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  3. Alabama vs Clemson Yaaaawn

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    7 minutes ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

    That Alabama has gotten better as they have went to less players in their state and gotten players from much stronger surrounding states like FL for example

     

    The FL universitys would do so much better if they would recruit their own state better

     

    Like look at UCF,  25 in a row and almost entirely a FL roster

    Both.

    I also agree that Florida Universities need to do a better job keeping some of the talent here from leaving. 

  5. Alabama vs Clemson Yaaaawn

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    Just now, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:

    There is no Cinderella story in college football because of extreme bias and hatred of change

     

    Notice how much hate UCF gets all the time, people hate them because they didn't stay in their lane and accept injustice and the status quo 

     

    People hate them because they aren't the tradition of Notre Dame or Alabama and with everyone having a chance it pisses people off who want the little guy squished before they can make it big

     

    UCF would have been the Cinderella story but 2 straight years they were left out to allow a traditional power like Ohio State or Notre Dame get in only to get squashed like a bug and waste the playoff spot

    Stay tuned for Tuesday. That will be an important test. I believe UCF  for the second year takes down a big SEC team. LSU does not even have their heads in the game and I think they offense is going to get exposed! 

  6. Alabama vs Clemson Yaaaawn

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    1 hour ago, OldSchoolLion said:

    This is an interesting article/perspective.  I disagree it is what is good for college football.  No argument we will get to see two of the deepest college teams imaginable.  But for me, the essence of amateur sports was the unpredictable...the Cinderella story...David vs. Goliath.  There is no March Madness in the pros.  We have pro sports to satisfy our need to see the "ultimate" team(s).

    College football is becoming more predictable and high school football is well on its way.  In future years, where will folks go who want the unpredictable?  It seems as if those opportunities are shrinking.  Why does everything have to be the biggest and the best...at all levels?  I thoroughly enjoy watching a bunch of awkward little kids stumble around as they learn the game.  There is a joy in such things.  We are driving the "all star" mentality deeper and deeper.

    But don't worry everyone.  We are much happier today than in the past.  How do I know?  "They" are telling us so.  The same folks who have their names plastered all over the stadiums and who want to sell us all that stuff we've just got to have to make us happy.    :rolleyes:   I respect anyone who thinks differently and truly likes seeing Alabama vs Clemson again.  What I don't appreciate is being told why I should be happy to get what someone else decided was a good thing.  

    http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/25642948/alabama-clemson-part-iv-historic-college-football-playoff-national-championship

    I pretty much agree with all you said above. Unfortunately, it is not just in sports, but in the entire society we seem to be going further down the road of the haves and have nots. This is not a sustainable recipe and will eventually lead to apathy and ultimately serious social unrest. 

    Stay tuned ...

  7. Congrats to Brian Maurer of West Port

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    9 minutes ago, Proseteye said:
    • Total Passing Yards
      3572
    • Passing TDs
      34
    • Passing Yards/Game
      357.2
    • Pass Completions
      280
    • Pass Attempts
      428
    • Interceptions
      12

            Also a .654 completion percentage.

     

    And, you wonder how West Port could have gone 2-8.

    But in several games, they scored a lot of points. If the defense wasn't Swiss cheese, they may have had a winning record. 

  8. Canes Second Worst Bowl Game Loss Ever

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    2 hours ago, OldSchoolLion said:

    Only the Canes' 40-3 loss to LSU in the 2005 Peach Bowl topped the 35-3 loss to Wisconsin.  After that LSU loss, some folks swore something like that would never happen again and the Canes would rise again.  Since that Peach Bowl loss, the Canes are 2-8 in their last 10 bowl games.  It is beyond me how a team in the midst of such a hs football hotbed can struggle like this. 

     

    While recruiting is very important, as Deerfield Beach has shown time and again at the high school level, while it is necessary it is not sufficient. Coaching and the overall culture that permeates the program are just as important as the right talent!

  10. Merry Christmas everyone

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    19 minutes ago, OldSchoolLion said:

    Sing along please....

    "All I want for Christmas is a 5-star transfer, a 5-star transfer, a 5-star transfer.  All I want for Christmas is a 5-star transfer, so I can win a state championship!"

    I would be satisfied with one four star and two three stars! Could work wonders with that:D

  11. Congrats to Brian Maurer of West Port

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    32 minutes ago, OldSchoolLion said:

    Brian played all 4 of his high school years at West Port High in Ocala, a team that went 11-28 over that time frame, including a 2-8 season this past one.  He is one of a rare breed of FL hs qb's to land a Power 5 scholarship.  Tennessee thought him good enough to come courting.  So much for needing to play for a big-name program to land a big-time scholarship.  If you are that good, they will find you.  This man showed a lot of character sticking with his team members rather than bailing out to boost his stats.   

     

    You are right. He could have gone to Vanguard or North Marion, or maybe one of the Gainesville schools. Kudos to him!

  12. Texas 6A Title Game Decided by Hail Mary-Video

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    2 hours ago, OldSchoolLion said:

    If you haven't already seen it, undefeated North Shore and Duncanville met for the 6A Div 1 title in front of almost 50,000 fans.  We have about that many at our state championships, right?:rolleyes:

    https://www.foxsports.com/southwest/video/1405645379549

    50,000 for all our games combined would be great attendance! Not sure we ever got to that number even when attendance was much better than recently.

  13. 23 Teams with 10 or Fewer Wins over the Past 5 Seasons

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    Just now, OldSchoolLion said:

    We talk so much about individual player transfers, Darter.  I sometimes wonder if other things like rezoning have just as much, if not more of an impact from a big picture perspective.  ...or poor planning, ie news schools opening up and quickly maxing out, forcing them to play in 7A/8A as brand new programs.  Without having details, such as you provided, one can draw the wrong conclusions about why a program has fallen off.  Some of these things are really outside the control of players and coaches.    

    All of the above affect a program's ability to be good. Also, not having an administration that is interested in sports leads kids to either transfer elsewhere or just not suit up at all. Both Evans and Winter Springs have suffered to a degree from both sets of circumstances. They both need a catalyst to get back on track. 

  14. 23 Teams with 10 or Fewer Wins over the Past 5 Seasons

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    It is sad to see Evans and Winter Springs on the list. Both of these programs have been good in the past. Evans back in the 1990s and the first two years of the new century were actually one of the best teams in the Orlando area. Winter Springs have made the playoffs and won playoff games. WS was hurt, to some extent, by rezoning due to new schools and the loss of what had been a good staff. Evans was hurt (and continues to be), by the loss of talent to other schools in West Orange County. This has been exacerbated by unfriendly school administrations to sports and by, up to the last two years, strength in the soccer program (the large Caribbean influence at the school).

    Contrast the above two with: Cypress Creek, Celebration, Colonial, Poinciana, etc, which have never been really good.   

  16. What Is Normal for a First Season of HS Football?

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    6 hours ago, OldSchoolLion said:

    Windermere High played its first season of football.  They finished the season 0-10, and were outscored by opponents 419-7.  Their only offensive output all season was one field goal.  Running clocks were the norm.

    Based on its administration (former APK) and location, I think Windermere will be fine in two to four years. Not saying they will begin making deep playoff runs at that point but should start accumulating winning seasons. 

  19. Should These Schools Be Moved in Classification? Does This Make Sense to You?

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    2 hours ago, 181pl said:

    I disagree. If you have 2K male students, roughly, based on your example, you should be able to pull in a solid varsity and jv. Ethnicity shouldn't have much to do with it.That coach must able to recruit his own hallways and having a solid program in place for teaching football and physical training of the athlete. I'm not saying that team will consistently, if ever, be state level. But a good, motivated coach can turn a 2K male population into a solid program. 

    The real reason a lot of bigger schools don't field competitive teams is coaching and culture. This can be reversed, but it takes a ton of work and buy in. Also, boosters and community support stepping up to fill gaps where county budgets can't for the things the team needs also helps. But the bigger the school, the more potential parents and boosters there are to help.

    Try explaining to me, then, why Cypress Creek, which has been consistently been one of the largest public schools in Orlando, has never been able to field a competitive football team. The same could be said for Varela or Coral Reef in Miami-Dade. Not sure about the two Dade teams, but I know that Cypress Creek has had a decent head coach from time to time. 

  20. Should These Schools Be Moved in Classification? Does This Make Sense to You?

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    8 minutes ago, OldSchoolLion said:

    Hagerty..things were looking promising after making the 7A playoffs for the 3rd time in 4 years.  That might be the last time for a while.  Now they are in a very tough 8A Region 1, sharing the district with Winter Park and likely having to fight for a wilcard spot with teams like West Orange, Bartram Trail and Pal Coast. 

    Hagerty actually has a chance. The new HBC was formerly at Oviedo (Hagerty was opened to relieve Oviedo). I could actually see them being competitive in the district with Winter Park. It would not be too much of a stretch. 

  21. Should These Schools Be Moved in Classification? Does This Make Sense to You?

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    6 minutes ago, OldSchoolLion said:

    Celebration...just how bad are they?  This season they lost 54-14 to a 2-7 Windermere team.  Despite playing in a relatively weak, 7-team district, they were outscored 422-126 by opponents this season.  Only 4 teams in 7A gave up more points. 

    Very good at soccer. In football, they did have a coach a few years ago, who seemed to be taking them down the right path. Then that ended and they were back to square one ... Celebration is kind of a Disney creation, an upper middle class community. I don't necessarily think the parents want Johnny to get banged up playing football. 

  22. Should These Schools Be Moved in Classification? Does This Make Sense to You?

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    1 minute ago, OldSchoolLion said:

    If it's a moot point(and I don't necessarily disagree), it forces a a series of new questions.  Does the use of student population still make sense in terms of segregating teams to level the playing field?  Why do we need so many classes if there is such minimal difference in talent levels between the classes?    What is having separate classes really accomplishing if the talent is comparable across classes?  There used to be prestige in winning the biggest class in FL.  Maybe not so much anymore.

    If the purpose of having separate classes is to level the playing field, maybe we need a different system to do so.

     

    Gatorman UF came up with an interesting promotion/demotion system a few years back that made a lot more sense to me if the true purpose was to level the playing field. The large number of Dade 8a and 7a schools bailing for independent status this go around is testimony to the fact that size does not provide a solution to lack of talent. Cypress Creek and a few other schools in Orlando back this point up.

    A school with 4,000+ kids may be totally unable to field a competitive football team based on a variety of factors of which ethnicity and culture, as well as innate talent, are only two of the variables. 

  23. Should These Schools Be Moved in Classification? Does This Make Sense to You?

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    1 hour ago, OldSchoolLion said:

    Below are 17 "newer" FL high schools that are being moved up in classification.  6 of the them made the playoffs this past season(these are bolded).  A couple have had very good success, ie Bartram Trail and Ponte Vedra.  Some seem to be in the early stages of gaining momentum, ie West Broward, Oakleaf, East Ridge, South Lake, Lehigh, Hagerty, Sunlake and Mitchell.  Others have programs that have never really taken off, ie West Port, Ocoee, Celebration, and Fivay.  Windermere has struggled in its first 2 seasons of play and is already being moved up in class.  Then we have schools that have had very good success of late in their respective classes, ie Columbia, Wekiva, Manatee, Atlantic, Southridge, etc, that are being moved down in class. 

    ...some philosophical questions.  Would love to hear your opinions!  Not that there are many of you who are opinionated.:rolleyes:

    If a school has been struggling in its existing class(and, in some cases, even lower classes), does it make sense to move it up in class, where theoretically it could face even tougher competition?

    If a school is just starting to taste some success in its existing class(after, in some cases, years to get such momentum), should that momentum be compromised by moving the school up in class?

    If a school has proven itself capable of consistently competing for state titles in a class, should it be moved down in class? 

    It's not clear to me that there is any difference among the four highest classes when it comes to the overall quality of the football. So this may render the topic moot. For example, if we picked the four highest class state champions this year (or any other recent year for that matter) and runners up, eight teams in all, and put them in a playoff bracket, it is not at all clear to me that the finalist would be correlated by current classification.

    I do agree that generally, not always, the three smallest classes are somewhat behind the bigger schools. 4a, I am not sure about. I think it varies from year to year. 

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