OldSchoolLion
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1 hour ago, DarterBlue2 said:
Belan Jesuit? If not Belan, then Miami Killian?
Belen Jesuit-yes
Killian-no
I think there may be another one from central FL.
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So far we have the following, but there might be another one.
Hamilton
Lake Brantley
Wharton
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1 hour ago, DarterBlue2 said:
Tampa Wharton? Tampa Chamberlin? Lake Brantley? Sarasota Booker? Pensacola Catholic? Kings Academy? Hamilton County? Mandarin?
That's all I got. I know a couple are right, but am pretty sure some are wrong.
Wharton-yes
Chamberlain-no
Lake Brantley-yes
Booker-no
Pensacola Catholic-no
King's Academy-no
Hamilton County-yes
Mandarin-no
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3 hours ago, gatorman-uf said:
King's Academy?
Wakulla?
Hamilton County?Hamilton County...yes ...very good. No on the other 2.
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4 hours ago, Trelle said:
Palm Beach Gardens?
Good try, but PBG made it to the state semi in 2013 after winning the state title in 2005.
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9 minutes ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:
Ponte Vedra?
No sir. They made it past the second round in more than year.
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At #1 it is...Deerfield Beach! Despite 40 playoff wins and numerous deep playoff runs, the Bucks only made it to one state final back in 2005. Amongst larger schools, only 7 have made it to more state semis than the Bucks.
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At #2 we have Edgewater, with 38 playoff wins. They have made 4 trips to the state finals and still no state title. 2 of those losses were by less than a TD. Can they end the streak this year? If they make the state final and lose, they will overtake the #1 team.
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Coming in at #3 is South Sumter with 35 playoff wins. They made numerous deep runs under coaching legend Inman Sherman, including one state final appearance in 2005.
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At #4 we have Delray Beach Atlantic, with 33 playoff wins. Perhaps no other program has such a hard-luck story. 5 trips to the state finals(4 of those in the 1970's) and no state title. They lost those 5 games by a combined 29 points.
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8 minutes ago, KeemD321 said:
Viera
No sir. They made it past the second round in more than year.
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Over the past 25 years, these teams each appeared in a state final one year, but in all other years, never made it past the second round of the playoffs. Who are the teams?
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Of those 100+ schools that opened since 1992, only 13 have managed to win a region title. Here they are with the year(s) they won a region title. In parentheses after each is the county where the school sits. Those with an asterisk won a state title. An interesting stat...only one larger school that has opened over the past 25 years has won a state title...Flanagan. And as everyone knows, Flanagan was a bit of a one hit wonder.
Although they have never won a state title, the real outlier in the bunch is Bartram Trail. Arguably no school that has opened over the past 25 years has been so consistent. BT opened in 2000 and has only missed the playoff a few times. They have won 23 playoff games during that span. It begs the question...what is it about Bartram Trail that enabled this school to be so successful so quickly?
Bartram Trail 2007, 2011, 2013, 2017
Belleview 2000 (Marion)
Braden River 2015 (Manatee)
Cypress Bay 2010, 2012 (Broward)
Durant 2003 (Hillsborough)
*Flanagan 2014, 2015 (Broward)
*Northview 2010, 2011, 2012
Ponte Vedra 2016 (St Johns)
Steinbrenner 2019 (Hillsborough)
Viera 2015 (Brevard)
Wekiva 2017 (Orange)
West Florida 2017 (Escambia)
Wharton 2002 (Hillsborough)
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Of the 61 "newer" schools listed above in 3 of Florida's major metro areas, 6 have won a region title(listed below) and 12 have won 5 or more playoff games since opening. 21 of the teams have never won a playoff game. It would likely be safe to say that the majority of these 61 teams have struggled to be consistently competitive.
Wharton 2002
Durant 2003
Cypress Bay 2010, 2012
Flanagan 2014, 2015
Wekiva 2017
Steinbrenner 2019
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Let's see how 17 "newer" teams in the Orlando metro area have fared. After the name of each school is the year the school opened, the number of playoff wins since then, and their record from 2019.
Lake County
East Ridge(8A) 2002 6 p/o wins (4-4 this season)
Lake Minneola(6A) 2011 5 p/o wins (9-1 this season with 3 playoff wins)
South Lake(7A) 1993 1 p/o win (4-4 this season)
Orange County
Cypress Creek(8A) 1992 0 p/o wins (0-9 this season)
East River(7A) 2009 1 p/o win (5-3 this season with 1 p/o win via forfeit)
Freedom(8A) 2003 0 p/o wins (2-4 this season)
Lake Nona(8A) 2009 0 p/o wins (4-4 this season)
Ocoee(8A) 2005 0 p/o wins (3-5 this season)
Olympia(8A) 2001 2 p/o wins (5-5 this season with 1 p/o win)
Timber Creek(8A) 2001 5 p/o wins (7-2 this season with 1 p/o win)
Wekiva(8A) 2007 7 p/o wins (6-4 this season with 2 p/o wins)
Windermere(8A) 2017 1 p/o wins (2-7 this season with 1 p/o win)
Osceola County
Celebration(Ind) 2003 0 p/o wins (4-6 last season when they were in 8A)
Harmony(Ind) 2004 2 p/o wins (2-8 last season when they were in 7A)
Liberty(Ind) 2007 0 p/o wins (1-9 last season when they were in 7A)
Seminole County
Hagerty(8A) 2005 1 p/o win (5-5 this season with 1 p/o win)
Winter Springs(7A) 1997 1 p/o win (0-8 this season)
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35 minutes ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:
Even back in the 70s and 80s it was possible to make the playoffs with a losing record if you had a small district and beat all the teams in it and we also had situations like 2015 where Eastside made playoffs at 1-9 with their only win coming over winless belleview in a 3 team district
The reason it was done is because the FHSAA didn't think they had any chance of actually making it through the season with a normal district format
Take teams like gainesville and Fletcher for instance who missed close to a month worth of games with multiple stoppages, having a strict district setup would not only punish them but also their fellow district opponents who could have their schedules upended because of their inability to contain the virus and now imagine that in a 8 or 9 team district with little flexibility as it is and having to force Teams to play 3 or 4 games in a 14 day stretch
It was a mess that had no solution so even though I felt the playoffs (at least in the manner done) was unnecessary but they set it up the best that it could be done and just using a blanket statement like "teams with losing records shouldn't make it" is not always a symbol of the best team
Last year Wolfson missed the playoffs at 8-2 to a 5-5 TCA team but who in their right minds would say that Wolfson would have actually beaten TCA (in fact I believe they used to play only for Wolfson to be tired of losing to them and refused to play anymore)
A record isn't always indicative of the ability of the team, for example the last 3 opponents Columbia has played had more wins than them yet columbia won 2 by double digits and knocked off a 1 loss Mainland team who's only loss came to undefeated Sanford Seminole who's playing in the 8a regional finals this week
And yes this year is really just a case of "do the best you can with the circumstances" so I don't disagree with the general idea that the playoffs do get devalued with more teams but I also don't believe records should be the best use of determining playoff teams because the schedules are so unbalanced because teams these days like to schedule easy games and inflate their record while avoiding solid teams who have to overschedule just to find teams willing to play them
For some perspective, ST Thomas Aquinas was 8-2 in 1988, but did not make the 4A playoffs. Eventual state champion Dillard won the district title over STA in the ninth game of the season that year and only the Panthers advanced. In 1978, the Raiders went 9-1, but lost the district title to Ely in the ninth game of the season and did not make the playoffs. If a 9-1 team today did not make the playoffs, some folks would go off the deep end. District games back then were huge when the sole playoff berth was on the line....and winning a district title could be a source of great prestige. I miss that today.
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2 hours ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:
Even back in the 70s and 80s it was possible to make the playoffs with a losing record if you had a small district and beat all the teams in it and we also had situations like 2015 where Eastside made playoffs at 1-9 with their only win coming over winless belleview in a 3 team district
The reason it was done is because the FHSAA didn't think they had any chance of actually making it through the season with a normal district format
Take teams like gainesville and Fletcher for instance who missed close to a month worth of games with multiple stoppages, having a strict district setup would not only punish them but also their fellow district opponents who could have their schedules upended because of their inability to contain the virus and now imagine that in a 8 or 9 team district with little flexibility as it is and having to force Teams to play 3 or 4 games in a 14 day stretch
It was a mess that had no solution so even though I felt the playoffs (at least in the manner done) was unnecessary but they set it up the best that it could be done and just using a blanket statement like "teams with losing records shouldn't make it" is not always a symbol of the best team
Last year Wolfson missed the playoffs at 8-2 to a 5-5 TCA team but who in their right minds would say that Wolfson would have actually beaten TCA (in fact I believe they used to play only for Wolfson to be tired of losing to them and refused to play anymore)
A record isn't always indicative of the ability of the team, for example the last 3 opponents Columbia has played had more wins than them yet columbia won 2 by double digits and knocked off a 1 loss Mainland team who's only loss came to undefeated Sanford Seminole who's playing in the 8a regional finals this week
And yes this year is really just a case of "do the best you can with the circumstances" so I don't disagree with the general idea that the playoffs do get devalued with more teams but I also don't believe records should be the best use of determining playoff teams because the schedules are so unbalanced because teams these days like to schedule easy games and inflate their record while avoiding solid teams who have to overschedule just to find teams willing to play them
ColumbiaFan...the norm in the 70's and 80's was larger districts and only the champion advanced. For instance, this was a 3A south FL district in 1981. Playoff teams from such districts did not have losing records!
Chaminade
Ely
Fort Lauderdale
Hallandale
Northeast
Pompano Beach
Stranahan
St Thomas Aquinas
Concerning records, please see the post below. Though records do not always tell the story of a team, the odds of a team with a marginal record making a deep playoff run are, relatively speaking, very small.
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5 hours ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:
More like a playoff appearance
There was quite a few schools who still managed to walk away with 0 playoff wins after losing their "postseason Play-in"
I understand. I was being sarcastic my literal friend.
As far as I am concerned, everything this year is a big asterisk in the record books. That is not to say that winning a state title this year will be easy, nor is it to say that kids should not be extremely proud to win a state title. But with some teams absent and some teams not at full strength, it won't quite be the same. That said, one would hope that kids will just flat out enjoy playing regardless of what's on the line.
Concerning the classification of a play-in games as a playoff game...It used to be a huge deal to make the playoffs and a source of great pride, even if one lost in the first round. I think we have taken away from the prestige by allowing so many teams in. My comments are not necessarily specific to this year.
Maybe it's just me, but allowing teams with losing records to play in the playoffs just strikes me as odd. If it is that important to allow teams to play in the post-season, have bowl games.
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5 hours ago, Legion37 said:
Attended the Manatee STA game and for a team that isn't "living up to its potential" STA looked like a well oiled machine. STA will be a tough out. On the first "drive" of the game STA ran through Manatee (2 plays) and on the second they went over them.
Seems like I have heard that a number of times over the past decade, yet.... Maybe some have unrealistic expectations.
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In a stunning turn of events, the FHSAA has implemented a "playoff stimulus package" whereby all FL HS teams will be granted a playoff win this season in the record books
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18 minutes ago, Hwy17 said:
Fort Myers and Charlotte are probably on the list or close.
close, but not quite
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3 minutes ago, Proseteye said:
I think you meant 5A not 3A.
NM was in 3A back then.
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Do you see a trend, yet? Look at all of these Central FL teams on the list. Here is another one from Polk County. At #5 is Lake Wales, with 31 playoff wins. LW made the state finals back in 93 and 94, but have not been back since. They have been a relatively consistent program since the mid 90's, and have made 3 state semis (2001, 2009, 2013), losing all 3 at home.
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...hmmm. Well, Apopka played in a big game against this team the year this team went to the state final. Would not be surprised if you were at that game.