Jambun82
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15 hours ago, THAT S--T WAS FUNNY said:
Maybe I am more qualified than you think. I might even be an official like you.
You have no clue if I am an official or not.
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40 minutes ago, THAT S--T WAS FUNNY said:
Jambun you are more than welcome for me calling you a TURD....Whenever you need another "compliment" just let me know. I got a bunch for people like you.
That is good to read. Keep the compliments coming. Since you are not qualified to critique or rate officials or officiating, complimenting me seems to be something that you might have some knowledge of, maybe.
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5 hours ago, THAT S--T WAS FUNNY said:
Well then I guess your just an all around TURD
Thank you for the COMPLIMENT!
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8 hours ago, Longtime Observer said:
Well, how you may act in your role as an official for high school or youth sports IS the business of all stakeholders in the sport. Again, it seems clear you think you're above any sort of criticism. But, you are mistaken.
How I act in my life, in any situation, is none of your business either.
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11 hours ago, THAT S--T WAS FUNNY said:
I hope your not like you are on this board when you officiate high school or youth sports.
Whatever or however I act in my life, in any situation, is none of your business.
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20 hours ago, THAT S--T WAS FUNNY said:
That part right there is what drives coaches crazy on the sidelines. I will add that most officials seem to not have egos and are in it for the kids. I guess the same can be said for coaches as well.
You are as qualified as Longtime Observer to rate and critique high school officials or officiating. That means not-at-all.
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On 9/1/2023 at 4:37 PM, Longtime Observer said:
Well, first, your opinion as to my qualifications or lack thereof is irrelevant to my freedom to criticize or question officiating. You don't have the authority to tell me I can't question or criticize officiating. That you seem to think you do have this authority is revealing of problems with the mindset held by at least some officials.
Second, the point I'm driving home here is about how, despite the rulebooks saying the same things, how holding and unsportsmanlike conduct penalties are called in high school is quite different from college or the pros. What this means is that you, and other officials like you, are disagreeing not with me or other fans...but with other officials at levels of the game superior to yours. And so that means you'd actually end up debating those more high qualified officials over how/when to enforce these penalties. So, I've been trying to get you to tell us what kinds of points you'd make to these more highly qualified officials to justify your different approach to enforcement. That you won't do it only serves to demonstrate the problems in how high school officials see themselves and their roles in the games.
I will repeat this again. You have no qualifications and are not qualified to critique and rate high school officials or officiating. You don't know anything about the subject, you think that you know, but you don't know, and you NEVER WILL.
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7 hours ago, Longtime Observer said:
Well, first, your opinion as to my qualifications or lack thereof is irrelevant to my freedom to criticize or question officiating. You don't have the authority to tell me I can't question or criticize officiating. That you seem to think you do have this authority is revealing of problems with the mindset held by at least some officials.
Second, the point I'm driving home here is about how, despite the rulebooks saying the same things, how holding and unsportsmanlike conduct penalties are called in high school is quite different from college or the pros. What this means is that you, and other officials like you, are disagreeing not with me or other fans...but with other officials at levels of the game superior to yours. And so that means you'd actually end up debating those more high qualified officials over how/when to enforce these penalties. So, I've been trying to get you to tell us what kinds of points you'd make to these more highly qualified officials to justify your different approach to enforcement. That you won't do it only serves to demonstrate the problems in how high school officials see themselves and their roles in the games.
I repeat, you know nothing about high school officiating, and you never will. Thankfully, officials do not have to deal with people like you too often.
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9 hours ago, cribboy305 said:
I agree refs should be compensated fairly but thats on you guys. Come together & form an association where you actually have some power. Til then the ppl are gonna complain when games are being rigged or called unfairly. Sad but its what it is, either respect it & see to change or get on here & act like the police. Either way nothing won’t change til the officials come together & change it.
There would be no High School Football games if that happened.
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1 hour ago, ExplorerHomer2 said:
So its like witchcraft or something? You guys have a rosetta stone? A secret handshake? Skull and Bones organization? Maybe we found the illuminatii here on this board. All the time I thought it was the politicians running the shadow world from some pizza store in suburban Washington DC. But nope, its those damned esoteric zebras.
I just wonder if other professions took that attitude, how you would change your tune. Imagine your kid's teacher saying something to that effect: "You don;' know what we are looking for, we won't explain it to you and we NEVER will"?!
I BET you'd rip him/her a new one telling them about all the things they can and can't teach. All the books they can and can't use. What parts of history they have to leave out. I'd bet you feel that way about most anything you don't agree with.
At the end of the day, I wonder what you think this forum is for? Officiating is a huge part of the game. We're just supposed to quietly ignore bad calls? You think we are incapable of not only discerning a missed call when we have the benefit of replay at home and the ref doesn't, but also that we don't even have the right to complain??? WOW! Sounds like some authoritarian type shit right there. Check yourself, Kim Jam-bun...
How about this ExplorerHomer2, provide officials with pensions, paid sick time, health insurance, etc. similar to what other Government Employees receive and then we can talk about officials being "public servants" who have to answer to the whims of fans who sit in the bleachers and cheer. How about that?
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3 hours ago, Longtime Observer said:
I, and every single person on this board and in this country, has the authority to make any comment we wish. You see, in the United States, we have what's called The Constitution, which has many amendments. One of the amendments, the very first one as a matter of fact, protects the speech of citizens. The rest of the reply was covered by Trelle above.
The issue is that you don't what you are talking about when it comes to officials, officiating, and the concerns, problems, that officials care about and deal with. Have you ever wondered why there is a severe shortage of High School Sports Officials Nationwide?
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7 hours ago, Trelle said:
Why not?
Are you not an independent contractor whose pay comes from the school and/or state? You agreed wether or not it’s a lot or a little, to a monetary agreement to to this jobs which is paid for by tax payers. If my money or anyone else’s is paying for you to do a job, then we as tax payers have the right comment, judge, or petition for change. Your paid just as a teacher is paid, if we have concerns with a teacher we can either take it to the school or the school board. If we have an issue with a contractor doing road maintenance we’re allowed to bring it up to our city council or city maintenance manager. Don’t forget your place and say you demand things or people have no authority to question things. If anything we have more power than you. There’s a difference between you not liking what we have to say, and us voicing a concern. You can be fired, we can’t. You’re a public servant at the end of the day, don’t forget that.
Hahahaha, thank you for the great laugh, Trelle!
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9 hours ago, cribboy305 said:
go watch the game then & stop talkin
You don't tell me what to do, and I will talk as long as I want to, cribboy305.
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10 hours ago, Longtime Observer said:
It's time for new leadership and a new approach for officials in the state. The current leadership and approach is not willing to reflect and seek improvement. Officials SHOULD answer to all stakeholders: coaches, players, school administrators and fans. They aren't supposed to have their own axe to grind, which they keep secret from everyone else. If officials operate as if they answer to no one other than themselves, they demonstrate themselves to be unfit for such employment. It seems clear we need to start over. Part of that can and probably should involve better compensation. But, it also must involve training officials as to their responsibilities, as well as the ways in which they are not permitted to intervene.
You have no authority to make a comment or judgement like that.
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10 hours ago, DarterBlue2 said:
No, as I stated earlier, the local on-line paper stated that an Apopka player (unnamed) had briefly stepped out of bounds before the ball was caught (it is not cleared whether it had yet been thrown, based on the article).
If the foul occurred when the ball had already been caught, then the penalty enforcement would be from the spot of the foul. If the ball had not been caught when the foul occurred, then the penalty enforcement would be from the previous spot.
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12 minutes ago, DarterBlue2 said:
Yes. The line of scrimmage was about the Apopka 40; the ball was snapped low to the APK QB who was in the gun. But he handled it well, and immediately hurled it downfield to the receiver who caught it in stride.
When the TD was called back, the ball was spotted very near mid-field, if I remember correctly.
Hold on, when the foul was committed had the ball already been caught by the receiver?
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1 hour ago, Longtime Observer said:
It's often hard to tell when you're joking and when you're dead serious. If you're serious here, I think it's very revealing as to how many refs think of themselves, the players and the fans. Coaches, players and fans should not be left in the dark, unable to know what refs "are trying to achieve and are looking for". There are a great number of judgment calls- holding and unsportsmanlike conduct being two prominent ones- and the judgment (or lack thereof) employed at the high school level is very frequently divergent from that seen at the higher levels of the game. Officials need to be willing to come out and directly answer, Why? If current leadership within officials' organizations is advising a condescending attitude to those who are skeptical as to what's going on, then leadership needs to be removed.
I can assure that I am dead serious Longtime Observer. You are not qualified to critique and rate officials and officiating, you don't know what officials are looking for and you never will, and no official will explain that to you with your preconceived notions.
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9 hours ago, cribboy305 said:
man is the referee regulator, sent here on official business by the state to distract us gentlemen.
Nope, I do this on my own to educate and hold people accountable when officiating is a topic on this message board cribboy305.
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10 hours ago, PinellasFB said:
I'm on the coast west of you and we've had wide spread bad flooding as well as squall after squall come through. Entire Pinellas got hit hard so I'm guessing games have to be cancelled for Thursday. Friday might still be a go but many roads are impassable still.
After the big hurricane in 2017, most to almost all games were made up on Monday, Tuesday, and even Saturday Nights, later in the season. Teams were willing to play two games in less than 7 days to make sure all games were played, even JV games. That should be considered again hopefully.
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11 hours ago, DarterBlue2 said:
Then it is curious that the officials did not back us up 15 yards. I believe they actually placed the ball a few yards ahead of the prior spot near mid-field.
The play was a pass, correct?
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Just now, DarterBlue2 said:
I read in a local paper that it was called because a player was briefly out of bounds before the receiver caught the ball. It did not say whether it was the receiver or another player. Please share your knowledge and any insight you may have.
I certainly saw no unsportsmanlike action on the part of the receiver who had a step on the corner, caught the ball in stride, cut a little to his left and scored easily.
If a player stepped out of bounds on his own without being pushed out by an opponent, that is an Illegal Participation Foul. 15 yards from the previous spot since that was a loose-ball play(passing) and replay the down. The touchdown is canceled.
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34 minutes ago, Beek said:
Not going to get into a argument with you because your name says it all. Self reflection is the best thing of all. How many kids on osceolas team are zoned for osceola! How many of them were / are transfers? and secondly who really cares except for those who are trying to win a pointless argument. Every school has transfers. Its the wild west out there for high school transfers. If you are not happy somewhere go somewhere else. As for incoming transfers, yes Poinciana has had some. some of them were originally zoned for poinciana and just came back, A lot of our starters are Poinciana only students. Osceola has some transfers that are zoned for Poinciana. So why not hate on them!. You wont, because you can only have a one sided opinion. Osceola has transfers from all over. So does poinciana, so does everyone else. If you dont like that then fix the problem. But no one can do that. But do not attack us for what we are doing. We have finally stopped the bleeding of players and have become a destination for some kids looking for an opportunity to play. We have changed the culture. If you cant see that, take off your one sided glasses. We are not putting down anyone or any program. We are just making a difference. Every kid who wanted to go to the next level got an offer. We work hard getting kids in school. After all that is the point, not just winning games.
Beek, I hope that you and your team and players are staying safe and I wish you all the best as always. Most posters on this message board know and respect the job that you are doing at Poinciana, and I wish that there were more High School Coaches like you.
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On 8/28/2023 at 8:02 AM, DarterBlue2 said:
That is what I thought. But the Orlando Sentinel reported that the TD was disallowed due to an unsportsmanlike call on Apopka; a few Twitter threads suggested as much. My old, tired eyes did not see a personal foul committed by the Apopka receiver. Now it's possible there could have been a hold by the receiver enabling the receiver to get two steps ahead of the corner that I did not see as my eyes were focused on the QB who handled a low snap well before hurling it downfield. Apopka snapped the ball from about its own 40, but when the TD was brought back the ball was placed nearer to midfield. For the life of me, I can't figure out why the TD was disallowed.
Did you ever determine if the penalty was a Personal Foul or an Unsportsmanlike Conduct Foul, DarterBlue2?
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10 hours ago, THAT S--T WAS FUNNY said:
This dude gotta be drinking
Yes, water, iced tea, and Pepsi. The only beer that I drink is root beer.
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This is a great post. Welcome to the message board, Hssports. You have made more great points in this one post than several other posters have made in years of posting to this message board. Thank you again.