Jambun82
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3 hours ago, Longtime Observer said:
I, and every single person on this board and in this country, has the authority to make any comment we wish. You see, in the United States, we have what's called The Constitution, which has many amendments. One of the amendments, the very first one as a matter of fact, protects the speech of citizens. The rest of the reply was covered by Trelle above.
The issue is that you don't what you are talking about when it comes to officials, officiating, and the concerns, problems, that officials care about and deal with. Have you ever wondered why there is a severe shortage of High School Sports Officials Nationwide?
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7 hours ago, Trelle said:
Why not?
Are you not an independent contractor whose pay comes from the school and/or state? You agreed wether or not it’s a lot or a little, to a monetary agreement to to this jobs which is paid for by tax payers. If my money or anyone else’s is paying for you to do a job, then we as tax payers have the right comment, judge, or petition for change. Your paid just as a teacher is paid, if we have concerns with a teacher we can either take it to the school or the school board. If we have an issue with a contractor doing road maintenance we’re allowed to bring it up to our city council or city maintenance manager. Don’t forget your place and say you demand things or people have no authority to question things. If anything we have more power than you. There’s a difference between you not liking what we have to say, and us voicing a concern. You can be fired, we can’t. You’re a public servant at the end of the day, don’t forget that.
Hahahaha, thank you for the great laugh, Trelle!
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9 hours ago, cribboy305 said:
go watch the game then & stop talkin
You don't tell me what to do, and I will talk as long as I want to, cribboy305.
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10 hours ago, Longtime Observer said:
It's time for new leadership and a new approach for officials in the state. The current leadership and approach is not willing to reflect and seek improvement. Officials SHOULD answer to all stakeholders: coaches, players, school administrators and fans. They aren't supposed to have their own axe to grind, which they keep secret from everyone else. If officials operate as if they answer to no one other than themselves, they demonstrate themselves to be unfit for such employment. It seems clear we need to start over. Part of that can and probably should involve better compensation. But, it also must involve training officials as to their responsibilities, as well as the ways in which they are not permitted to intervene.
You have no authority to make a comment or judgement like that.
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10 hours ago, DarterBlue2 said:
No, as I stated earlier, the local on-line paper stated that an Apopka player (unnamed) had briefly stepped out of bounds before the ball was caught (it is not cleared whether it had yet been thrown, based on the article).
If the foul occurred when the ball had already been caught, then the penalty enforcement would be from the spot of the foul. If the ball had not been caught when the foul occurred, then the penalty enforcement would be from the previous spot.
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12 minutes ago, DarterBlue2 said:
Yes. The line of scrimmage was about the Apopka 40; the ball was snapped low to the APK QB who was in the gun. But he handled it well, and immediately hurled it downfield to the receiver who caught it in stride.
When the TD was called back, the ball was spotted very near mid-field, if I remember correctly.
Hold on, when the foul was committed had the ball already been caught by the receiver?
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1 hour ago, Longtime Observer said:
It's often hard to tell when you're joking and when you're dead serious. If you're serious here, I think it's very revealing as to how many refs think of themselves, the players and the fans. Coaches, players and fans should not be left in the dark, unable to know what refs "are trying to achieve and are looking for". There are a great number of judgment calls- holding and unsportsmanlike conduct being two prominent ones- and the judgment (or lack thereof) employed at the high school level is very frequently divergent from that seen at the higher levels of the game. Officials need to be willing to come out and directly answer, Why? If current leadership within officials' organizations is advising a condescending attitude to those who are skeptical as to what's going on, then leadership needs to be removed.
I can assure that I am dead serious Longtime Observer. You are not qualified to critique and rate officials and officiating, you don't know what officials are looking for and you never will, and no official will explain that to you with your preconceived notions.
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9 hours ago, cribboy305 said:
man is the referee regulator, sent here on official business by the state to distract us gentlemen.
Nope, I do this on my own to educate and hold people accountable when officiating is a topic on this message board cribboy305.
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10 hours ago, PinellasFB said:
I'm on the coast west of you and we've had wide spread bad flooding as well as squall after squall come through. Entire Pinellas got hit hard so I'm guessing games have to be cancelled for Thursday. Friday might still be a go but many roads are impassable still.
After the big hurricane in 2017, most to almost all games were made up on Monday, Tuesday, and even Saturday Nights, later in the season. Teams were willing to play two games in less than 7 days to make sure all games were played, even JV games. That should be considered again hopefully.
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11 hours ago, DarterBlue2 said:
Then it is curious that the officials did not back us up 15 yards. I believe they actually placed the ball a few yards ahead of the prior spot near mid-field.
The play was a pass, correct?
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Just now, DarterBlue2 said:
I read in a local paper that it was called because a player was briefly out of bounds before the receiver caught the ball. It did not say whether it was the receiver or another player. Please share your knowledge and any insight you may have.
I certainly saw no unsportsmanlike action on the part of the receiver who had a step on the corner, caught the ball in stride, cut a little to his left and scored easily.
If a player stepped out of bounds on his own without being pushed out by an opponent, that is an Illegal Participation Foul. 15 yards from the previous spot since that was a loose-ball play(passing) and replay the down. The touchdown is canceled.
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34 minutes ago, Beek said:
Not going to get into a argument with you because your name says it all. Self reflection is the best thing of all. How many kids on osceolas team are zoned for osceola! How many of them were / are transfers? and secondly who really cares except for those who are trying to win a pointless argument. Every school has transfers. Its the wild west out there for high school transfers. If you are not happy somewhere go somewhere else. As for incoming transfers, yes Poinciana has had some. some of them were originally zoned for poinciana and just came back, A lot of our starters are Poinciana only students. Osceola has some transfers that are zoned for Poinciana. So why not hate on them!. You wont, because you can only have a one sided opinion. Osceola has transfers from all over. So does poinciana, so does everyone else. If you dont like that then fix the problem. But no one can do that. But do not attack us for what we are doing. We have finally stopped the bleeding of players and have become a destination for some kids looking for an opportunity to play. We have changed the culture. If you cant see that, take off your one sided glasses. We are not putting down anyone or any program. We are just making a difference. Every kid who wanted to go to the next level got an offer. We work hard getting kids in school. After all that is the point, not just winning games.
Beek, I hope that you and your team and players are staying safe and I wish you all the best as always. Most posters on this message board know and respect the job that you are doing at Poinciana, and I wish that there were more High School Coaches like you.
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On 8/28/2023 at 8:02 AM, DarterBlue2 said:
That is what I thought. But the Orlando Sentinel reported that the TD was disallowed due to an unsportsmanlike call on Apopka; a few Twitter threads suggested as much. My old, tired eyes did not see a personal foul committed by the Apopka receiver. Now it's possible there could have been a hold by the receiver enabling the receiver to get two steps ahead of the corner that I did not see as my eyes were focused on the QB who handled a low snap well before hurling it downfield. Apopka snapped the ball from about its own 40, but when the TD was brought back the ball was placed nearer to midfield. For the life of me, I can't figure out why the TD was disallowed.
Did you ever determine if the penalty was a Personal Foul or an Unsportsmanlike Conduct Foul, DarterBlue2?
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10 hours ago, THAT S--T WAS FUNNY said:
This dude gotta be drinking
Yes, water, iced tea, and Pepsi. The only beer that I drink is root beer.
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10 hours ago, Longtime Observer said:
My experience involves thirty years of having Friday nights revolve around high school football games, watching or participating in several games every single weekend in that time. My qualifications as someone asking questions, is that I am a human being who is curious about things that don't make immediate sense to me. My qualifications related to speaking to the fan's viewing experience is that I've been a fan viewing and attending games at all levels of football for 35 years (we had season tickets to Gator games starting when I was ten years old in 1988. Run Emmitt, run!)
So, I think the questions above reveal a blind spot. Many refs believe it is all about them, and them doing what's "right", whereby "right" has zero regard for what players may encounter at superior levels of the game, or how fan's view the experience of watching games. The notions that you may be teaching "lessons" which are actually not applicable to superior levels of the game, or that the incessant ticky-tack penalty calls and officials' delays ruin the experience for fans, may be totally lost on most officials.
Those reasons are not enough to be an expert on officiating and what officials are looking for Longtime Observer. To quote Jim Mora when he was the Head Coach of the New Orleans Saints to reporters questioning the team's strategies and play calls: "You don't know what we are trying to achieve and are looking for. You may think that you know, but you don't know and YOU NEVER WILL!"
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2 minutes ago, Longtime Observer said:
I think that this is worth investigating and discussing further. It does seem that high school officiating (in Florida anyway) seems to be focused entirely on disciplining players heavily. "Teach them a lesson". But, what lesson? Given the fact that penalties called at the high school level are often not called at the superior levels, it's not clear what actually is being taught. And, why is there little to no regard for the fan's viewing experience in high school? Does high school football not need or want fans to attend games? It seems to me that we have a lot of old "fuddy-duddies" who are just stubborn, antiquated and logically inconsistent in their approach. And, it's not clear that there is a single person actually benefiting from this. All we end up with is a poor product from the fan's perspective, and unjust penalty calls from the players and coaches' perspectives.
On what experience or qualification do you base this rant on. Longtime Observer?
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37 minutes ago, ExplorerHomer2 said:
We understand, massa ... I mean "supervisor"
@cribboy305 my man ain't playing. Don't ever criticize any thing unless you got immediate evidence that he approves of. No one criticize anything. You are NOT qualified, you hear? I mean, apply this to everything: don't criticize coaches, unless you are a coach. Don't criticize teachers, unless you are a teacher. Don't criticize politicians unless you are a politician. Don't complain about that burger unless you a chef!!! Don't complain about hurricanes unless you a meteorologist. Don't complain about women unless you dress up in yo ladies high heels and panties on the weekend when she out wit her crew..
Because ... YOU ARE NOT QUALIFIED!!!
ExplereHomer2, that is an extreme view, and I cannot agree with all of your observations. However, when a poster criticizes officiating or officials on this message board, that poster will answer to me. I will put anybody in their place when it comes to officiating on this message board, you can take that to the bank and exchange it for cash.
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2 minutes ago, THAT S--T WAS FUNNY said:
Yes sir mr. official
Now, if we can get just get High School Coaches to learn and recite this expression and language............
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3 hours ago, cribboy305 said:
… So you are a referee? & if so why nor watch the game?
better question is are you one of the refs who reffed the Nw Vero game, because you seem on the defensive side as we talk about what happened.
Lastly, idc what you demand or urge fam. Understand this is a highschool football forum, idk you you dont know me. Take yo behind to facebook with all that.
Cribboy305, you and I both know what a great honor and privilege that is for you to be able to speak with me. If you want to continue with this great honor and privilege of yours, you will be expected and demanded to answer my questions and provide me examples when I ask for them. You and I also know that you can learn a lot from me, and it behooves you to admit that I am absolutely correct, which deep down you know as well.
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2 hours ago, THAT S--T WAS FUNNY said:
I really hope Jambun doesn't act the same way as an official like he does on this message board. Maybe this is just some self-amusing shtick that he is into.
I act the way that I need and want to act in any situation that I see fit.
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9 hours ago, Perspective said:
I hate when JV games get cancelled. At least here in Hillsborough County, the JV teams only get to play 6 games and typically if a game gets canceled (for any reason), it doesn't get rescheduled. Those kids are out there practicing just as much as the varsity kids, so I hate to see them have an already short season made even shorter.
You and I agree on something, Perspective. Congratulations. Please stay safe and get through this storm.
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5 hours ago, Longtime Observer said:
Are you suggesting the rules-particularly holding and unsportsmanlike conduct- are different in high school? Or that the way in which the same rules are enforced is different? If it's the latter, we have to ask 'Why?" Why would it benefit anyone for plays that wouldn't be called penalties at the higher, superior levels of football to be called penalties in high school? Has there been any real consideration of benefits and costs? Incessant disruptions to games due to penalties being called that wouldn't be called at the superior levels of the game are killing fan interest. And they aren't helping the players given that they all can plainly see those plays wouldn't be flagged at the better levels of the game.
The philosophy of officiating is not always consistent between Pro, College, and High School Football.
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11 hours ago, cribboy305 said:
What I’m getting from this is you must be a referee… cause you sound mad sir. frankly I dont owe anyone anything, every one in here is capable of doing their own research to figure out whatever they may want to. & yes I’m more than qualified to critique officials on their obvious mistakes. I’ve played & coached football my whole life, Ian just talking. The full youtube link for the game is still up. Feel free to watch & make your own judgement.
& To answer your question I do plan to go through whatever avenue to see about officiating.
Cribboy305, when you make accusations about officiating on the message board, you will be challenged by me, and you are strongly urged to provide answers to my questions. The onus will be on you to provide examples and videos, and I will expect nothing less. You are NOT qualified to critique and rate officials and officiating, because I am telling you that you are not qualified. Now, if you do take the steps to become an official, which I strongly urge you to consider and follow-through with, that may change.
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13 minutes ago, AllOsceolaCountyFB said:
High school Officials aren't great, they are pressured into trying to call a perfect game when its impossible and that's why we get ticky tacky penalties that we don't get at the next level, never heard a referee overturn a call because a coach yelled, move on
That is an accurate observation.
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How about this ExplorerHomer2, provide officials with pensions, paid sick time, health insurance, etc. similar to what other Government Employees receive and then we can talk about officials being "public servants" who have to answer to the whims of fans who sit in the bleachers and cheer. How about that?