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Captain, I wasn't the one who questioned the 3 schools or 50 students. I understand what you saying though. I would argue for the Rural Class to be a long term success that population numbers will have to slowly grow the cutoff. I am not suggesting that a school of 800 or something, but I have no problem with a 615 or so population. A better long term solution if the goal is to have a firm 600 cutoff is to go by a 3 or 4 year average and not a one year snapshot especially when doing something like a hard cap. Anyway, I think the rural class is a huge success and hope it continues. The same idea that exists for the rural league should exist for other leagues as well though. Schools want to compete against similar type of schools. Rural Schools were tired of having to play Bolles or University Christian or Trinity Catholic or North Florida Christian. Small private schools that are not them are tired of it. They don't want to get their butts whooped to that extent. So many of them are moving independent. My system simply recognizes that fact. If you move good teams up, they will face better schools. If you move bad teams down As for your concern, Miami Central wouldn't be there because they would be up in 8A with their 20 D1s (or at least we would hope so). Now if this fictional team is in 8A with Miami Central and their 20 d1s then they did something to deserve it. Yes a team that wins a state championship is always remembered, but never has it meant that they were the best team the school has ever had. Luck, weather, your opponents, referees, game day matchups have all played a role in how a playoff bracket shakes out. I can think of a local girls basketball team that made the state playoffs one year with nothing but sophomores and juniors. The belief was that the next year they should be going further in the state playoffs. Next year comes, they are a better team. They win more games against better competition. They lose in the first round of the district playoffs and fail to make the state playoffs. I will tell you that was the best team that they had, but they didn't make the playoffs. It happens, it is part of the game.

Sharkbait, Perhaps you and I see it differently, I don't see it as punishment at all, but rather recognition of the fact that your team is good. It isn't a reward but rather recognition that after numerous years of failure maybe we need to give you a task that you can compete at. So imagine a poor 6A school being moved down to 4A in the meantime a good but not elite 3A moves up to 4A. I would suggest that these two teams would be more competitive against each rather than the poor 6A vs the average 6A and the average 3A vs the good 3A. The goal is rewarding success, competitive games, and on some level building the sport. Nobody enjoys blowouts. Nobody. Not the fans. Not the coaches. Not the players. As for the Rural Designation. It is has overall been a success. Look at the championships for the past 5 years, some repeat champions in some sports, but different potential champions every year. Now look at 4A-8A, I would bet that you could name 20 elite teams and most of them have made it far in the state championships every year. No excitement because it is the same thing every year. How many straight years did we have BTW vs Bolles? Or Miami Central vs Armwood? While I know it is will be blasphemy to suggest we look at soccer, but most soccer leagues (besides the US) have some sort of promotion and relegation. When you get relegated it isn't a time for joyous celebration, but when you get promoted it is. Being competitive gives hope. Nobody enjoys getting their brains bashed in, this allows teams to think they have a chance which encourages hark work.

Class 8A District 7 Armwood High School Lakeland Senior High School Newsome High School Plant City High School Winter Haven High School Tampa Bay Technical High School (moved from District 8) District 8 East Lake High School Manatee High School Palmetto High School Henry B. Plant High School Sickles High School Tampa Bay Technical High School District 11 Atlantic Community High School (Moved from District 12) John I. Leonard High School Palm Beach Central High School Park Vista Community High School Seminole Ridge Community High Wellington Community High District 12 Atlantic Community High School Boca Raton High School Coral Springs High School Deerfield Beach High School Stoneman Douglas High School J.P. Taravella High School (moved from District 13) Region 4 District 13 American Heritage School Cypress Bay High School (moved from District 14) Plantation High School St.Thomas Aquinas High School J.P. Taravella High School Western High School District 14 Cypress Bay High School Dr Michael M. Krop Senior High School Flanagan High School Hialeah High School Hialeah Gardens High School Miramar High School District 15 Booker T. Washington High School Christopher Columbus High School Coral Gables High School Miami Central Senior High School Miami Senior High School Southwest Miami Senior High School Class 7A Region 1 District 2 The Bolles School Clay High School Creekside High School Fleming Island High School Mandarin High School Oakleaf High School St. Augustine High School District 3 Buchholz High School Flagler Palm Coast High School (moved from District 4) North Marion High School Vanguard High School West Port High School District 4 Flagler Palm Coast High School Lyman High School Spruce Creek High School University High School Winter Springs High School Wekiva High School District 8 Gaither High School Steinbrenner High School Wharton High School Pasco High School Sunlake High School Region 3 District 9 Alonso High School Countryside High School Palm Harbor University High School Jefferson High School Pinellas Park High School Jesuit (moved from District 10) Hillsborough High School (moved from District 10) District 10 Durant High School East Bay High School Jesuit Hillsborough High School Newsome High School Riverview High School Region 4 District 13 Jupiter Community High School Centennial High School Lake Worth Community High School Martin County High School Royal Palm Beach Community High School Seminole Ridge High School District 14 Boyd H. Anderson High School Blanche Ely High School Cooper City High School Monarch High School Piper High School South Plantation High School District 15 American Senior High Everglades High School Hialeah Senior High School Mater Academy High School North Miami Senior High School West Broward High School District 16 Belen Jesuit Preparatory School Booker T Washington Senior High School Miami Beach Senior High School Miami Coral Park Senior High School Miami Palmetto Senior High School Miami Southridge Senior High School Class 6A had a lot of changes to the point I couldn't keep track. Most of the changes were due to several panhandle teams dropping from 6A to 5A. Class 6A Region 1 District 1 Milton High School Lawton Chiles High School Wakulla High School West Florida High School of Advanced Technology District 2 Edward H. White High School Raines High School Robert E. Lee High School Suwannee High School Trinity Christian Academy District 3 Atlantic Coast High School Bishop Kenny High School Nease High School Ponte Vedra High School District 4 Forest High School North Marion High School South Sumter High School Frank W Springstead High School Weeki Wachee High School Region 2 District 5 Lake Minneola High School New Smyrna Beach High School Ocoee High School Seabreeze Senior High School South Lake High School District 6 Celebration High School Paul J Hagerty High School Harmony High School Lake Howell High School Sebastian River High School District 7 Auburndale High School Bartow High School Bloomingdale High School Brandon High School George Jenkins High School Strawberry Crest High School District 8 Freedom High School Mitchell High School River Ridge High School Wiregrass Ranch High School Region 3 District 9 Countryside High School Clearwater High School Clearwater Central Catholic High School Largo High School Seminole High School District 10 Jefferson High School Lakewood Community School St. Petersburg High School A.P. Leto Comprehensive High School Robinson High School District 11 Lennard High School North Port High School Port Charlotte High School Sarasota High School District 12 Cape Coral High School Estero High School Ida S. Baker High School Island Coast High School Region 4 District 13 Boynton Beach Community High School Forest Hill Community High School Glades Central Community High School Palm Beach Lakes Community High School Santaluces Community High School South Fork High School District 14 American Heritage School Boyd H. Anderson High School Spanish River Community High School Northeast High School West Boca Raton Community High School District 15 Dillard High School Fort Lauderdale High School Hollywood Hills High School McArthur High School Nova High School South Broward High School District 16 Miami Jackson Senior High School Miami Norland Senior High School Ronald W. Reagan Doral Senior High School South Miami Senior High School Felix Varela Senior High School Everglades High School Class 5A Region 1 District 1 Escambia High School Fort Walton Beach High School (moved from District 2) Gulf Breeze High School Pensacola High School Pine Forest High School Washington High School West Florida High School of Advanced Technology District 2 Arnold High School Crestview High School Fort Walton Beach High School A. Crawford Mosley High School North Florida Christian School Rickards High School District 3 Baker County High School Eastside High School Middleburg High School Orange Park High School Ridgeview High School Santa Fe High School Suwannee High School District 4 Englewood High School Pedro Menendez High School Ponte Vedra High School Jean Ribault High School Terry Parker High School University Christian Westside Highschool Region 2 District 5 Lake Weir High School Matanzas High School Palatka High School Deltona High School Pine Ridge High School Trinity Catholic High School District 6 Bayside High School East River High School Eau Gallie High School Jones High School Lake Minneola High School Liberty High School Poinciana High School District 7 Citrus High School Lecanto High School Leesburg High School Nature Coast Technical High School South Sumter High School Weeki Wachee High School District 8 Land O' Lakes High School River Ridge High School Tarpon Springs High Wesley Chapel High School Zephyrhills High School Region 3 District 9 Boca Ciega High School Clearwater Central Catholic High School Dixie Hollins High School Northeast High School Osceola Fundamental High School Southeast High School District 10 Blake High School Chamberlain High School King High School Lake Region High School Spoto High School Tampa Catholic High School District 11 Clewiston High School Cypress Lake High School East Lee County High School Lehigh Senior High School North Fort Myers High School Riverdale High School District 12 Barron Collier High School Golden Gate High School Lely High School Palmetto Ridge High School Region 4 District 13 Fort Pierce Westwood High School Hardee Senior High School Jensen Beach High School Okeechobee High School Sebring High School District 14 HALLANDALE HIGH SCHOOL (moved from District 15) North Miami Beach NSU University School Olympic Heights Community High School Stranahan High School Suncoast High District 15 Barbara Goleman Senior High School HALLANDALE HIGH SCHOOL Miami Carol City Senior High School Miami Northwestern Senior High School Hialeah-Miami Lakes Senior High School Westland Hialeah Senior High School District 16 Doral Academy High School Gulliver Preparatory School Homestead Senior High School Miami Springs Senior High School Miami Sunset Senior High School Class 4A Region 1 District 1 Bay High School East Gadsden High School Florida State University Schools Taylor County High School (moved from District 2) North Florida Christian School Pensacola Catholic High School Rickards High School District 2 Paxon School for Advanced Studies Stanton College Preparatory School Baker County High School Menendez High School Orange Park High School Taylor County High School University Christian School Region 2 District 3 Atlantic High School Astronaut High School Matanzas High School Jones High School Rockledge High School Titusville High School Warner Christian Academy District 4 Belleview High School Crystal River High School Dunnellon High School Hernando High School Lake Weir High School Mount Dora High School Region 3 District 5 Anclote High School Dunedin High School Fivay High School Gulf High School Hudson High School Wesley Chapel High School District 6 Bayshore High School Booker High School Gibbs High School Middleton High School Victory Christian Academy Region 4 District 7 Avon Park High School DeSoto High School Lemon Bay High School Mariner High School District 8 Cardinal Gibbons High School Chaminade-Madonna College Preparatory Coconut Creek High School Alonzo and Tracy Mourning Senior High Biscayne Bay Campus Port St. Lucie Stranahan High School Class 3A Region 1 District 1 East Gadsden High School Florida A & M University Developmental Research School Marianna High School Pensacola Catholic Rutherford High School Walton High School District 2 Andrew Jackson High School Bradford High School (moved from District 3) Fernandina Beach High School Keystone Heights Junior/Senior High School (moved from District 3) Providence School West Nassau High School Samuel W. Wolfson High School Yulee High School Region 2 District 3 Bradford High School (moved to District 2) Eustis High School Keystone Heights Junior/Senior High School (moved to District 2) Tavares High School Umatilla High School The Villages Charter School Central High School (Moved from District 3) Ridgewood High School (moved from District 3) District 4 Atlantic High School The First Academy Lake Highland Prep Melbourne Central Catholic High School (moved from District 7) Satellite High School (moved from District 7) Space Coast Junior/Senior High (moved from District 7) Tenoroc High School (moved to District 5) Mulberry Senior High School (moved to District 5) Region 3 District 5 Lakeland Christian School Indian Rocks Christian School Admiral Farragut Academy Berkeley Preparatory School Tenoroc High School (moved from District 4) Mulberry Senior High School (moved from District 4) Central High School (Moved to District 3) Ridgewood High School (moved to District 3) District 6 Lake Placid High School Bishop Verot Catholic High School Cardinal Mooney Catholic High School First Baptist Academy Labelle High School Region 4 District 7 Cardinal Newman High School Oxbrigh Academy Cardinal Gibbons Somerset Academy High School (moved from District 8) Melbourne Central Catholic High School Satellite High School Space Coast Junior/Senior High District 8 Dade Christian School Keys Gate Charter School Miami Edison Senior High School Monsignor Edward Pace High School Somerset Academy High School (moved to District 7) Westminster Christian School Keystone Heights Junior/Senior High School (moved to District 2) Class 2A had a lot of rearranging due to the addition of 2 panhandle schools. Region 1 District 1 Marianna High School Florida A & M University Developmental Research School PK Yonge Developmental Research School District 2 Andrew Jackson High School Cedar Creek Christian School Duval Charter School Eagle's View Academy Episcopal School of Jacksonville Harvest Community School Region 2 District 3 Father Lopez Catholic High School Halifax Academy Interlachen High School Warner Christian Academy District 4 Agape Christian Academy High School Cornerstone Charter Academy Foundation Academy a Christian School Holy Trinity Episcopal Academy - Upper School Trinity Christian Academy Region 3 District 5 Cambridge Christian School Carrollwood Day School Seffner Christian Academy Calvary Christian High School Northside Christian School Out of Door Academy - Middle and Upper School - Lakewood Ranch St. Petersburg Catholic High School District 6 Community School of Naples Evangelical Christian School Gateway Charter High School Marco Island Academy Southwest Fl Christian Academy St John Neumann Catholic High School Region 4 District 7 John Carroll Catholic High School Moore Haven Junior/Senior High School Saint John Paul II Academy Village Academy School on the Art and Sara Jo Kobacker Campus District 8 Champagnat Catholic School Everglades Preparatory Academy International School of Broward Somerset Academy Charter High School Monsignor Edward Pace High School

When I originally did it, I only gave positive points for 2014 and 2015 and subtracted 50 population for every consecutive year you didn't make the playoffs. The end result didn't look right because a team could make the playoffs once in 10 years and somehow not lose population despite a complete lack of success. Additionally, you had teams like Paxton, and Stanton who ended up being in 2A despite their 1500 person population. 5 years might be ok. My concern with only 5 years is that you will never lose enough population to make it down a classification (especially our large 8A) additionally, going only 5 years is going to limit the number of classifications that a team can move up. For example Trinity Christian (Jacksonville) would only move up to 5A instead of 6A (with 10 years of data). Part of the idea of 75 students (addition and subtraction) was that when weighted by year that you would lose about 400 students if you hadn't been in the playoffs for 10 years which basically meant that you go down a classification due to the range of populations that the FHSAA set. In order to only do 5 years, I would have to increase the number to 100 students for that to happen. So based on the idea of 5 years of data instead of 10 and 100 students gained or loss plus a weighting of 100% for 2015, 90% for 2014, 80% for 2013, 70 for 2012, 60% for 2011 The following schools would move down a level from the above posted classes: Andrew Jackson (Jacksonville) Baker County (Glen St. Mary) Bayside (Palm Bay) Boyd Anderson (Lauderdale Lakes) Cardinal Gibbons (Fort Lauderdale) Countryside (Clearwater) Crestview Everglades (Miramar) - X FAMU (Tallahassee) Jefferson (Tampa) Jones (Orlando) Lake Weir (Ocala) Marianna Menendez (St. Augustine) Miami Northwestern Monsignor Pace (Miami) Newsome (Lithia) North Marion (Citra) North Miami Beach Orange Park - X Pensacola - X Pensacola Catholic - X Pine Forest (Pensacola) Riverdale (Fort Myers) Seminole Ridge (Loxahatchee) Southeast (Bradenton) Stranahan (Fort Lauderdale) The following schools would move up a level from the previous classifications: Atlantic (Port Orange) Clearwater Central Catholic Creekside (St. Johns) East Gadsden (Havana) Hialeah Lake Minneola Lake Placid Lakeland Christian Matanzas (Palm Coast) North Florida Christian (Tallahassee) - X Oxbridge Academy (West Palm Beach) Palmetto Pinellas Park (Largo) Ponte Vedra Providence (Jacksonville) Rickards (Tallahassee) River Ridge (New Port Richey) Riverview (Riverview) Santa Fe (Alachua) South Sumter (Bushnell) Sunlake (Land O'Lakes) Suwannee (Live Oak) - X University Christian (Jacksonville) Washington (Miami) Weeki Wachee - X Wekiva (Apopka) Wesley Chapel West Florida (Pensacola)

Broward Part of this is not just based on enrollment numbers but success as well. North Broward Prep would be 3A (under my weighted enrollment) Coral Springs Charter would be 3A (under my weighted enrollment) Archbishop McCarthy would be 5A (under my weighted enrollment). Key West would be a 3A (under my weighted enrollment). I am not suggesting that all independents should be 2A, but many of them would be. Of course, as more teams join we can either increase the size of 2A (I set it at 40 teams for 2A-4A) or just let them flow into the area they are in. The reality is that most of the teams that independents already fall into the 2A category. 44 of the 80 of them are under 300 students (not including Florida Deaf and Blind School). Another 20 fall in the current 300-680 range (3A) not including IMG Academy and Wildwood (1A). If I only used the current cutoff (weighted population of 413) 65 teams (not including IMG, Wildwood, Florida Dead and Blind) Basically almost all of the current schools that are independent would fall in 3A or 2A except for Coral Glades (Coral Springs), Archbishop McCarthy (Southwest Ranches), Pembroke Pines Charter. Coral Glades would be 8A under current FHSAA guidelines and under my weighted population they would be a really big 6A. Archbishop McCarthy would be would be a really small 6A under current FHSAA guidelines and under my weighted population they would be 5A. Pembroke Pines Charter would be a 6A under current FHSAA guidelines and a 5A under my weighted population.

I would note that I don't think this is the end all be all. I just think it is a good starting spot. Minus the Oxbridge issue in 2A, I think if you went to the Independent schools and said, "what do you think of this?" Many might be on board. Small dominant schools might be upset (BTW, Bolles, Trinity Christian (Jax), University Christian (Jax),) as they would be playing well above their population numbers. At the same time, you are playing competition similar to your own ability. If redistricting happens every two years, you can require teams that are state champions to move up, no matter their weighted population. Schools that miss the playoffs for 6 straight years, automatically move down a class from the previous year.

Yeah, I saw that for Oxbridge as I was doing it. That is a reflection of Oxbridge having negatives from 2014-2006 in the above formula. This means they have negatives for 9 of the 10 years. 2015 is the first they have even been in District Play. If I only count 2015 for them then they would be a solid 3A school (weighted population wise) and as they have continued success they would move up. I did it for the sake of things being easier (many schools have never been in the playoffs and it was hard to figure out when they started). To make it easy on myself, I just assumed that every school had played football for 10 years and as a result if they weren't in the playoffs, they had a negative 10. As for Lake Placid and Moore Haven, they are victims of not being surrounded by schools of similar size. Lake Placid to St. John Paul II (2h15m) Lake Placid to Village Academy (2h 8m) Lake Placid to Oxbridge (1h 51m) Lake Placid to John Carroll (1h 24m) Lake Placid to Moore Haven (0h 43m) Total Driving Time: 8 h 21 m Average Driving Time: 1 h 40 m Lake Placid to Community School of Naples (1h 44m) Lake Placid to Evangelical Christian School (1h 24m) Lake Placid to Gateway Charter High School (1h 30m) Lake Placid to Marco Island Academy (2h 13m) Lake Placid to Southwest Fl Christian Academy (1h 24m) Lake Placid to St John Neumann Catholic High School (1h 45m) Total Driving Time 10 h 00 m Average Driving Time: 1 h 40 m Going North or West is more distance than the examples above. 2 possible solutions would be to move Lake Placid up (They were the largest 2A). They then could be in Class 3A, District 6 and they would be with: Bishop Verot Catholic High School Cardinal Mooney Catholic High School First Baptist Academy Labelle High School Move Oxbridge Academy to 3A, move Village Academy and St. John Paul II to District 8 and then create a 3 team district of Moore Haven, Lake Placid, and John Carroll. That creates a district imbalance which I tried hard to avoid. Only a couple of time did I end up with a 3 team district. Part of what I was trying to do was trying to avoid making any exceptions, which is why I found the not weighting 2A, 3A, 4A to be more successful. After I re-ranked schools by population, I did 40 schools 2A-4A, and even division of the remaining schools 5A-8A.

Class 2A Region 1 District 1 Cedar Creek Christian School Duval Charter School Eagle's View Academy Episcopal School of Jacksonville Harvest Community School District 2 Providence School of Jacksonville Father Lopez Catholic High School Halifax Academy Interlachen High School PK Yonge Developmental Research School Warner Christian Academy Region 2 District 3 Agape Christian Academy High School Cornerstone Charter Academy Foundation Academy a Christian School Holy Trinity Episcopal Academy - Upper School Trinity Christian Academy District 4 Cambridge Christian School Carrollwood Day School Lakeland Christian School Seffner Christian Academy Region 3 District 5 Calvary Christian High School Northside Christian School Out of Door Academy - Middle and Upper School - Lakewood Ranch St. Petersburg Catholic High School District 6 Community School of Naples Evangelical Christian School Gateway Charter High School Marco Island Academy Southwest Fl Christian Academy St John Neumann Catholic High School Region 4 District 7 John Carroll Catholic High School Lake Placid High School Moore Haven Junior/Senior High School Oxbridge Academy of the Palm Beaches Saint John Paul II Academy Village Academy School District 8 Champagnat Catholic School Everglades Preparatory Academy International School of Broward Somerset Academy Charter High School

Class 3A Region 1 District 1 East Gadsden High School Florida A & M University Developmental Research School Marianna High School Rutherford High School Walton High School District 2 Andrew Jackson High School Fernandina Beach High School West Nassau High School Samuel W. Wolfson High School Yulee High School Region 2 District 3 Bradford High School Eustis High School Keystone Heights Junior/Senior High School Tavares High School Umatilla High School The Villages Charter School District 4 Atlantic High School The First Academy Lake Highland Preparatory School Tenoroc High School Mulberry Senior High School Region 3 District 5 Admiral Farragut Academy Berkeley Preparatory School Central High School Indian Rocks Christian School Ridgewood High School District 6 Bishop Verot Catholic High School Cardinal Mooney Catholic High School First Baptist Academy Labelle High School Region 4 District 7 Cardinal Newman High School Melbourne Central Catholic High School Satellite High School Space Coast Junior/Senior High District 8 Dade Christian School Keys Gate Charter School Miami Edison Senior High School Monsignor Edward Pace High School Somerset Academy High School Westminster Christian School

Class 4A Region 1 District 1 Bay High School Florida State University Schools North Florida Christian School Pensacola Catholic High School Rickards High School District 2 Paxon School for Advanced Studies Santa Fe High School Stanton College Preparatory School Taylor County High School University Christian School Region 2 District 3 Astronaut High School Matanzas High School Rockledge High School Titusville High School Warner Christian Academy District 4 Belleview High School Crystal River High School Dunnellon High School Hernando High School Mount Dora High School Region 3 District 5 Anclote High School Dunedin High School Fivay High School Gulf High School Hudson High School Wesley Chapel High School District 6 Bayshore High School Booker High School Gibbs High School Middleton High School Victory Christian Academy Region 4 District 7 Avon Park High School DeSoto High School Lemon Bay High School Mariner High School District 8 Cardinal Gibbons High School Chaminade-Madonna College Preparatory Coconut Creek High School Alonzo and Tracy Mourning Senior High Biscayne Bay Campus Port St. Lucie

Class 5A Region 1 District 1 Escambia High School Gulf Breeze High School Washington High School West Florida High School of Advanced Technology District 2 Arnold High School Fort Walton Beach High School A. Crawford Mosley High School District 3 Baker County High School Eastside High School Middleburg High School Orange Park High School Ridgeview High School Suwannee High School District 4 Englewood High School Pedro Menendez High School Ponte Vedra High School Jean Ribault High School Terry Parker High School Westside Highschool Region 2 District 5 Lake Weir High School Palatka High School Deltona High School Pine Ridge High School Trinity Catholic High School District 6 East River High School Eau Gallie High School Jones High School Lake Minneola High School Liberty High School Poinciana High School District 7 Citrus High School Lecanto High School Leesburg High School Nature Coast Technical High School South Sumter High School Weeki Wachee High School District 8 Land O' Lakes High School River Ridge High School Tarpon Springs High Zephyrhills High School Region 3 District 9 Boca Ciega High School Clearwater Central Catholic High School Dixie Hollins High School Northeast High School Osceola Fundamental High School District 10 Blake High School Chamberlain High School King High School Lake Region High School Spoto High School Tampa Catholic High School District 11 Clewiston High School Cypress Lake High School East Lee County High School Lehigh Senior High School North Fort Myers High School District 12 Barron Collier High School Golden Gate High School Lely High School Palmetto Ridge High School Region 4 District 13 Fort Pierce Westwood High School Hardee Senior High School Jensen Beach High School Okeechobee High School Sebring High School District 14 NSU University School Olympic Heights Community High School Stranahan High School Suncoast High District 15 Barbara Goleman Senior High School HALLANDALE HIGH SCHOOL Miami Carol City Senior High School Hialeah-Miami Lakes Senior High School Westland Hialeah Senior High School District 16 Doral Academy High School Gulliver Preparatory School Homestead Senior High School Miami Springs Senior High School Miami Sunset Senior High School

Class 6A Region 1 District 1 Crestview High School Milton High School Pensacola High School Pine Forest High School District 2 Lawton Chiles High School Forest High School Wakulla High School District 3 Atlantic Coast High School Bishop Kenny High School Creekside High School Edward H. White High School Nease High School Robert E. Lee High School Trinity Christian Academy District 4 New Smyrna Beach High School Ocoee High School Seabreeze Senior High School South Lake High School Wekiva High School Region 2 District 5 Bayside High School Paul J Hagerty High School Lake Howell High School Sebastian River High School District 6 Auburndale High School Bartow High School Celebration High School George Jenkins High School Harmony High School District 7 Mitchell High School Frank W Springstead High School Sunlake High School Wiregrass Ranch High School District 8 Bloomingdale High School Brandon High School Freedom High School Strawberry Crest High School Region 3 District 9 Clearwater High School Lakewood Community School Largo High School Pinellas Park High School Seminole High School St. Petersburg High School District 10 Lennard High School A.P. Leto Comprehensive High School Riverview High School Robinson High School District 11 North Port High School Port Charlotte High School Sarasota High School Southeast High School District 12 Cape Coral High School Estero High School Ida S. Baker High School Island Coast High School Riverdale High School Region 4 District 13 Boynton Beach Community High School Forest Hill Community High School Glades Central Community High School Palm Beach Lakes Community High School Santaluces Community High School South Fork High School District 14 American Heritage School Dillard High School Fort Lauderdale High School Spanish River Community High School Northeast High School West Boca Raton Community High School District 15 Hollywood Hills High School McArthur High School Miami Norland Senior High School North Miami Beach Senior High School Nova High School South Broward High School District 16 Miami Jackson Senior High School Miami Northwestern Senior High School Ronald W. Reagan Doral Senior High School South Miami Senior High School Felix Varela Senior High School

Class 7A Region 1 District 1 Choctawhatchee High School Godby School Leon High School Pace High School District 2 The Bolles School Clay High School Fleming Island High School Mandarin High School Oakleaf High School St. Augustine High School District 3 Buchholz High School North Marion High School Vanguard High School West Port High School District 4 Flagler Palm Coast High School Lyman High School Spruce Creek High School University High School Winter Springs High School Region 2 District 5 Bishop Moore Catholic High School East Ridge High School Edgewater High School Maynard Evans High School Gateway High School Lake Nona High School Saint Cloud High School District 6 Kathleen High School Haines City High School Lake Gibson High School Lake Wales High School Ridge Community High School District 7 Cocoa High School Heritage High School Melbourne High School Merritt Island High School Palm Bay Magnet High School Viera High School District 8 Gaither High School Steinbrenner High School Wharton High School Pasco High School Region 3 District 9 Alonso High School Countryside High School Palm Harbor University High School Jefferson High School District 10 Durant High School East Bay High School Jesuit Hillsborough High School District 11 Braden River High School Lakewood Ranch High School Palmetto High School Riverview High District 12 Dunbar High School Fort Myers High School Gulf Coast High School Immokalee High School Region 4 District 13 Jupiter Community High School Centennial High School Lake Worth Community High School Martin County High School Royal Palm Beach Community High School District 14 Boyd H. Anderson High School Blanche Ely High School Cooper City High School Monarch High School Piper High School South Plantation High School District 15 American Senior High Everglades High School Hialeah Senior High School Mater Academy High School North Miami Senior High School West Broward High School District 16 Belen Jesuit Preparatory School Booker T Washington Senior High School Miami Beach Senior High School Miami Coral Park Senior High School Miami Palmetto Senior High School Miami Southridge Senior High School

These are the Districts for the unweighted 2A, 3A, 4A Class 8A Region 1 District 1 Lincoln High School Navarre High School Niceville High School J. M. Tate Senior High School District 2 Bartram Trail High School Columbia High School First Coast High School Duncan U. Fletcher High School Gainesville High School Sandalwood High School District 3 DeLand High School Lake Mary High School Mainland High School Oviedo High School Seminole High School District 4 Colonial High School Timber Creek High School University High School Winter Park High School Region 2 District 5 Apopka High School Dr. Phillips High School Lake Brantley High School Olympia High School West Orange High School District 6 Boone High School Cypress Creek High School Freedom High School Oak Ridge High School Osceola High School District 7 Armwood High School Lakeland Senior High School Newsome High School Plant City High School Winter Haven High School District 8 East Lake High School Manatee High School Henry B. Plant High School Sickles High School Tampa Bay Technical High School Region 3 District 9 Charlotte High School Naples High School South Fort Myers High School Venice High School District 10 William T. Dwyer High School Palm Beach Gardens Community High School Fort Pierce Central High School Treasure Coast High School Vero Beach High School District 11 John I. Leonard High School Palm Beach Central High School Park Vista Community High School Seminole Ridge Community High Wellington Community High District 12 Atlantic Community High School Boca Raton High School Coral Springs High School Deerfield Beach High School Stoneman Douglas High School Region 4 District 13 American Heritage School Plantation High School St.Thomas Aquinas High School J.P. Taravella High School Western High School District 14 Cypress Bay High School Dr Michael M. Krop Senior High School Flanagan High School Hialeah Gardens High School Miramar High School District 15 Christopher Columbus High School Coral Gables High School Miami Central Senior High School Miami Senior High School Southwest Miami Senior High School District 16 G Holmes Braddock Senior High Coral Reef Senior High School John A Ferguson Senior High School Miami Killian Senior High School South Dade Senior High School

My major issue when individuals talk about changing the scheduling and doing away with districts is that the problem is bigger than scheduling. If you are in Trinity Christian's (Jacksonville) district, you are playing for runner-up spot. If you are a small school who is not a D-1 factory, but still believes in football, then you risk your players being hurt, so as a result you might go independent, or might go to 6 or 7 man football. I get it. This is what happens now that 80+ schools have gone independent. Similarly, if you are in St. Thomas Acquinas or Manatee or Lakeland's district, you might feel the same way. As a result, a scheduling system that offers never to have play them in the regular season (despite the fact that you might have to play them in the playoffs) sounds like a great idea. But you even then you aren't competing on a level playing field. Part of why the FHSAA (and all HS Associations) have classifications is to try and level the playing field. Nobody believes that a 1A team (Rural, 600 or less) is going to regularly beat an 8A team. As a result, we divide schools into classifications based on population. This unfortunately fails to realizes that some teams are just good. They have a strong feeder system, their principal and community support football. They have tradition. Whatever the reason, certain schools continually do well in their classification. They outpunch their population numbers. So before we change scheduling, what we need to do is realign based on two things: 1) Population 2) Playoff Success (or lack thereof) First, I started with the 2015 student population of all 437 teams in 2A through 8A that currently are playing in districts. Second, I looked at the last 10 seasons (2006-2015) and looked at their success and failure in terms of reaching the playoffs and then how far did you go in the playoffs. Third, I added 75 students for each round you made it in the playoffs. So a team that lost in the first round, added 75. A team that lost in the 5th round, I added 375. Fourth, I subtract 75 students for year you did not make the playoffs. Fifth, I weighted those years. 2015 received the full weight, while 2014 received 90%, etc until 2006 which only received 10% of the weight. The idea being that success and failure make a difference but success or failure from 10 years ago has only a small impact compared to more recent success. So for example: Gainesville 2015: 1897 student population 2015 season: +225 x 1.00 = 225 2014 season: +225 x 0.90 = 202.5 2013 season: +150 x 0.80 = 120 2012 season: +375 x 0.70 = 262.5 2011 season: +225 x 0.60 = 135 2010 season: +300 x 0.50 = 150 2009 season: +150 x 0.40 = 60 2008 season: -75 x 0.30 = -22.5 2007 season: -75 x 0.20 = -15 2006 season: -75 x 0.10 = -7.5 For a new total population of 3007 Forest Hill (West Palm Beach) 2015: 2316 student population 2015 season: -75 x 1.00 = -75 2014 season: -75 x 0.90 = -67.5 2013 season: -75 x 0.80 = -60 2012 season: -75 x 0.70 = -52.5 2011 season: -75 x 0.60 = -45 2010 season: -75 x 0.50 = -37.5 2009 season: -75 x 0.40 = -30 2008 season: -75 x 0.30 = -22.5 2007 season: -75 x 0.20 = -15 2006 season: -75 x 0.10 = -7.5 For a new total population of 1903 Now for smaller schools, I did an additional weighting. If you were in 2A, I only counted 20% of the change in students, for 3A I counted 40%, and for 4A, I counted 50%. 5A and above I counted the full weight of the change. Rural Schools (1A) remained unchanged. I also did another step, where I skipped the above step and used the full weight of the changes. (I found the results were overall better when I used the full weight of the changes). Finally, I used Google Maps to put the teams into classifications and districts. Weighting of 2A, 3A, 4A. Class 2A Class 3A Class 4A Class 5A Class 6A Class 7A Class 8A No Weighting of 2A, 3A, 4A Class 2A Class 3A Class 4A Class 5A Class 6A Class 7A Class 8A Now to be honest creating districts is harder than you think especially when it comes to the Panhandle and North Central Florida area. I tried to limit the # of 3 team districts, but honestly it is darn near impossible (another reason why mathematically it makes no sense to have 8 classes if the goal is large enough districts). Every time you add a district to one area that moves the district, which moves another district and you end up one district short. Now, I didn't add the independent schools. But I will do their numbers once I get some time. I think many of those independents would enjoy the idea of knowing that some of the "elite" small schools are pushed up a classification or two or more. The final thing that needs to happen after reclassification is a system of promotion and relegation. While my system reclassifies teams based on past success and population, teams that perform well should move. Teams that fail to perform should move down. In my reclassification system, Forest Hill moved from 7A (currently) to 6A (reclassified). If they fail to perform at 6A, move them down again. Additionally, a school like Booker T Washington went from 4A to 6A/7A (depends on the weighting). If they success, then move them again.

Mr. Wilson, How does your system prevent 2nd round re-matches or even 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round rematches? Again, you are suggesting that the old system is broken without realizing that your system doesn't fix the very thing you are railing against.

Mr. Wilson, As some have suggested, shrinking of a classification does many away with many of the "negatives" of the current system. It seems weird that we would invent a Rube Goldberg machine solution when there are simpler answers. Even my own promotion/relegation answer is complicated. Just to give an example, Lincoln has been ranked #1 (in the very first proposal) to the point where they might not even make the playoffs. This a team that won it's first round playoff game against a team (Robert E. Lee) that has been consistently in the playoffs in each proposed scenario. So my question becomes, did Lincoln not prove they were a quality team by winning the playoff regardless of their 4-6 record.

Coachmcg, I empathize with you. Fans of 1A schools freaked out when Fort White, Union County, Baldwin, and Madison which are right at the 600 and slightly over are in 1A. I can't imagine how they would react with a school of 800. ----- Captain, You are right. Reduce a classification gets rid of many of the arguments about unfair districts and losing teams making the playoffs. ----- I keep going back to the same question, if you are stating the current system rewards you for playing a "tough" schedule, that means you think the current system punishes you for playing a tough one. I just don't see evidence of that. ----- But Joshua, you want to avoid blowout match-ups in the first round, but the region you spotlight, didn't have those until the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Actually the first round match-ups were relatively close, 3 points, 3 points, 7 points, and 15 points. Heck, in 7A, only 5 of the 1st 16 games were won by more than 16 points (2 scores). I agree there is a problem in scheduling, but the problem is created because we only assume that school size is the only way to level the playing field.

Again, as for your current changes, I like the one with the first one, but that takes into account previous success (which is basically what am I saying in regards to promotion/relegation). As for your example of ACD, what if you thought they were going to be good? How many people truly thought First Coast would go 2-7 for the year? Or that Ed White goes 3-7, both tier 4 after both being regional finalists the year before? You basically punish a team because their opponent sucks that year, I just can't find fairness in that. _______________________________________________________________ Honestly, while all games should count, maybe we should like the Olympics and your highest and lowest games get thrown out. Complete speculation without looking at the numbers.

Nevermind... you finally saw it. Since I can't post fancy pictures. Please understand under the count every game (which you called me out on when I said Lincoln would end up being the #1 seed and suggested I only use the 8 games). Creekside becomes tied for #9 and one point of 8th. Again, I am not saying that Creekside gets in under the current proposal. My problem is that we throw out proposals without seeing the effects of those proposals.

The link is your original post and I will gladly send you the Region 1, Class 7A points that show Creekside makes the playoffs under the original proposed system that is outlined in the link. I know the system has changed since then, but sorry if I am apprehensive about any proposal that didn't do the legwork to find out what teams would enter the playoffs to argue that it is a better system. http://floridahsfootball.com/forums/index.php?/topic/993-football-playoff-changes-on-the-discussion-docket-for-football-advisory-committee/?hl=creekside Again, your assumption is that a team is purposefully scheduling cupcakes. I point out numerous examples of teams that fail to live up to expectations or teams that suffer a major injury and the team is never the same. How is that ok? Why should the kids be punished for who is willing to play them? I will keep asking how does the current system punish you for playing for a hard schedule. Or Team A schedule 9 3-7 or worse cupcakes and you. They go 9-0, but lose to you. You earn the 50 points because you beat a 9-1, because your system recognizes them as quality opponent, but also understands they aren't by not letting them into the playoffs. Somehow that seems contradictory to me.

Mr. Wilson, I have emailed with Mr. Beasley as well and I do understand where this is coming from. I would also point that the first go around for the proposed system, I basically proved why the system wouldn't work as 0-10 Creekside would have made the playoffs. While this system is obviously better than the first proposed system, pardon me if I willing to question things when some simple math proved how bad the system would be. But some issues still remain as they try and sell this: They are selling this as it "rewards playing a tough schedule" Two questions come to mind, 1) How does the current system punish you for playing a tough schedule? and 2) How do you define a tough schedule? My example would be Apopka from 2014. They entered 8A playoffs as a 6-4 district runner-up. They win the state championship. Now all of their losses were against 7-3 teams or better, so they weren't losing to scrubs. At the same time, I doubt they could be in the playoffs with a 6-4 record in 8A under the new system. Second, how does one define a tough schedule. Teams rise and fall all the time. In the Jacksonville area, both First Coast and Ed White were a lot worse than people would expected this year and as a result would have been a drain on your schedule. How is that fair the the kids? They don't control who is willing to play them or how good their opponents are. I look at Santa Fe a couple of years ago. They were on a tear beating teams then their QB becomes out for the season and the team looks average. I look at a school like Hamilton County who plays in the 1A state championship game in 2014 and then goes 4-6 in 2015. Third, County ADs are going to use this as a way to take control of schedules. Look at Duval County again. Until recently, no schools played outside of the Gateway Conference for out of district games. If you think County ADs in big metro areas are going to allow tons of cross-state games because of this, then you have never talked to one of these ADs. They care about saving money. So don't expect a school like Raines to be playing Mainland for example. (Yes, I know Raines and First Coast played out of county the past two years, but only because Superintendent worked in Miami-Dade.) Look to St Johns County, Creekside went 0-10 last year, who wants that team on their schedule? At no point will Bartram, Nease, Ponte Vedra, or St. Augustine drop them though, it is a gate game and cheap travel game. Does that game hurt playoffs chances even with a win? Yup. So yes, of course, County ADs love this. They see cost savings. Of course, coaches love this. They don't have to schedule powerhouse schools so they can pump up that win %. Are fans going to love this? Nope, way too confusing to figure out. The fact that a team can go from being #1 seed to being a #4 because an opponent from week 1 loses a game is to me something fans will not enjoy. Do I understand the need for a system that does avoids 50-0 blowouts? Sure do. I understand it in terms of money (nobody shows up to that game). I understand it terms of competition (Winning and Losing Coaches hate those games). I understand it terms of player safety (2nd teamers lighting up overly tired 1st teamers). I just think that promotion/relegation is easier to do without changing the simple system of winners/runner-ups.

Of course, there are other things that could be done. Every 8 years of a lack of playoff, you move down one classification automatically. You win a state championship you move up. And yes, 8A would be a bloodbath, but at the same time that is what the FHSAA is trying to do. They want exciting regular games. Exciting games come from tradition/rivalry and competitive play. The current system doesn't have competitive play due to the fact that we are basing "competition" solely on how big your school is, not on how well they play throughout the years. Would a school like University Christian or even Trinity Christian or Booker T Washington ever make it up to 8A, doubtful. But UC as a 3A/4A, TC as a 5A, BTW as a 6A or 7A school would all be fair.

Broward, Thank you for your suggestion. I did 5% of the population (if you don't make the playoffs) and it ends up being a little screwy. 2A is a mess and would lead to more mass defections than currently. The 4 lowest teams overall are Stanton, Port St. Lucie, 8A Colonial, Interlachen and 2 more in the lowest 8 are Satellite and Paxon. Those were all in 2A. Colonial dropping 6 classes make me question it. Some of the other teams in 2A would be PK Yonge, St John Paul II (Boca), Interlachen, Lake Placid, Satellite, Paxon, Stanton, Port St. Lucie, and Forest Hill along with some of the other smaller/less successful 2A teams. As for Ferguson, they only dropped to the 21 largest population, so they are still 8A.

Actually, you used the term more successful (not better) in your first post which have two different meanings. Gainesville over the past 5 years has been more successful (see playoff records). You might have been the better team (see head to head records), but vocabulary matters. My point is that success (and the system that I have created) reward success in playoffs. In case you were curious, if CHS even had one more round, they would have been nearly 8A just like GHS.