Jambun82
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7 hours ago, Legion37 said:
Well parents aren't likely going to go back to the days before charter schools, magnet schools, vouchers and the like.
Even liberals in big cities seek out the "better" schools. Going to the school you are districted for is quickly becoming archaic these days.
That ship has sailed, the genie is out of the bottle and so forth...
This a great point and post Legion37.
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8 hours ago, badbird said:
Didn’t wear a visor but I’m sure I did plenty of things that could have got me ejected. Luckily i had officials that didn’t over react
Is there any chance that you would provide some examples of some of your actions as a head coach?
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19 hours ago, Jags904 said:
If anyone here thinks a coach should be ejected for walking up to a ref, then they are on drugs. This is the FHSAA kissing the refs associations ass to make them feel better for being paid like crap. That was a pathetic ejection and he should’ve been given the opportunity to properly earn it.
I’d like to sit down with the Miramar coach and have him point out the personal fouls for me. I hope that film was sent to the FHSAA & nothing was done about it. Typical.
IT IS AGAINST THE NFHS RULES FOR A COACH TO WALK OUT ONTO THE MIDDLE OF THE FIELD OF PLAY UNLESS IT IS FOR AN AUTHORIZED CONFERENCE TO TALK TO HIS PLAYERS!
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8 hours ago, badbird said:
I guess I’m on drugs Jags. I have also been a head coach and understand that those actions are not acceptable by the head coach. Jags he could have been easily ejected by most officials. You don’t know what was said either do I but even not knowing what was said you do not walk out to the field to confront or talk to the ref. If the refs threw a flag and were yelling for him to get off the field and he kept going then yes he deserved to be ejected. I imagine both sides refs and coach could have handled it better.
However nothing I saw in that video deserved a year suspension which got reduced to 3 months. He most likely deserved a one or two game suspension.
That is almost exactly what I said. How could the officials have done to handle it better? The Head Coach was ejected after no doubt collecting two UNC fouls. Also, we don't know what was said to the officials by the Head Coach. Then this Head Coach clearly does not understand what he did wrong. Also, unless the Head Coach has a law degree, he is NOT the player's attorney. He is the players coach. he needs to worry about coaching his team, and not what the officials are doing.
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1 minute ago, badbird said:
Dan wanted to beat your ass. Peezy is too nice. I’m too old to care about beating your ass. Columbiafan no need to shut it down.
Dan in Daytona? The same man who bought me a meal at Red Robin, and always says hello to me whenever he sees me in person? Peezy, and I worked out our differences, and have an understanding. If you were younger, you would like to beat my ass? Is that what you are saying?
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11 minutes ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:
Both of you chill out the threats or I'm gonna shut the thread down
Stay on topic and cut out the aggressive attitude or I'm locking it down
I haven't threatened anybody.
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6 minutes ago, badbird said:
Birdbrain? No wonder no one likes you on these boards and most end up wanting to beat your ass. You called someone out for taking a side without facts and did the same thing with out any facts. That makes you a hypocrite. After watching the video if you feel the coach should have been ejected i can respect that opinion. Stop being an ass and people might respect you
Well, I have never been physically threatened on a message board. Maybe that is going to change now, do you want to beat my ass? Being around high school football for many years, I had a pretty good idea about what happened, and when I saw the video my initial thoughts were proven correct. The FHSAA does not take suspending coaches lightly, this coach must have really said something to earn this punishment.
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3 minutes ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:
Not all unsportsmanlike conducts result in a ejection and a 3 month suspension though
Agreed, but my point was that we don't know if the coach had a prior UNC foul. Also, we don't know what was said when the coach stormed out on the field like he did.
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4 minutes ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:
I'm sure your a good person @Jambun82 but it's easy to read through your posts you have a built in bias favoring officials regardless of the circumstances and in many cases before even having all the facts
Thank you, I think that you are a good person too. Do you mind if I call you Purple and Gold Tiger Stripes Man?
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7 hours ago, Cat_Scratch said:
Jambun is a good dude and has helped strengthen officiating. Sorry some of you do not see that.
Thank you very much Cat-Scratch. I have always appreciated and enjoyed your posts about Cocoa Tiger football.
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2 minutes ago, Jags904 said:
Do they use lube, spit, or just go in on you?
Ejecting a coach for calling a timeout and going out to speak to them. It’s an obvious abuse of power. A coach trying to protect his players should be ejected is what I expect a typical ref to say. You must feel like God when you walk out on the field and feel so good when you can talk to coaches like they are scum beneath you.
Jags904, it is against the rules for a head coach to walk out on the field of play like that. Why can't you understand that? That' can be an unsportsmanlike foul. Also, we don't know if the coach was warned about his behavior prior to this incident. We don't know of the coach already had one unsportsmanlike foul prior to this. I have NEVER felt like God, and you don't really know if I am an official, but no coach is scum beneath any official. The FHSAA is very clear about how officials, are to be approached and treated. Coaches should know this very well.
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8 hours ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:
Close
Jambun is a "officials" homer in simple terms and I think he also active official as well but I'm not 100% sure on that
Officials Homer? I like that very much! May I use that in the future? I will give you full credit of course Purple and Gold Tiger Stripes Man.
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10 hours ago, Jags904 said:
Yeah I’ve seen the video. It was an abuse of power and you obviously love the FHSAA so our conversation ends here.
Oh yes, I just LOVE the FHSAA. You still haven't explained the abuse of power.
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14 hours ago, badbird said:
so you haven't seen the video but don't believe the coach however you call out people for not believing the ref. hypocrite
Hypocrite huh? I will tell you what Birdbrain,, I have now seen the video, and I stand by what I said. The head coach NEVER is allowed to walk on the field like that, and say anything to the officials. The proper procedure is for the head coach to call timeout, and then have the referee walk to the sideline with another official. Obviously, the head coach did not give the officials that opportunity. Therefore he was ejected and then suspended by the FHSAA. I applaud the FHSAA' s decision, and I think that is unbelievable that this coach still doesn't realize that he was wrong.
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12 minutes ago, gatorman-uf said:
Jambun
If we were to believe coach that he called timeout to talk to head referee, if he walked fast and talked loud (even if he was yelling about a missed call), is the referees first response to flag and eject.
Gatorman-UF, I do NOT believe the coach. I am inclined to believe that the officials did the right thing, but I have no proof at all. Two unsportsmanlike fouls on a player or coach is an automatic ejection. If what was described in the report actually happened, then the coach very quickly committed two unsportsmanlike fouls. I know the FHSAA very well, that Association does not render a penalty this severe unless something very egregious happened with the head coach. How do we expect high school kids to act in a sportsmanlike, and respectful manner when adult coaches cannot act in this way, and show some respect for authority?
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1 hour ago, Jags904 said:
That’s a BS suspension. I have seen and heard refs doing absolutely awful things and when reported the FHSAA tucked their tail and did nothing. Pathetic abuse of power.
What is BS about it Jags904? Did you attend the game? Do you see what happened? Did you hear what happened? Where is the pathetic abuse of power? What absolutely awful things have you heard or seen officials doing? What do you report to the FHSAA?
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2 hours ago, skyway said:
But, unlike athletics, schools face the very real possibility of continued mass exodus of students through voucher programs etc, which DIRECTLY impacts the $ they receive from the state and, ultimately, their ability to function and remain open.
In case it's not clear, I HATE the philosophy employed by Florida's education department and the philosophy for which Besty DeVos is the (very ugly) face. I'm also in favor of things being "reasonably competitive" in both academics and athletics. But, I can't stand this rank hypocrisy I see with folks who are happy to see public schools bankrupted through a voucher system or free transfers from "D" or "F" rated schools, resulting in the best students never showing up or leaving, resulting in a stacked deck of students with academic strengths.
The EXACT same set of circumstances that allow a Lakeland to continuously end up with a stacked football roster exist to allow the "elite" academic schools to play with a stacked deck of the best and most motivated students that are certain to produce high test scores. Either you oppose both, support both, or are utterly blind and/or hypocritical.
Skyway, by your own reasoning, that makes you utterly blind and/or hypocritical, since you apparently support athletic transfers, but oppose school choice.
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8 hours ago, 561_Fan said:
Lakes was the better team, but not 48-0 better. Lakes Left DE lined up offsides all game. Every big play (wasn’t many) for PK got called back. Holding is in the eye of the official, so... Like i said Lakes was better. This is the 3rd consecutive year we’ve played Lakes (won both).
PKs issues are internal and hopefully, the staff will take this extra time to self-scout
Thank you 561_Fan.
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561_Fan, could you provide some more examples of the problems that you had with the officiating? Thank you.
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11 hours ago, badbird said:
looks like a block in the back to me. Pause it at 59 seconds and his hands are on his back.
They could have also called a hold on the slot WR. His hands are clearly outside and his left hand is on his back.
Yes, I see what you mean on both counts badbird.
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22 hours ago, skyway said:
If you watch the last clip, at 0:50, you get a much better view. The other WR is not in position to do anything. And, we can easily see when and where the official threw the flag. It was obviously on #10. And, it was obviously b.s. Although not nearly as b.s. as the roughing the punter call towards the end of the 1st half, or a couple of the roughing the passer calls.
All right, thank you skyway.
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23 hours ago, HornetFan said:
As a long time football fan and season ticket holder to several pro and college football teams during my life, I have always believed that officials should establish early what will and will not be tolerated and then let the players play provided they don't get out of hand. A block in the back can be as little as a slight push or as bad as wiping a player out from behind; I don't believe a slight push should be called. It's like pass interference; too often officials determine who wins a game by not allowing any contact by CB's. It's football, not soccer.
HornetFan, I didn't mean to be rude, but a foul is ALWAYS at the discretion of the officials, that is what the officials role is in a football game. Also, Pro, and College Football Officiating cannot be compared to High School Football Officiating. The objectives are often different when comparing players who play for a living or on scholarship with teenage children many of whom will never play beyond this level.
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2 minutes ago, badbird said:
So should we teach are players to block in the butt? Would that be a penalty?
A block in the butt would be a clipping foul. Not to be confused with butt-blocking which is blocking against a non-runner with the front of the helmet.
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HornetFan, what authority
7 hours ago, HornetFan said:Whether the call is made or not is always at the discretion of the officials; sometimes that decision smells of home town cooking. I have seen too many great plays called back for penalties that occur away from the ball; most of the time they are holding calls or blocks in the back. I agree player safety fouls should always be called.
HornetFan, what authority do you have to declare that whether a call is made is not at the discretion of the officials? What do you think that the officials role is during a High School Football game? A block in the back is a Player Safety foul, no matter where it occurs. Of course, a block in the back is a block with clear initial hands or arms below the shoulders, and above the waist of an opponent. Many times what coaches and fans believe is a block in the back, is not in fact so unless this is clear to the official. Also, a block in the back could be considered a Personal Foul is the action is well away for the play on the field.
Miramar head coach suspended for remainder of season.
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Thank you badbird. If that officials started the clock on the ready-for-play instead of the snap after a delay of game, that is clearly wrong and you would have been justified sending in the game film to the Supervisor of that Officials Association, as well as perhaps the FHSAA. Was it the referee that said the he can do whatever he wanted, or the wing official on your sideline? Thankfully, there is rule now that the offended team can choose to have the clock started on the snap after a foul in the last two minutes of the second and fourth quarters. Also, I am sorry that I called you that name, I won't do that again.