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University High School (Orlando) I thought they had already a guy from out of state, but it seems the position is open again.
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Very close All ticket sales in county is distributed equally regardless of who brings in fans and who stadium is empty The centralized scheduling basically means that outside of OOS games and KOC the teams can only play teams in county for non conference games And the only way they can play OOS or KOC games from outside the county is if the team specifically (not the county) or the OOS team covers the costs I got a few other details from speaking to a coach of a very big name program but I'll stop there Let's just say that is only tip of iceberg
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This is not the first time I have heard about Hillsborough's central funding/scheduling system. Could this be explained more? Does this mean that Plant/Armwood can never schedule outside of the county (beyond district games)? Does this mean that Plant takes in $10,000 for a home game and King takes in $1000 that they equalize it all in the end? I know Palm Beach County has an athletics office that will often assist with scheduling, but I don't think it was this centralized.
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I didn't know exactly how many years it was but I remembered them losing to Apopka that year and they should had of lost to Robert E. Lee a couple of years ago (controversial call). I also depends on schedule I see they play decent teams. Unless they run the table they wont get every home playoff game. then took at armwood, they win both home and away but manage to lay an egg in they state title game for the last 10 years. was basically saying that great teams win on the road. plant is a dynasty though no doubt about it
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Some truth to what you say, but not entirely accurate. I'm not sure what you mean when you say "in so many years," but using just this decade (which eliminates three of Plant's four State Championships), Plant has been in the playoffs every year. Their overall playoff record in the games played since (and including) 2010 is 24-8. They've hosted 17 home games and have won 16 of them. The lone exception was a state semifinals loss to Apopka in 2013. Not including state finals games played in Orlando, they've played 12 playoff games on the road and have won 7 (including wins at Viera, twice, at Lakeland, at Ft. Pierce Central and at East Lake when they were loaded). Of their five road losses, two were at Lakeland (including this year's loss in the Regional Finals to the eventual state champs) and two were at Dr. Phillips. In the state finals, Plant has lost to STA twice (in 2010 and 2016) and beat Miramar once (in 2011). A couple more observations: if last year's state semifinals game had been played in Tampa instead of Jacksonville, I think Plant would have beaten Bartram Trail. Similarly, if this year's regional finals game had been played in Tampa instead of Lakeland, I don't think it would have mattered - Lakeland still would have won (but it would have been a little closer). By virtue of winning their district, Plant has hosted the first round of the playoffs all nine years this decade. And they have won all nine games. Since the FHSAA changed the way playoffs are scheduled (first to the point system and now to the power index), the opening game is the only playoff game that Plant has played at home. The other five playoff games have all been road games. No doubt that history has shown that the Panthers have a better chance to win at home than on the road (probably true of most teams), but Hillsborough County's central funding/scheduling system may guaranty that Plant never gets to host a playoff game after the first round again, unless they can go undefeated.
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in mandarin its even worse.
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exactly
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I have unfortunately made my mess and now have to live in it. My wife works from home so she doesn’t mind and the kids attend a fantastic school (elementary). We may move when the kids get older and have them attend a private school in town. My thinking is my younger co-workers (same with my friends) are starting to stay in town more, even with kids. I think the younger generation is valuing their time more and less willing to sit in traffic. I hope this continues and Duval County schools improve as a result.
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Jacksonville traffic is the weirdest thing to me. Whenever I travel there on 95 or 10, the traffic is usually ok. You get off on JTB or University or Beach and all of a sudden there is just random stops. No rhyme or reason, just 100s of cars in a small area (no accident, no police). Orange Park area is even worse though. Everybody rides on the same darn road (Blanding). Yuck, I would sooner drive all the way to Fletcher across Jacksonville rush hour traffic than to ever drive to any of the Clay County schools during rush hour. There will always be the balancing act of how far will people be willing to drive vs how "nice" of schools do we insist on. I think for Fleming Island, PV, Nocatee, those adults made those decisions. "I want very nice house, no riff raff, and nice schools even if it means that I have to drive an hour each day." I don't think they are going to change their minds in the short term or at least not enough to cause Bolles to have their admissions office flooded with people willing to pay that cost.
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That looks and sounds about right
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So Bolles makes final 4 and loses to Cocoa
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None of that matters unless they're bringing home that trophy. Tampa plant hasn't lost a home playoff game in so many years but yet still haven't able to hoist up the trophy
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Aye don't ask me I'm a fan, I'm not the coach ask THEM that maybe their playbook change in the playoffs, but facts is still facts like example Vero beating Oscar Smith Venice and Pahokee AWAY on the road, people had questions about whether we could bring the W back.....while Vero has beaten solid teams like Viera and Pahokee at home I mean just sayin those are facts
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just noticed cocoa in in region 2....so they have to play bolles before state.. wow
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Here's what I see as a distant, impartial observer: Someone at Bolles (or a small collection of influential boosters) have made the decision, with the school's blessing, that they want to make a return to their football glory years. So, they looked around, found the best coach they could find in the area, and threw enough money at him to make the move from Ponte Vedra to Bolles. Having made that commitment, Bolles isn't going to start turning away good football players. If anything, I would suspect the amount of "scholarship" money is going to be increased. You don't go out and hire a million dollar a year CEO to manage a group of $20K a year employees. Whether they come in the form of transfers from Ponte Vedra or elsewhere, they will come. They will come.
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You are absolutely correct. Add in Fleming Island to that upper middle class category. I do think that as the area continues to change, you will see more families moving back to Jacksonville for a shorter commute. My commute from Fleming Island to the JTB area is over an hour each way. I’m ready to move over that way!
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Judging by the look of Bolles teams over the past 5 years, they have had vastly less talent than in the past. I think them getting any athlete in is not a reality.
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Who in region 2 of 4a?
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True but I see them still going to state because there is no competition in the north region in 4a. If you noticed the last couple of years Raines been having a cake walk to state finals with west Nassau being their toughest game in playoff now Bolles fills that void since Raines moved up so Bolles should be in state title game. Im sure Bolles can get any athlete they want there. but now the schools are Raines, Sandalwood, Mandarin, and Trinity when it comes to top quality talent in the area.
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Bolles finds a way to get the kids in. I don't think Bolles has the allure that it once did. Bolles has always been a place for the wealthy white of Jacksonville to attend who were afraid to send their kids to Duval public schools. The emergence of Stanton, Paxon, and Wolfson as IB schools with strong academics. Additionally, in the last 20 years, schools in northern St. Johns County (Creekside, Ponte Vedra, Bartram Trail, Nease) are increasingly strong academic schools within wealthy neighborhoods with strong athletics. The upper middle class of Jacksonville have started moving to northern St. Johns and take advantage of the public schools than stay in Jacksonville and pay Bolles tuition. There will always be those willing to send their children to Bolles for the status of going to Bolles, but long term, I think the days of Bolles being a dominant state-wide football program are over. They will still be good enough to play to the regional finals every year, but I don't think we will see them going to the state championship every other year like it seemed to be in the 90s and early 2000s
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In that case they to play the state title game @ home and maybe they'll win it every year. greats teams win on the Road in hostile environments.
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not exactly. first you have to get accepted to go to Bolles (which in sure that'll be no problem). I think the program will be back on top well at least in the North region. they Should make state based on probably the hardest team they face in the playoff will be West Nassau now that Raines moved up to 5a. Now Bolles winning state will be the question. Having to face a Cocoa, University, Booker T, or now Carol City ( just moved from 6a to 4a) will be too much to handle for Bolles. Bolles doesn't have the athletes to compete.
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not exactly. first you have to get accepted to go to Bolles (which in sure that'll be no problem). I think the program will be back on top well at least in the North region. they Should make state based on probably the hardest team they face in the playoff will be West Nassau now that Raines moved up to 5a. Now Bolles winning state will be the question. Having to face a Cocoa, University, Booker T, or now Carol City ( just moved from 6a to 4a) will be too much to handle for Bolles. Bolles doesn't have the athletes to compete.
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I guess that will be something to watch in off-season
