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  1. Another way of putting it...the "big" kid always had a place in hs football. As a hs coach, when that big kid showed up on the practice field, you said, "Son, we'll find a place for you somewhere." Now only the giant and/or fast kid has a place. In terms of the average population, a 6'0" 230 pound high schooler is a BIG kid. But in hs football today, if that kid is slow, there is really not a place for him. He is too small for the line and too slow for any other position, at least in a state like Florida.
  2. Interesting graphic.... https://noahveltman.com/nflplayers/ Interesting comment..."Nowadays if you're 6' 3" and 280 pounds, you're too big for most skill positions and too small to play line." It's fascinating how over time people of a certain stature have been "squeezed out" of D1 football and/or NFL positions. 40 years ago a skilled, 6'3" 280 guy would be a lineman in the NFL. Nowadays that guy would likely not be starting on a Power 5 team at any position. I wonder if in the future the same will be said for the 6'4" 300 -pound lineman? Will they be too big and too small to play on an NFL team? Everything is becoming more and more specialized. With participation in football already declining in some areas, this level of specialization is a bit concerning. Years ago, one saw kids of all shapes and sizes playing hs football. Not anymore, at least not in the hs football hot spot areas. Combine that with the growing concern over concussions and parents not allowing kids to play football, and I worry what football in the future will have to offer the "average" kid compared to other sports that seem to offer kids of more varying body types the opportunity to play.
  3. Brian Sheridan passed away this week at the age of 45. I believe he had been battling cancer. Sheridan had been a star at Rutgers, where he played linebacker. He still holds the Rutgers single season tackles record with 161 and is #3 all-time in tackles at Rutgers with 389 he accrued from 1993-1997. He was a hs coach in his home state of NJ before moving moving to FL in 2007.
  4. I agree. It likely does not matter how much weight a 6'2" or less hs o-lineman packs on, it is probably not going to make a difference when it comes to getting him a college scholarship. It might sound cool for a parent or coach to talk about their 300-pound lineman, but like you say, their advancement will be limited unless they have the frame to accompany the weight. When it comes to the 6'4" and above kids, I find it is easier to put weight on a kid with a naturally big frame than take it off. If a kid is 6'4" 280 in hs, he is not likely to have a difficult time putting on 20-40 pounds. I can't think of many 280-pound hs kids I've known who complain about not be able to put on weight because their metabolism is so fast. If a kid is obese throughout hs, his body has gotten used to being in that state and may revolt when asked to exist at a much lesser weight. If he does not stay on top of things, he will easily balloon back up. Many of us have probably experienced this phenomenon ourselves!
  5. Back in 2018, out of 320 Power 5 starting offensive linemen, only 14 came from FL high schools. No offensive linemen from Miami-Dade, Palm Beach or Hillsborough counties served as a starting offensive lineman at any Power 5 schools outside Florida that year. This thread from a couple of years ago did a deep dive on the topic.
  6. Check out below...CM's O-line, on average, is the same size as an NFL O-line in the 90's. Average Weights/Heights of Parade All-American High School Linemen over the Decades 1966 Range 220-275 lbs, 5"11-6'5" Average = 232 lbs, 6'2" 1977 Range 225-285 lbs, 6'2'-6'7" Average = 251 lbs, 6'4" 1987 Range 255-285 lbs, 6'4"-6'8" Average = 272 lbs, 6'5" 1997 Range 280-319 lbs, 6'4"-6'8" Average = 295 lbs, 6'6" 2005 Range 300-340 lbs, 6''2"-6'7" Average = 320 lbs, 6'5" 2017 Range 305-350 lbs, 6'4"-6'7" Average = 319 lbs, 6'6" Average Weights/Heights of NFL Offensive Lineman over the Decades 1920's 6'0", 210 lbs 1930's 6'1" 220 lbs 1940's 6'1" 220 lbs 1950's 6'2" 235 lbs 1960's 6'3" 250 lbs 1970's 6'3" 255 lbs 1980's 6'4" 275 lbs 1990's 6'4" 300lbs 2000's 6'4" 315 lbs 2015 6'5" 315 lbs
  7. Well said. In college, these huge linemen on the Power 5 teams can all move their feet pretty well. But in hs, I see a fairly large percentage of these huge kids who just aren't there in terms of footwork/mobility. For a hs team, in many cases, I really can't see where having an O-line with a 275-pound average vs a 300-pound average is going to make a huge difference. In college, more so. Unlike in college, where Power 5 D-linemen all typically have a lot of size, a lot of hs teams I see do not have bulky D-linemen across the board . There's an argument that colleges want kids to be able to be ready to play their freshman year. A 275-pound lineman is likely not going to start his freshman year at a Power 5 school because he will need time to beef up. But many of these 300+ kids are not going to start either. They might have the size to do so, but they will need time to develop their skills and learn how to use their weight. So, I really don't see where having this additional weight is giving many hs kids an advantage in college other than "looking" impressive. How may FL hs offensive linemen start at Power 5 schools each year? Not that many.
  8. Here's a pertinent article. It's mindblowing to think of a "normal" sized kid gaining 90 pounds in one year. Mr Olympia on the biggest anabolic steroid cycle in history would be lucky to put on one third of that in muscle in one year. https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/10/15/high-school-offensive-linemen-fat-shaming-health-risks-come-with-territory/" ..a couple of interesting quotes from the article. "His father and coaches taught him the difference between good weight and bad weight." A doctor taught me that in terms of potential stress on the heart, there is no such thing as "good," excessive weight, whether it is muscle, water or fat. "he wasn’t worried about the potential dangers of gaining that much weight so quickly because he didn’t use any supplements." I'm sure his doctor told him not to worry and I'm sure his heart knows the difference between weight gain with or without supplements. The misinformation out there about diet is scary. There are parents and coaches who don't have a clue, but think they do. I used to know a guy who was the trainer/advisor of numerous Mr Olympia competitors in bodybuilding. This guy had no academic credentials in physiology, biochemistry, medicine, etc. Yet these huge guys listened to him religiously concerning their diets and performance-enhancing drug regimens. One of those guys would eat 5+ pounds of red meat per day. And many of these guys died or were in terrible shape before age 50. Back then, guys used to say there was a "safe" way to do big anabolic steroid stacking regimens...wrong. Likewise, there is no "safe" way for a kid to gain 90 pounds in one year. Parents and coaches who think there is are kidding themselves. It's one thing for an adult to knowingly accept the risk with their own body. It's another for a parent or coach to enable this risky behavior with a young person who does not fully understand the potential consequences of what they are doing to their bodies.
  9. Last night, I watched American Heritage Plantation play Chaminade-Madonna. According to their rosters on Maxpreps, below is a breakdown of their starting O-lines. CM's O-Line 6'1" 280 Senior 6'2" 320 Junior 6'4" 300 Senior 6'5" 300 Sophomore 6'6" 300 Sophomore CM also had a 6'2" 270-pound junior playing fullback. AHP's O-Line 6'1" 280 Senior 6'1" 285 Senior 6'2" 315 Sophomore 6'4" 325 Senior 6'6" 295 Junior Despite the enormity of CM's line and a HUGE blocking back, one of the top-rated rb's in the state or possibly the country could do nothing against AHP's athletic D(save one play) and got caught behind the LOS numerous times. What's wrong with this picture? I think a problem is that these OL are holding way too much weight and/or don't know how to use their weight effectively. There is a reason FL's production of top-tier offensive linemen lags disproportionately behind our production of skill players, and last night's game was a good example. On one play I remember CM's 320-pound junior lineman trying to pull and this "tiny" AHP D-lineman took him out so easily and put the big young man off balance. Even if he had not been touched, there is no way he could have helped with that play because he was so slow. It was a bit shocking to see a "small" school with the line the size of CM's, especially when one considers that 3 of them were underclassmen. Sophomore linemen weighing 300 or more pounds? Where are we going folks? Is the future 350-pound hs O-linemen? When a 15/16 year old is already 300+ pounds, how much room does he have to grow into his frame? I mean, is he going to be 400 pounds as a senior in college? These kids would be so much more effective down at 250-275 pounds.15-20 years ago, , that's we typically saw, and those O-lineman could pull. Today, many of these 300-pound lineman I see in FL cannot move effectively enough to handle an athletic DL like we see on many of the top-ranked teams. Sure, a huge line on a 3A team is going to bully a lot of small school D's. But it is a completely different ball game when they face an elite D like either of those teams last night displayed. IMO, it is greed. People want that "college size" now, rather than let the kids grow into their frames. I guess the justification is that magical college scholarship that awaits. What coaches and parents do not realize is that what they are doing to these teenagers can have long-term impacts on their health, especially kids of an ethnic background that predisposes them to heart disease, diabetes, etc. This is not me talking, folks. I have had this discussion with my cardiologist, who happens to be a big football fan. "Aw, he'll lean up in college." The damage can already be done from a health perspective. All in the name of winning and/or a college scholarship. I remember reading an article about NFL linemen who struggle with their weight after their careers. Their metabolism gets used to holding all that weight and does not like giving it up. Not too long ago, a lineman might spend 5-10 years out of life at 300 pounds in his career (while in the NFL). Now we have kids who, if they have an NFL career, could be spending 15-20 years (hs, college and pros) at 300 or more pounds. Doesn't make a difference? How about the difference between smoking 5 versus 20 years? Time of health-risk exposure clearly raises the odds of long-term consequences. How difficult will it be for someone whose body has been at 300 pounds for 20 years to live the rest of their life at 225? I would imagine very difficult, except for someone who is extremely disciplined concerning diet and continuing to work out. I am not saying we should go back to the dinosaur days of 175-pound linemen. It's all about moderation. Some coaches are drinking the Kool Aid that they need a 300-pound line to win a state title. And they are neglecting to educate these kids and parents about the risk involved for some kids to maintain such a weight. I speak from personal experience on this topic. Back in college, I had the metabolism that allowed me to hold a lot of weight and still have abs. I kidded myself thinking because I could see my abs I was healthy. My blood tests told a different story...revealing major issues with my heart. I learned the hard way that the "outside" doesn't always tell what is going on inside our bodies.
  10. Thad Franklin got hurt late in the game. AHP has a very athletic defense that owned CM's big O-line. You would think Thad Franklin on a rainy night behind that O-line would be able to score, but no. CM's O-line needs work on blocking. CM is a very formidable team in 3A. But I do not think the Lions have the firepower on offense to be considered one of the best teams in the state amongst all classes. Both teams have quick D's that will give offenses trouble. AHP's offense needs some reps.
  11. Lions had their chance. Thad Franklin broke off a big run but Lions fumbled it on the next play due to bad exchange from qb.
  12. Rainy conditions. Offenses struggling to move the ball. James Williams of AHP is a beast. He is owning the CM O-line. AHP as a sophomore, Western as a junior, and back to AHP as a senior. And at Monsignor pace as Freshman. Well, at least it was 3 schools and not 4!
  13. CM O-line has some beef, but AHP is getting penetration. Based on what I am seeing, CM is going to be very tough in 3A with their size.
  14. AHP qb runs for a score! Long drive by AHP. CM D made it tough.
  15. AHP WR makes fantastic catch in end zone but is ruled OOB
  16. AHP lost DE Dallas Turner to STA this past year...tough loss
  17. AHP D holds and Patriots have the ball back. Both D's playing tough.
  18. Jamaal Johnson is good-looking CM DE...Canes commit. CM gets a lot of transfers but looks like this young man has been with them several years.
  19. AHP offense looking sloppy. CM D line is tough. CM has the ball now.
  20. AHP D holds CM to a fg. CM over AHP 3-0 CM kicker has an unusual name. Seems like CM had a great kicker with this same name last year or year before...must be related.
  21. AHP was driving deep but got intercepted. CM is on long drive and in red zone. 0-0
  22. Thank you, Perspective. Now it explains why Brevard County businesses have been tanking so badly. They have been marketing themselves as central FL businesses when, in reality, their customers are located in south FL. This is tragic. "The Melbourne Regional Chamber is the largest business organization in the East Central Florida region, offering the opportunity for networking, education, marketing and community involvement." https://www.melbourneregionalchamber.com/
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