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  1. Columbia vs Lee round 2

    Wanna be thugs (the type that would bring a gun to a HS football game) don't roll out of bed until 8:00 pm? Palm Beach had similar concerns last year.
  2. Columbia vs Lee round 2

    Are Duval County Schools still playing at 6:30 or are they playing at 7:30?
  3. 2019 1st round playoff attendance

    Daytona Beach to Pensacola or vice versa is over 6 hours, sorry there are limits on how far people are willing to travel for a 1st round game. Now games, where it is 30 minutes the excuse doesn't fly.
  4. 2019 1st round playoff attendance

    I sat through a rain soaked game, but not going to lie, I know how easy it would have been to watch on twitter instead. But this goes back to the problem, that doing 1 vs 8 brings about. I don't know many visiting fans traveled from New Smryna Beach to Pensacola or from Pensacola to Daytona Beach for a first round match-up (6A Region 1). Usually, those type of games would be Round 3 where there is something on the line.
  5. FHSAA Championship Record Book

    Josh, I get it, it happens in every job. BUT 3 and (after this year) 4 years worth of backlog is a little silly at this point. Your post made me feel like I should research the rest of the sports, so here is how far behind the FHSAA has gotten with these sports. Some sports haven't been updated since 2011! Fall Sports: Bowling (still needs 2018) Cross Country (still needs 2018) Golf (still needs 2018) Swimming (Still needs 2018) Volleyball (Still needs 2018) Winter Sports Boys Basketball (Needs 2019 and Tournament Appearances need to be updated since 2016) Girls Basketball (Needs 2018 and 2019 and they don't have any Tournament Appearance by team), I am pretty sure it existed at some point Competitive Cheerleading (Need 2019) Boys Soccer (Need 2019) Also have stopped putting coaches names with programs Girls Soccer (Need 2019) Also have stopped putting coaches names with programs Girls Weightlifting (Need 2019) Wrestling (Need 2019 Individual Champions, but have Dual Meet Championships) Spring Sports Baseball (Needs 2018 and 2019, and haven't updated Tournament Appearances starting with 2017) Flag Football (Needs 2017, 2018, and 2019) Boys Lacrosse (Needs 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, and 2019) Girls Lacrosse (Needs 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, and 2019) Softball (Need 2018 and 2019, and Tournament Appearances since 2017, and Tournament Scores since 2015) Boys Tennis (Needs 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, and 2019) Girls Tennis (Needs 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, and 2019) Track (Needs 2019) Boys Water Polo (Needs 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, and 2019) Girls Water Polo (Needs 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, and 2019) Boys Weightlifting (Needs 2019)
  6. FHSAA Championship Record Book

    Does anybody know why the FHSAA has stopped updating the Championship Record Book? They seem to keep it up to date for other sports, but not football. https://www.fhsaa.org/sites/default/files/orig_uploads/records/rec_fb.pdf
  7. Glades Central Let Go Of Hester

    One of the "problems" for Pahokee and Glades Central is the mystique is gone. Every year, we see an article or short video on "The Muck" and how the Muck produced all of these great players (still does), but the days of Anquan Boldin are gone. In the past, the boys from the Muck were in better shape then most kids because they practiced, chased rabbits, worked the field, while these things allowed them to be in better shape, they weren't the advanced techniques. Today, teams practice, lift, and train year round. The days of rabbit hunting as an efficient training technique are gone. If you want to know why Glades Central has fallen, look to the Track program. Glades Central at the same time it was winning Football championships was winning Track championships. You would go out to Glades Central for a track meet there were 100 kids in Glades Central track uniforms, all running the 100, 200, 400, 110 HH, 400 Hurdles, Triple Jump, and Long Jumping. Nowadays, I don't think that is the case, or at leas they are producing the same depth in talent like they once did.
  8. Glades Central Let Go Of Hester

    The problem as mentioned above for why they look internally instead of externally is two-fold. 1) Alumni (there is a ________ way of doing things, (fill in name of school)). They want a person who knows the program inside and out. They want a person who "understands" what the football program means to the school and community. How can you possible know that if you didn't graduate from the school, if you didn't coach for 15 years at the school? They want someone from the good ole days, but the good ole days are in the past. The kids of today are different. More distractions, more things to do. 2) Community. Belle Glade and Pahokee are the definitions of rural poverty. They are communities that progress forgot in many ways. No major interstate to bring tourist business, no major businesses outside of Sugar Cane and Prisons. Both which are hard lives. What outsider wants to live there. From the Coral Sky Amphitheater (essentially Western West Palm Beach) to Glades Central High School is a 50 minute drive. Coaches can get the same pay at any one of the Palm Beach County high schools and drive 15 minutes. So why go out to Glades Central.
  9. Glades Central Let Go Of Hester

    With the ineligible player, do we blame the Principal/AD/Head Coach, is that the reason or is it more of an onfield problem? Are the expectations out in Belle Glade too high that they expect championships every other year?
  10. The Greatest Brothers to Play FL HS Football

    Pounceys were my first thought when I saw the title of the post.
  11. 14 Columbia vs 7 Ponte Vedra Final

    I believe that many of the SW Florida schools went to field turf after the string of hurricanes that came through in the mid 2000s. It has been almost a decade with the FIeldTurf, any thoughts from those schools down there? Again, the answer is always going to be, more money, however that money is found is a different story.
  12. Suggestion for fixing the system

    Let's be honest, as much as I talk about promotion/relegation, it is a pipe dream, because admins/ADs/coaches are scared. Look at the push back from non-football sports for the radical realignment the FHSAA wanted to do. The reality is that if promotion/relegation is going to happen, it will happen slowly. Having said that, the FHSAA can do some simple things to fix things. 1) Go back to 4 teams for 1A-4A who make the playoffs, instead of 6. or 2) Shrink 2A-4A down by 1 classification, with the goal of 60 teams (15 teams per region) if they are going to keep 6 teams. Ideally: 1A: Keep the Same 2A: Expand to 60 teams (~15 teams per region) 3A: Expand to 60 teams (~15 teams per region) 4A-7A: Equally Split (~80 teams per) The reality is that we should shrink by one more class to get closer to 96 teams per class and 16 districts, but shrinking by 2 classes would be very radical. ______ Use the average of the RPI/LaxIndex/Pinkos (whatever system) over 2 years (preferably after the playoffs are done) to continue to allow teams to "earn" points as they progress. Lowest 10 teams drop a classification, top 10 teams move up a classification. It would take 10 years for a 3A team to make it to 7A, slow changes are important if you are going to sell this idea. Brand new public schools start at 3A (no matter their size) and have to work their way up while they gather some stability in their program. Assuming we just used this year's RPI for 5A-8A. 8A Drops to 7A: Alonso (Tampa, FL) Oak Ridge (Orlando, FL) Haines City (FL) Leonard (Greenacres, FL) Cypress Creek (Orlando, FL) West Broward (Pembroke Pines, FL) Piper (Sunrise, FL) University (Orlando, FL) Windermere (FL) Spanish River (Boca Raton, FL) 7A Rises to 8A: St. Thomas Aquinas (Fort Lauderdale, FL) Armwood (Seffner, FL) Lakeland (FL) Edgewater (Orlando, FL) Palm Beach Lakes (West Palm Beach, FL) Niceville (FL) Fleming Island (Orange Park, FL) Bloomingdale (Valrico, FL) Viera (FL) Tampa Bay Tech (Tampa, FL) 7A Drops to 6A: Olympic Heights (Boca Raton, FL) Homestead (FL) Strawberry Crest (Dover, FL) American (Hialeah, FL) Everglades (Miramar, FL) North Port (FL) West Boca Raton (Boca Raton, FL) Miami Beach (FL) Leto (Tampa, FL) Mater Academy Charter (Hialeah Gardens, FL) 6A Rises to 7A: Palmetto (FL) Naples (FL) Port Charlotte (FL) Escambia (Pensacola, FL) Lake Gibson (Lakeland, FL) Gaither (Tampa, FL) Dillard (Fort Lauderdale, FL) Clearwater (FL) Largo (FL) Fort Myers (FL) 6A Drops to 5A Port St. Lucie (FL) Northeast (Oakland Park, FL) Deltona (FL) Okeechobee (FL) Freedom (Tampa, FL) Spoto (Riverview, FL) Hollywood Hills (Hollywood, FL) Pine Ridge (Deltona, FL) Gateway (Kissimmee, FL) Brandon (FL) 5A Rises to 6A Rockledge (FL) American Heritage (Plantation, FL) Northwestern (Miami, FL) Jones (Orlando, FL) Eau Gallie (Melbourne, FL) Wakulla (Crawfordville, FL) Lake Wales (FL) Dunnellon (FL) Citrus (Inverness, FL) 5A Drops to 4A Estero (FL) Lake Weir (Ocala, FL) Stanton (Jacksonville, FL) Ridgeview (Orange Park, FL) Tarpon Springs (FL) Booker (Sarasota, FL) Cape Coral (FL) Belleview (FL) Gibbs (St. Petersburg, FL) Gulf (New Port Richey, FL) In quickly looking at this, I know there are some problems. Palm Beach Lakes could be the newest fad of a team and probably doesn't have long term to stay at 8A, oh well. How many of the teams that are dropping are we thinking that they just had a bad year vs them being a constant homecoming/senior night opponent? The goal of the FHSAA has to be to create an equitable playing field. Size is a good indicator of the talent that should be available at a school, but obviously, it is not the only indicator. So let's use size, but also use wins and losses, Strength of Schedule, and other factors. Teams want to face equal level teams. Nobody on this board thinks Trinity Christian (Jax) or Chaminade-Madonna playing at 3A is good for them or 3A. For those fearful of big teams moving down, look at a team like Stanton (Jax), they could move 2A and barely be competitive, but at least they would have a chance rather than staying at 5A.
  13. Marginal Teams Who Made the Playoffs

    Question that we always have to ask, is it better to let some teams in that have no business being in the playoffs to ensure every team that has a realistic chance is in or better to limited the number of teams who could win even if that means leaving one or 2 out. I think 6 is too many in 1A-4A, I thought one the reasons they changed to six was because of the hurricane hitting panhandle last year
  14. Playoff teams from the same district

    In 2017 (the first year of non champ/runner-up), 6A District 16 had: Hialeah-Miami Lakes Miami Carol City Miami Central Miami Norland Miami Northwestern Northwestern was #1 seed, Central was #5, Carol City was #6, and Norland was #7.
  15. Halftime Columbia 20 north Marion 34 (3rd Qt)

    Don't he think he was fired (but probably would have been at the end of the season). He chose to step down in the middle of the season. https://www.chronicleonline.com/news/local/chs-coach-steps-down/article_0ed11a6a-f9ed-11e9-ab36-534f6f9db503.html