Dan in Daytona

The triple A analogy has some creedence. Nulli did correctly point out though that the suburban teams were made up from 59 counties. Calling all "Dip$hits" is disingenuous at best, and very naive and juvenile at its worst.

I too like the 100 team championships. Problem is, in the age of the participation trophy, with an exploding population, it's never going back to 1984's four championships (A,2A,3A,4A). Five champions ended in 1997, and six champs (ended) in 2002.

Nulli, I think the proper word is "whipped"

Maybe not, but special consideration is in order for a smaller Nationally ranked 1996 Jacksonville Bolles (14-0), who's starting QB broke his ankle on their first series. They lost 14-13 to Bartow (14-1). Also 2003's 2A state champ Hollywood CHaminade (13-1) with victories over 5A state champ Daytona Mainland, and an excellent 27-0 victory over Madison. County. A 3pt loss to 5A semi-finalist Miami Edison (32-29) being their only slip-up. Finally, a Shout out to the 2009 2A Cocoa Tigers (14-0) upset shocker of national ranked Glades Central (13-0). These three small school winners were easily Top 3 in the state in those years. IMO, Chaminade was the best team in the state in 2003.

Look out Brother, you know I married a one time FAMU girl..... you're in dangerous waters, better recognize

No one can please a snake. That's why you guys keep losing your lady friends to Wildcats.

Lakeland has been the suburban gold standard for decades. They take a backseat to no one. To a lesser degree my hometown public, until very recently could play or beat anyone in the state OUTSIDE DADE. Cocoa still kicks big ass for a 1200 student public. Madison County is similar. I'm not downgrading the suburban categories. To be the best you have to beat the best (IMO).

I think that has been pretty obvious for years when not counting the Orlando area metro schools. Jacksonville, Tampa, and S. Florida metro's (-STA) aren't as good as their cities smaller schools.

Like myself you like to argue. Also we both can logically listen to persuasive reasoning and change our minds. I've found this is the exception and not the norm. Follow me over to the national high school football off-topic board for a rude awakening. Facts, lies, and innuendo are equal in the eyes of deniers.....live and learn

This is much like what Little League Baseball did a generation ago. Since its World Series is held here annually, at times no American team made the championship final. From a U.S. fan perspective this wasn't a good thing. So they changed the rules and the format. All American teams were put in one pool and all foreign teams in another, thus guaranteeing a US finalist . The pool winners then played for the World Series Championship in Williamsport, Pennsylvania.

We're on the same wavelength with that thought. I sense a compromise.....

I'm not a traditionalist by nature, and agreeing with Nolebull is rare to say the least, it's just the fact of not counting the large population centers of the state when crowning a state champion seems hollow when this majority wasn't defeated on the field of play. #MainlandBucForEver

'Bo, it's the world we live in, where everyone has a strong opinion on most everything from sports to family, no right or wrong answers. Just some guys pointing differences. It's all good. Peace

IMO, any championship that leaves out the major cities of that state is a dubious title at best. Does Texas reject Dallas, Houston, and San Antonio schools when titles are rewarded ? I don't know. Clue us in Nolebull.

I agree. It's a watered down title, but a championship just the same......with an " * " next to it.

Historically speaking, ColumboFan hit a home run with his Fab 5. All of the above are known to have a steady supply of home grown athletes, better than average long term public school coaching, a tradition of winning that draws local transfers, and a deep and storied history going back decades with alumni now parents and grand parents. Now throw in no Dade, Broward, Palm Beach, Duval, Orange, Hillsborough, and the like powerhouses to stumble over, and he has chosen the "most likely" 3-S title contenders. Sure history means nothing now with unrestrained freedom to transfer, but his Top 5 are an excellent starting point without me even yet reading his team Bio's.....247sports be damned.

"BO, why all the hate on little Live Oak ? Sure it's been a lopsided rival to big bad Lake City but yall been knocking heads for decades. Saw my first in 1970 or '71 at Live Oak. Had a lady friend who's family moved there. I caught the bus up there a few times in 10th grade, good people. Lake Butler, Starke, Lake City ( Greyhound stop was an old closed up gas station ) then on to Live Oak. Heading home at night through Jacksonville was a little scary. The bathrooms were upstairs and the old station was in a rough part of town. This 15yr old boy was nervous.

It would appear an apology is in order. This old man spoke in haste, jumped the gun, panicked, false alarm, was premature (I'll address that at a future date:) and dead wrong. One of my distinguished adversaries is already insulting posters left and right. PrepGrindiron is still ticking, and rising the blood pressure of all who partake in the no holds barred Off-Topic forum... Carry on, sorry.

Thanks Columbo Tiger, that's a pretty good assumption. Not interested in the Scam Man's website. Prep's Off Topic Board was depressing. I was good for a few days then it would get to me. Probably healthier for us all if it's gone. I'd like to thank the owner for the opportunity to freely spout off unapologetically. It was a wild ride.

Anyone got the scoop ? They have been offline for days.

I went down there once for a game at Rockledge, maybe '06, '07 ? Seem to me it was late afternoon.

Let's hope you're right with the championship games being more competitive. But as a long time fan of the sport, the separation of metro from suburban counties only reinforces what many have been saying for years about the "watering down" of championships. The Suburban 3A Champion is the best of 60 suburban county teams, nothing more. By not competing against the big boys in Miami, Ft Lauderdale, Orlando, Jacksonville, Tampa, etc. this 3A winner appears to be one of several "Minor League Champs." (IMO) It cheapens the words State Champion.

KeemD, a casual viewing of Class 3 Suburban, Region 3 confirms your optimism (state Regional final at a minimum). Though out-of-the-loop for several years, if currents trends prevail (29 yr consecutive playoff qualifier) there is a school to your north via I-95 (68.7 miles) that "may" play a part in Rockledge's title aspirations. One with any Florida high school football knowledge this century would note Region 3's fifteen members doesn't contain a "murder's row" or "Region of death" with an abundance of powerhouse programs. The region is just the opposite......very weak. With Dade out of the way, the sky's the limit. Good luck to Rockledge (somewhat waffling) and all the Brevard teams. Always a fan here to your north.

Word is 5* rocket armed QB recruit Cam Winston Mahones (6'5", 230lbs, 4.35 forty) has an additional NIL with Mercedes-Benz of Germany, and a personal service contract with Dallas Cowboy owner Jerry Jones. I hope that clears things up for you, thanks.

If what retired college and NFL head coach Barry Switzer says is in the works at OU then everything is on the table going forward until the NCAA see's the flames and wakes up. As soon as this coming fall football season every Sooner player (85 ?) will receive between $ 40,000 and $ 50,000. That's right, EVERY SINGLE PLAYER. They call it 1Okalahoma. The following is " just" speculation : Lets round off 85 players to 100..., and lets pay them 50K, now multiply by 100 = $5,000,000 total. Head coaches today can make $10,000,000 in yearly compensation with outside contracts added. The deal doesn't appear so crazy when you realize 100 young men (18-22 'ish) risk life and limb and STILL only make 1/2 the salary of one football coach. Carrying on with the hypothetical.... a loaded up OU stomps poor OSU at home on Saturday afternoon. All team members get a pay envelope after they shower and dress. Let's say $2,500 each. Come Monday afternoon, how many all together are in jail, in the hospital, the morgue, or missing and unexcused from practice ? Like the rest of you old guys, I see trouble.... and fast. Until further notice kids, OU is the place to be.