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  1. Most jobs dont require you to take homework home and grade papers and make lessons and then take classes to recertify and then take classes to try to earn a real wage either by getting a masters. Plus alot of teachers coach and get paid very little for alot of work. A assistant fb coach usually gets around 3k for the following work. Spring ball 20 practices and 5 days for conditioning. 4 days a week lifting in summer, 7 on 7 practices and tournament from Jan -April and then in summer again. Practice from august to mid November unless you make a run and go till December. If teaching is such a great pay gig and easy job then why are 1 in 5 teachers leaving the profession or state to teach somewhere else.
    5 points
  2. Hey, why can't we just have the FHSAA and MaxPreps come up with a secret formula to rate all the teachers and then pay them based on that?
    5 points
  3. I’m waiting for someone to blame this on Lakeland too.
    4 points
  4. See, I knew not being able to play 8 home games this year would come back to haunt Venice.
    3 points
  5. Tremendous travesty without a doubt. I spoke about this possibility a couple of years ago when I initially joined this forum and sadly it is coming to fruition and I was hoping so much to be wrong.
    3 points
  6. I’m looking for 2024 schedules not 2023
    3 points
  7. Some schools never have a prayer of winning a state title, especially in today's age. Call them exhibition games for all I care. Just give them more games. More games, more money. More games, more exposure. As long as we don't confuse it for what it is not, I don't see an issue.
    3 points
  8. I do like the mention of adapting the Georgia model of cross-region bracketing and think it would be worth considering for all classifications. This would allow two teams from the same District/Region to meet in the state finals, rather than one team being eliminated in the Region finals. If AHP and Norland (now both in District 4A-15) happen to be the two best teams in 4A this year, it would seem more desirable to have them meet in the state finals, or at least the state semi-finals. The issue of travel has been pointed out as a deterrent to the Georgia model in Florida, but perhaps it could at least be utilized in a "North" and "South" bracket.
    3 points
  9. I don't hate this as a concept if you just look at it as just "more football" for kids/coaches/fans. I personally wouldn't hate having a "B" bracket so long as the winner of said bracket is not considered a state champion...because they're not. But more football isn't a bad thing, it is just all about perspective. You cannot call these teams state champions. I am concerned this is just a cash grab from the FHSAA though. If they can "prove" that it works in the rural divisions, then they can have more football games at the higher levels of classification and rake in the money....
    3 points
  10. I appreciate you for doing this, on my mother's side of the family my grandaddy went to Richardson(Lake City) and my grandma went to Gifford(Vero Beach), Gifford High is currently Gifford Middle
    3 points
  11. https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/sports/high-school/2024/03/09/possible-bill-would-mean-big-raise-for-florida-high-school-coaches/72896876007/] underpaid teachers, underpaid coaches, why in the world would this pass? anyone want to make some extra money, start a high school coaches moving company. get a couple uhual trucks and make a ton of money driving to georgia weekly. will be interesting to see if this thing were to pass,
    2 points
  12. Just to be clear, no one was suggesting to base teachers pay on a poll of students. To think that would be "Simple-minded" as you previously suggested. It was simply an observation on the fact that they have that ability to discern, yet the administrator responsible and being compensated for their performance can't or won't. Seems like an oxymoron to me as does the fact most school districts somehow manage to figure out among the thousands of teachers and dozens of separate schools who the "Teacher of the Year" is. The criteria used in this selection process could be used to rate teachers on a three-tier system of above average, average and below average with corresponding compensation. One can come up with all kinds of reasons why it won't work, but it really boils down to the union and teachers themselves. With regards to the coaches pay, I recently read another article in the Orlando Sentinel written by sportswriter Chris Hays that this proposal isn't being considered in this years legislative agenda but not until next year. He does accurately point out that one of the biggest obstacles to overcome is the teachers themselves not wanting to have said coaches compensated properly for the extra work. He states that they would revolt. Sad when you think about it as for years I sit in the stands to many athletic events for OHS and rarely see teachers there to support one of their students or even their school at these activities. Seems like at too many schools whatever we are doing today certainly isn't working.
    2 points
  13. Added a bunch vs Georgia today since the GHSA released the schedules for all their member schools. A great feature that the FHSAA refuses to do
    2 points
  14. The same argument for teachers/coaches can be made for nurses, law enforcement, and other first responders, etc. None of them are paid what they are "worth". From an economic standpoint, no one would willingly pay someone more to do a job when someone will do the same job for less (i.e. supply and demand). As long as enough people are willing to work for current wages in these fields, in many cases out of the goodness of their heart or at significant personal financial sacrifice, the government and corporations see no need to raise wages. Unfortunately, the nonmonetary, societal benefit that individuals in these fields provide is often not recognized (coming from the spouse of a 35+ year educator). When we wake up one day and have a drastic shortage of workers in these fields, our society will be in big trouble, let alone high school football.
    2 points
  15. @Perspective 17 games against non-district games. 9 away, 8 home Durant at Lake Gibson Lennard at Pasco Robinson at Seminole Spoto at Davenport Sumner at Bartram Trail Riverview at Sarasota Riverview Steinbrenner at River Ridge Hillsborough at Columbia Tampa Bay Tech at Venice Palmetto at Alonso Oviedo at Sickles Lakeland at Sumner Palmetto at Newsome Cardinal Mooney at Leto Cardinal Mooney at Chamberlain Jenkins at Jefferson Fort Meade at Freedom
    2 points
  16. I’ll have to get back to you. Family time first, researching non district away games for Hillsborough County high school football teams second
    2 points
  17. No doubt. I mean, he'd NEVER visit Rutgers. Duh
    2 points
  18. According to Raymond's X account, Raymond has official visits scheduled as follows: 3/7: USF 3/23: Syracuse 3/29: West Virginia 3/30: Rutgers 4/1: Venice High School (Note: 80% of this post is factually accurate)
    2 points
  19. Sadly, NIL is about to ruin high school football in Florida | Commentary
    2 points
  20. nolebull, thank you for taking the time to post all of these. And, thank you to gatorman-uf for posting the coaching updates.
    2 points
  21. Four road games?!?! How is Venice going to make their numbers work??
    2 points
  22. Isn't this basically what the Sunshine State Athletic Association did at the end of this past season -- where every team participated in some form of post-season play and the teams were grouped together based on their records/rankings? I'm wondering if this is a proactive effort to keep football alive and kicking in the rural areas. Regardless, I'm not a fan of the 'bottom half' of any classification being able to compete for a "state championship."
    2 points
  23. @nolebull813 thanks for posting this. I took the time to leaf through the yearbook. It was quite informative, especially for a man originally from Jamaica. From beginning to the end of their journey, the graduating class shrunk by more than 80%. To put that into perspective, that's an alarming but understandable rate for the times. I have no idea how that graduating class fared in their lives. WW2 was not that far off; the Great Depression was dead ahead; and the USA was a lot less hospitable to those of us "not blessed" with a certain ancestry. I don't know what motivated you to post this, but want to express my appreciation to you for doing so.
    2 points
  24. This is a bit of an incoherent mess. The matter of parents' rights is separate from teacher/coaches pay and teacher certification. All are valid, but distinct, concerns.
    1 point
  25. I'm definitely gonna get the night off lol, I ate at fishack last week.... For a spring game, this is interesting, I wanna see Vero deals with the QB/RB tandem from West Boca
    1 point
  26. I'm not sure what that has to do with why Roland should or shouldn't take the job. Plenty of community support in Kingsland, and if I had to guess, a better paying job than Mainland. I've seen plenty of Mainland games over the years, including Maronto's final game after the prostitution sting and they never had the kind of turnout that I saw in Kingsland that night.
    1 point
  27. I was told by a teacher that there are 180 school days per year and they work about 20 extra days than the kids on average so a teacher works about 200 days per year and are off 165. Most jobs you get about 2 weeks vacation per year paid. So you work about 50 weeks, 5 days per week for full time. That’s 250 days per year So teachers on average work about 7 less weeks per year than the average profession.
    1 point
  28. Yes its at Vero because I never put an @ sign next to West Boca
    1 point
  29. While I acknowledge that students can often tell who the good, bad and average teachers are, I don't think it's feasible (or even a good idea!) to base teacher pay on a poll of students. Many students may well give a reasonable and accurate review of their teachers, but some may be less than reasonable or honest. Teachers who bribe their kids are going to fare the best often. And so if that's out, you're back to test scores. I'm a believer in tests and data analysis! But, again, there are myriad factors which can affect not only overall scores, but also rates of improvement/decline that are out of control of the teachers. The problem is there's no shortage in students sitting in classrooms they do not want to be in. Teaching is one of the only -if not the only- professions where the job rating of professionals is based on the performance of children who often resent being there in the first place. All I said is that anyone claiming the evaluation of teachers is *easy* is revealing their ignorance. It may be possible, but it is not easy or simple.
    1 point
  30. Nailed it. Those PE classes can have 50+ kids in them. Not an easy day of work for sure.
    1 point
  31. Too bad we can't find a way to install a merit based system into these type of municipal/state employees pay plan as some teachers should be making six figures while sadly others are overpaid; same disparity is evident in firefighters, law enforcement, etc... regarding job performance. The private sector as a general rule is merit based and while I believed the same could be done at school, most administrators had the same lame excuse. It was too subjective to determine good teachers from bad, yet the students can tell you but the administrator can not? ..... PITIFULL!! Earlier comments about starting teachers pay in FL getting a bump is correct as they earn more than those in adjoining states, but the pay is pretty much the same at 15 and 30 years for FL, GA, AL, SC, etc... Coaching stipends is a whole nother issue when compared with other states. This pretty much sums up why I left the teaching/coaching profession after 7 years and joined the private sector. Merit (job performance) should mean something.
    1 point
  32. I know a Dude that made 59K (teaching salary + asst ftb coaching stipend) in a school district in florida . He moved to georgia and is now making 98K (teaching salary + asst ftb coaching stipend).
    1 point
  33. More out of county games than I can ever remember. A lot are district games though. Durant vs Lake Gibson, and Bartow Lennard vs Pasco, Lakewood Ranch, Parrish Community, Gateway and Palmetto Alonso vs Palmetto, Robinson vs Seminole Spoto vs Davenport Sickles vs Oviedo Sumner vs Bartram Trail and Lakeland Newsome vs Palmetto Riverview vs Sarasota Riverview and Bartow Steinbrenner vs River Ridge, East Lake, Largo and PHU Gaither vs Wesley Chapel, Springstead and Cypress Creek Chamberlain vs Cardinal Mooney Freedom vs Fivay, Pasco, Zephyrhills and Fort Meade Jefferson vs Palmetto Ridge and Jenkins Bloomingdale vs Bartow Leto vs Cardinal Mooney Hillsborough vs Columbia Tampa Bay Tech vs Venice And Plant supposedly is trying to go to Ireland to play but needs and opponent
    1 point
  34. This bill has zero chance of passing. No way Florida will ever pay teachers and coaches well. State does not give a crap about education so good teachers and coaches leave the state in droves. Dont get me started on the crazy laws about movies, books and what is taught in schools. The last big raise was all for new teachers and gave the veteran teachers squat.
    1 point
  35. I'll believe it when I see it.... Damn shame it even has to come to this.
    1 point
  36. Games by county Polk - 8 Pasco - 7 Manatee - 5 Pinellas - 4 Sarasota - 4 Hernando - 1 Lee - 1 St John’s - 1 Columbia - 1 Collier - 1 Seminole - 1
    1 point
  37. Unfortunately, Paul Harvey nor his ilk are no longer with us.
    1 point
  38. I should teach them how drop their shhh, make em get on the potty!!!!!
    1 point
  39. I see Vero is traveling to Brevard, hope EG fights better this time around
    1 point
  40. Last season they only had 2
    1 point
  41. Even if this works for the Rural class(es), I object strenuously to any such implementation in the other classes. So the intent is to have like 14-15 "state champs" with half of them coming from the lower echelons of each class? Or am I missing something?
    1 point
  42. This list includes teams who still play till this day. Numbers in parentheses indicates the first and/or last year they played football. I will break them up into North, East, Central and South Florida. If I am missing any please let me know
    1 point
  43. Central - Washington (Inverness) Mickens (Dade City) (?-69) Pinellas High (Clearwater) Gibbs (?-23) Mills (Webster) Marshall (Plant City) Blake (Tampa) (56-23) Middleton (Tampa) (35-23) Don Thompson (46-55) Booker T (Tampa) (25-37) Union Academy (Bartow) (47-68) Wash. Park/Rochelle (Lakeland)(28-68) Jewett (Winter Haven) (38-68) Oakland (Haines City) (37-68) Roosevelt (Lake Wales) (43-68) Jones (Orlando) (?-23) Hungerford/Wymore (Eatonville) Wheatley (Apopka) Drew (Winter Garden) (58-58) Lee (Wildwood) Carver Heights (Leesburg) Eustis Vocational
    1 point
  44. As you know I research the history of football in the state. I have a specific folder for all the historically black football teams before 1967 when they either closed or joined the FHSAA. As I was researching the teams from Tampa (Middleton, Blake, and Thompson) I stumbled upon Booker T Washington that I had not heard of. Come to find out they are the oldest historically black school to play football in Tampa. Older than the other 3 mentioned. So as I started to research more I came across the yearbook. I was grateful to find it because not only did it confirm the 1st year they started playing football which is sometimes really hard to find, but they showed the results as well. I too caught myself reading the entire yearbook in amazement and even busted out laughing at the goofy dad jokes at the end. Lol.
    1 point
  45. Vs Dade County 322-255-5 vs Broward 32-29-3 vs Palm Beach 4-1 vs Monroe 3-3 vs Duval 2-1 vs Orange 1-1 vs Hillsborough 1-2 vs Polk 1-2 vs out of state 1-3 vs Wakulla 1-0 vs Manatee 1-0 vs Lee 1-0 vs St Lucie 0-1 vs Brevard 0-1 vs Volusia 0-1 vs IMG 0-2 Totals 370-302-8
    1 point
  46. Nole bull and the rest of South Fl are just like you said scared of IMG because they just have more talent and they acquire it the same way more players to choose from. They’re like a bully pick on the county 100 times smaller but with somebody who has more players to choose don’t let them in.
    1 point
  47. Well, I know that I, for one, can go to bed tonight and rest peacefully knowing that no coaches, assistant coaches, handlers or other representatives of any Florida high school football program will reach out to any of these players or their families to 'discuss their options.'
    1 point
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