the team.

 

back in the day especially in the 90's kids dreamed about growing up playing for there home school making a difference and winning a ring now its all about personal stats....there team can be down 40.!!!! and you got kids dancing and laughing on the sideline and not even upset by there teams performance that's sad bro.!!!!!! so yes what you guys stated is a good pieace of the problem but this right here is he core of the problem atleast in broward county

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@broward @slick @darter  @coloumbia I would also like you guys opinions on the basketball threads im starting in the off topic thread even if your high school basketball expertise is not like it is in football that's cool still come join ya boy I love basketball season to.

[BrowardHandicapper]

If some of Jacksonville powers were in Miami like Raines and First Coast how do you all think they'll fair out. First Coast despite this year is usually good. Raines I believe has an enrollment of 1050 so they'll still be in 4A and First Coast is at 2330 which is 8A. I know this is redundant but I just wanna see how people feel about other parts of Florida since we all know South Florida too well.

I think if Raines was in South Florida and had the BTW schedule their record would be similar, and the same for BTW with the Raines schedule.  I think they would both meet in the Final if they flip flopped.  I would give the advantage the team that played the harder schedule though.   Raines has about 10 players of D1 caliber talent.  They have 7 Seniors with Rivals 3 star or higher ratings - I believe all with multi -BCS offers.  Yes, I said Seniors....don't be surprised if Raines takes this game. Talent speaking- that is good enough to compete in South Florida in my opinion. 

[Miamidade92]

Aside from Columbus, MiamiDade doesn't have any private school powers. Columbus has recently been getting on the map. Like mentioned previously, most of their players are hispanic and very smart. That counts for a lot because they are very disciplined and know their assignments. They do recruit, but mainly for their skill positions. For example, they have a freshman running back named Darren Davis Jr. He was supposed to play at Southridge and even started fall practice there. He ended up at Columbus. Columbus has a good thing going and it's only a matter of time until they break through and win a state title. I think they could become the STA of Dade county, but I don't think they want that distinction of openly recruiting just for the sake of winning. 

 

Last year Booker T went to the other end of the county in Homestead and took Homestead High's QB and WR for their senior seasons. Without those two (Maurice Alexander & Antonio Calloway) BTW probably doesn't win a state title. That being said, ALL the winning programs recruit. Public or private. The public schools just can't make it obvious. 

 

As far as Jacksonville, it's the largest county in the state land wise, so the talent is spread out. I'm sure that plays a big part in why the public schools haven't won a state title in a while, while the private schools don't have anything holding them back from openly recruiting the best talent. 

[Terrapin]

To be Honest  agree with everything that all of you guys said.! But lets be real when it comes down to school in S.florida particulary

 

  It starts from the top with the coaches....especially at the "black schools" You have coaches who half show up at practices ....the coaches are not even on 1 accord with each other ...the practices are unprofessional more then HALF let the kids do what they want to do horse around and actually expect professional results on game day. black schools seem to love trying to hire from within there alumni and rarely do distinctive coach searches and that's what hurt these inner city black schools yeah they balled at the school and proably made it to the NFL But that does not mean they can coach.!! and on top of that

 

 

 with more then half of the black schools down here particulary in broward county they make close to "ZERO" in game adjustments you hardly ever see them on the sidelines coaching up there players in my "opinion" if the offense is on the field the defensive coaches should have there players together and discussing there next sequence...instead you have the coaches on the other side watching the game and the players just sitting on the bench.

 

 

ANd last but not least im sorry but the generation of these kids today are LAZY.!!!! they don't want to work they watch all this tv and social media and see how all these star players go join up on 1 team so that's what they do in high school they don't want to work hard and earn it so they run to ST THOMAS AMERICAN HERITAGE where they get a free ride to college even if they don't start on the team.

 

back in the day especially in the 90's kids dreamed about growing up playing for there home school making a difference and winning a ring now its all about personal stats....there team can be down 40.!!!! and you got kids dancing and laughing on the sideline and not even upset by there teams performance that's sad bro.!!!!!! so yes what you guys stated is a good pieace of the problem but this right here is he core of the problem atleast in broward county

 

 

Completely agree with you, Dillard. My alumni, Crestview High School is having a problem with coaching. The current coach is 15-17 (if I remember right) and might get gutted if he can't turn the program around. The last coach had a negative record as well despite having the right intentions... however, my middle school alumni has won two back to back county championships going against schools that feed into Niceville (a better program than us that makes it to regional finals back to back). There's variables that go into if a kid hits a growth spurt between freshman and senior year, but I think there is talent, just not a stable coaching foundation and it may just end up tossing around until the admins find some level of success at Crestview. We are now considered a basketball school since football has dropped down. 

 

Northwest Florida has some success, 1A Baker turned around... I think they can get the hump though and make it to the state championship. I think also talent goes to baker from our middle schools especially now since Baker is winning while Crestview is slumping. It's only a 15 minute drive if you live in Crestview. 

 

Niceville and Choctawhatchee are the successful schools, one reason is they are in nicer communities than where I went to school. And Niceville is a hop, skip, and a jump away from the airforce base which a lot of good kids come in and out so talent comes to Niceville, and Choctaw's coach has turned the program into something greater since 2009. (Which goes back to your first point, about the top... he is serious and it shows with how Choctaw turned around). Although, to add to that, Niceville's coach has been in the game 32 years... so he has seen it all and knows what to do with his experience. (There was a recent controversy last season before the 2014 football season, when 4 kids from Fort Walton went through loopholes in the transfer system and played for Niceville because they are the successful program.... kids want to win so they go to a school that shows their talents and can land them that ride to college). I can't really speak on those loopholes though, I don't know enough. Niceville sends a lot of athletes to the upper level. We only sent 1 kid to D1 ball and that was Denzil Ware who is a redshirt freshman now on Kentucky. For some kids, sports is all they have though and that's what they invest in to get them into college. 

 

Aside from Columbus, MiamiDade doesn't have any private school powers. Columbus has recently been getting on the map. Like mentioned previously, most of their players are hispanic and very smart. That counts for a lot because they are very disciplined and know their assignments. They do recruit, but mainly for their skill positions. For example, they have a freshman running back named Darren Davis Jr. He was supposed to play at Southridge and even started fall practice there. He ended up at Columbus. Columbus has a good thing going and it's only a matter of time until they break through and win a state title. I think they could become the STA of Dade county, but I don't think they want that distinction of openly recruiting just for the sake of winning. 

 

Last year Booker T went to the other end of the county in Homestead and took Homestead High's QB and WR for their senior seasons. Without those two (Maurice Alexander & Antonio Calloway) BTW probably doesn't win a state title. That being said, ALL the winning programs recruit. Public or private. The public schools just can't make it obvious. 

 

As far as Jacksonville, it's the largest county in the state land wise, so the talent is spread out. I'm sure that plays a big part in why the public schools haven't won a state title in a while, while the private schools don't have anything holding them back from openly recruiting the best talent. 

 

 

Yea, Armwood and Central ran into those problems years ago. They started ineligible players and had to forgo their state titles or playoff runs. I wouldn't be surprised if Niceville recruits kids, they didn't do that though in the controversy i spoke of, parents and kids see they are the winning school here in northwest florida so they are willing to drive 30+ minutes from my hometown if that means the kid may land a scholarship and play college ball. Since tuition for college is high, the recent trend here in the county is to focus on one sport, whether it's the big 3, or another one in hopes to get a scholarship for that sport to play at the next level. I don't really have a problem with that though, except the transfer loopholes are loose so anyone can jump to the next school to play ball which is allegedly one reason Fort Walton Beaches former coach quit. 

 

So, Navarre and Niceville are really the only schools to play football for. Choctaw while I speak highly of them, they end up losing to Navarre or Niceville anyways since Niceville dropped from 7A to 6A. Into Pensacola, Tate surprised us going into the playoffs, I don't know much about the Pensacola schools besides Catholic beating us out sometimes. 

 

Lincoln is a decent school, there record this year wasn't good, but they are force to be reckon with. They went to state one year when Armwood was playing ineligible players I think in 2010? Not sure what happened though, maybe the talent wasn't there or went somewhere else this season? 

[BrowardHandicapper]

Since 2009 there has only been 1 public school that has Won a state title and that school was Miramar patriots. Since then No broward County Schools have one a state title.

 

 Dillard High School Leads the County (Public school Wise) With 2 Titles.! A few public schools made a run But Felt SHORT.!

 

 

So as I sit back and look at broward county football Its really ran by ST THOMAS Aquinas football american heritage won back to back but got knocked off this year.

 

 

So whats really the problem??? a lot of people laugh at me about being a dillard supporter and how we haven't done anything recently ....but from the looks of it...who has???

 

 

the ultimate Goal Is (STATE CHAMPIONSHIPS) and from the looks of it public schools in broward county just cant get it done and its really starting to bring up the questions of maybe BROWARD COUNTY should start looking at the power houses from Miami Dade and West palm beach and etc to look at there coaching methods and how they have sustained success.

2015 - Problem Solved.  A little new blood in the mix with Flanagan putting a Broward public school back on the map, and breaking the Broward 5 year public school drought.  Flanagan Falcons had a pretty hard road to State Title but pulled it off last night vs. a gritty Osceola team.  The game was closer than the final score but the Flanagan defense eventually put Osceola in an offensive predicament they were not very familiar and fond of.  Overall, South Florida fared pretty well at States I thought. 3 publics and 1 private has led me to believe THERE IS NO PROBLEM!  Just a little drought for Broward publics due mostly to great teams out of Miami Dade the last few years....  Considering Hallandale knocked off AHP in the Playoffs,  Deerfield Beach knocked off STA in the regular season, and Flanagan's late season Title run on a hard road including the demolition of the best team out of Palm Beach (Atlantic) and the second best team out of Miami-Dade in Columbus;  I think it is safe to say Broward football -public of private is doing just fine.

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Completely agree with you, Dillard. My alumni, Crestview High School is having a problem with coaching. The current coach is 15-17 (if I remember right) and might get gutted if he can't turn the program around. The last coach had a negative record as well despite having the right intentions... however, my middle school alumni has won two back to back county championships going against schools that feed into Niceville (a better program than us that makes it to regional finals back to back). There's variables that go into if a kid hits a growth spurt between freshman and senior year, but I think there is talent, just not a stable coaching foundation and it may just end up tossing around until the admins find some level of success at Crestview. We are now considered a basketball school since football has dropped down. 

 

Northwest Florida has some success, 1A Baker turned around... I think they can get the hump though and make it to the state championship. I think also talent goes to baker from our middle schools especially now since Baker is winning while Crestview is slumping. It's only a 15 minute drive if you live in Crestview. 

 

Niceville and Choctawhatchee are the successful schools, one reason is they are in nicer communities than where I went to school. And Niceville is a hop, skip, and a jump away from the airforce base which a lot of good kids come in and out so talent comes to Niceville, and Choctaw's coach has turned the program into something greater since 2009. (Which goes back to your first point, about the top... he is serious and it shows with how Choctaw turned around). Although, to add to that, Niceville's coach has been in the game 32 years... so he has seen it all and knows what to do with his experience. (There was a recent controversy last season before the 2014 football season, when 4 kids from Fort Walton went through loopholes in the transfer system and played for Niceville because they are the successful program.... kids want to win so they go to a school that shows their talents and can land them that ride to college). I can't really speak on those loopholes though, I don't know enough. Niceville sends a lot of athletes to the upper level. We only sent 1 kid to D1 ball and that was Denzil Ware who is a redshirt freshman now on Kentucky. For some kids, sports is all they have though and that's what they invest in to get them into college. 

 

 

 

Yea, Armwood and Central ran into those problems years ago. They started ineligible players and had to forgo their state titles or playoff runs. I wouldn't be surprised if Niceville recruits kids, they didn't do that though in the controversy i spoke of, parents and kids see they are the winning school here in northwest florida so they are willing to drive 30+ minutes from my hometown if that means the kid may land a scholarship and play college ball. Since tuition for college is high, the recent trend here in the county is to focus on one sport, whether it's the big 3, or another one in hopes to get a scholarship for that sport to play at the next level. I don't really have a problem with that though, except the transfer loopholes are loose so anyone can jump to the next school to play ball which is allegedly one reason Fort Walton Beaches former coach quit. 

 

So, Navarre and Niceville are really the only schools to play football for. Choctaw while I speak highly of them, they end up losing to Navarre or Niceville anyways since Niceville dropped from 7A to 6A. Into Pensacola, Tate surprised us going into the playoffs, I don't know much about the Pensacola schools besides Catholic beating us out sometimes. 

 

Lincoln is a decent school, there record this year wasn't good, but they are force to be reckon with. They went to state one year when Armwood was playing ineligible players I think in 2010? Not sure what happened though, maybe the talent wasn't there or went somewhere else this season? 

lincoln still has the talent but its more split now then in past years, and they had a hard schedule so thats reason they went 5-7 

[09mrslick]

Yeah Flanagan did and for me 8A particularly down south is always a toss up. Over the year's it's been Miramar, Cypress Bay, South Dade, Columbus and now Flanagan. Whereas 4A and 6A we pretty much no who's going Booker T. Washington and Central.

[Zoe Boy]

Yeah Flanagan did and for me 8A particularly down south is always a toss up. Over the year's it's been Miramar, Cypress Bay, South Dade, Columbus and now Flanagan. Whereas 4A and 6A we pretty much no who's going Booker T. Washington and Central.

Well 6a this year I honestly thought Carol City was coming out and we didn't expect BTW to win this year...