OldSchoolLion

Last year seemed to be a breakthrough year for them, winning in the playoffs. They lost to Dwyer in OT during the regular season and blew the game in regulation with a missed PAT in the last minute. They gave Atlantic all they wanted in 2 games, losing by 7 pts each game. I am probably forgetting someone, but it did not seem like they had any big-name talent...nor in prior seasons. If so, they showed the ability to win with good team play and without over-reliance on transfers. Park Vista has one of the most seasoned coaches in south Florida. Brian Dodds has been coaching for 30 years, including the past 11 seasons at Park Vista. So, he has had a lot of time to build a foundation. It seems like they have made slow, steady progress over the years building up to last year (versus flash-in-the-pan). Interested in anyone's thought on them this year.

Can't you ask Siri.

If you could put together a list of all the Duval coaches and how long each has been at their present school, that would be cool.

Not Duval! There are some coaches there with good tenure at their schools Trinity Christian-Verlon Dorminey-27 seasons-7 state titles Marty Lee-First Coast-21 seasons-1 final appearance Raines-Deran Wiley-8 seasons-1 state title University Christian-David Penland-8 seasons-3 state titles

Has Hardee been having similar challenges?

He is one of the beter qb's in south FL and has already gotten good exposure. Even if he went to an "average" high school, am not sure he would be losing out on any offers he would not get otherwise. With his stature/talents, even if he got a Power 5 offer going to a Dwyer, seems as if the chance of him starting at one of those schools would be slim.

Below are the top 10 Florida counties in order of population size. Which county has the least number of tenured(coaches 8 years or more at a school, which I randomly defined) coaches per capita? This county has a lot of coaching turnover. Which county would be #2 on the list of counties with low coaching tenure per capita? Miami-Dade Broward Palm Beach Hillsborough Orange Pinellas Duval Lee Polk Brevard

Forgive me if this has already been reported, but I searched the forum and could not find anything. This program appeared in a state final 20 years ago and really showed some promise. After a dropoff, they looked to be back on track earlier this decade, but things have obviously deteriorated again. https://usatodayhss.com/2018/florida-football-coach-steps-down-a-week-before-fall-camp

Thanks for sharing that. Looks like Hallandale won that game 34-26. Cedar Grove(AAA in GA) has not historically been a strong team, so did not search their records. Hallandale was very strong that year(ranked top 20 FL per Mexpreps), playing Aquinas tight and beating AHP. Hallandale has 1350 students and Cedar Grove 1000, so the schools are similar in size. Cedar Grove (#53 in GA) was 11-2-1 that year. It's yet another example of two "good" teams(neither amongst the elite from their respective metro areas then) from each state playing each other and being competitive. If they played this past season, Hallandale likely would have gotten beaten. They are declining, while Cedar Grove is becoming a powerhouse. Jadon Haselwood, ranked #1WR in the country, plays for them.

Gainesville will experience an extraordinary growth spurt over the next 50 years and will absorb Lake City. ColumbiaFan III will grow up a rabid Gainesville hs football fan. When IMG North opens, Gramps(ColumbiaFan) will attempt to set fire to it, and will be locked away, where he will drive people crazy incessantly talking about Columbia's state title from 100 years ago.

I think that is one disadvantage kids in certain parts of Florida where they don't have much agriculture. It's a different kind of strength than what you build in a weightroom, isn't it?. We joke about the big farm boys from the Midwest, but some of those boys got strong without ever touching a weight.

In 1965, St Thomas Aquinas was 3-6 and was shut out in 5 of those games, including shutout losses to Northeast and Jupiter. They only scored a TD in the 3 games they won. Nobody would have dreamed they would be a national power one day. So, who knows what things will be like when you young guys have gray hair. Things will probably look very different than today. If your team is winning big now, enjoy it while it lasts!

Before the Miami Dolphins existed and before the Miami Hurricanes were chasing national titles, Miami High was the city's first true football dynasty. The Stingarees were one of three city high schools, along with Miami Edison and Miami Jackson, to use the Orange Bowl as its home field when the stadium opened in 1937. From 1929 to 1965, Miami High won countless state titles and were crowned mythical national champions in 1942, 1943, 1960 and 1965. In their heyday, the Stingarees drew huge crowds of 30,000 to 40,000 fans in the big rivalry games against against Edison, Jackson and Coral Gables. Between 1925 and 1951, Miami High never lost a game to a Miami-Dade County school. By the late 1960s, Miami High had gone from an all-white high school in segregated Miami to a predominantly hispanic student body, many of whom did not grow up with American football. The program started to decline after 1965. The Coral Gables teams of Nick Kotys became the top national power. Miami High played Coral Gables on November 11th, 1965 for the right to play in the state final. Coral Gables was ranked first and Miami was ranked second in the state. Coral Gables High was the two time defending state champions and was riding a 28-game win streak. Miami High ended the streak with a 14 – 7 victory. The attendance in the Orange Bowl that evening was a state record for a high school football game. The estimates were anywhere between 47,000 – 50,000 people. It has been said that Joe Robbie pointed to the attendance at this game to help justify bringing an AFL team to play at the Orange Bowl in Miami. The Dolphins were awarded to Miami and played their inaugural season in 1966. Miami High, who wore midnight blue uniforms back then, played Melbourne High in the Orange Bowl for the 1965 2A title. Highlights of the game, won by the Stingarees under head coach Bobby Carlton, are below. Melbourne High, returned to south Florida the following year and defeated Fort Lauderdale High to win the 2A title.

2018 Nominees from Florida Carl Jackson-Alabama St--OL(All-SWAC First Team) Graduated from Miami Jackson James Gardner-Miami University(OH)-WR(All-MAC First Team and Team MVP) Graduated from Fort Lauderdale High Frederick Jones-Florida St-DT(ACC Academic Honor Roll) Graduated from Miami Central The Allstate AFCA Good Works Team has been one of the most esteemed honors in college football for more than 25 years. The student-athletes who are nominated for this award not only demonstrate a unique dedication to community service and desire to make a positive impact on the lives around them, but they also show tremendous perseverance as well as the ability to overcome personal struggles and come out victorious against all odds. The college football players who have been nominated make it a priority to find time in their busy schedules to volunteer in meaningful ways. Of the nominees, many players dedicate time to reading, mentoring and playing sports with disadvantaged children when they are not in the classroom or on the field. Other players make frequent visits to hospitals to spend one-on-one time with ill patients. One student-athlete even went as far as donating bone marrow in order to save the life of a child in need.

Top 10 transfers in US per Maxpreps. Except for IMG, note how all are from some of the biggest metro areas in the country. Nobody from rural areas. http://www.maxpreps.com/news/Bjy1-iQ3x0qZRxPtiIVQBg/early-contenders--top-10-high-school-football-transfers.htm IMG-1 South FL-2 Baltimore/DC-2 Dallas/Ft Worth-1 Phoenix-1 Los Angeles-3

Hey 954gator, I am sure there was some home cooking. On the list above, there were 11 close games won by Georgia teams. Give those wins to Florida and take them away from Georgia and I still come to the same conclusion. The only thing one can definitively say is that the states are competitive versus each other. It is not my interest to prove who is better than who. It's a ridiculous argument. FL vs GA is not even an apples-to-apples comparison. Florida' population dwarfs that of GA. Florida has 4 major metro areas. Georgia has 1. Outside Atlanta, the Georgia schools have a limited pool of talent from which to draw. Compared to GA, Florida should have many more "great teams." I am amazed GA does as well as it does. The data above makes it evident Georgia teams do not avoid tough FL games. For instance, Stephenson, who is no national power, played Miami Central and American Heritage Plantation in 2014 and 2015. Not many Florida teams pulled that off.

The coach from Charlotte has won an amazing 15 playoff games, but has never made it to a state final. Imagine beating St Thomas Aquinas in a regional final, but getting knocked out in the semis. Talk about some tough luck!

The following teams have not played in at least one state final over the past 25 years: IMG, Melbourne CC, Yulee, and Coconut Creek. I believe all of the other Florida teams listed above have. I don't call a team good enough to make a state final "garbage." ....nor do I call a team with one of the greatest hs rb's of all time "garbage." The intent of the exercise was to include "good" teams...not just great ones.... so that we could have a substantial data set. One could easily say that some of the Georgia teams listed above were not amongst their state's best either. Note that some of the Georgia teams even had losing records, but I still considered them reasonably good programs from a historical perspective. The intent was not to demonstrate which state is better. Even though Georgia has won more games, it does not mean Georgia football is better than FL football. The data does clearly demonstrate that both states are competitive when their teams compete. The bottom line is that there have been relatively few games played over the past 15 years between the best of Georgia and the best of Florida. And concerning those "garbage" teams from I-10...they are the ones who helped bring prominence to Florida when national polls started getting serious attention back in the 1980's. Those "garbage" teams were clearly ahead of south and central Florida teams in the playoffs back then. It is now south Florida's time in the sun, but that is no reason to disrespect the part of the state that arguably produced more coaching legends that any other. As you can probably tell, I don't like the word "garbage," especially when referring to teams...made up of kids and coaches who work their butts off.

Of the 50 games listed above, I would say the Georgia team was a strong favorite in 12 of the games...no more. All of the games below involved teams from Dade/Broward/Palm Beach. Except for the Grayson game with Deerfield Beach, the south FL teams would have been favorites. Stephenson and Tucker are solid programs, but not Top 10 Georgia teams. That was actually pretty gutsy of them to schedule the games they did. They were big underdogs. *nationally ranked *Grayson(10-2) beat Deerfield Beach(10-3) 39-14 *American Heritage Plantation(14-0) beat Colquitt County(8-5) 17-14 American Heritage Plantation(9-2) beat Stephenson(10-2) 36-8 *Miami Central(14-1) beat Stephenson(8-4) 21-20 *Booker T Washington(14-0) beat Tucker(9-3) 19-7 *Booker T Washington(14-0) beat *Norcross(13-2) 55-0 Grayson(12-2) beat *Miami Central(12-2) 35-3 Camden County(10-2) beat *Miami Central(14-1) 45-42 *St Thomas Aquinas(15-0) beat Camden County(10-2) 42-28 Northside(10-2) beat Booker T Washington(10-4) 31-7

Where does it state above that South Miami played Charlton County? Under year 2011, it states South Miami lost to Brooks County. And under year 2009, it states Columbia tied Charlton County.

Believe that started around 1968.

The team being described below was Dixie County, and they came to PAL field in Plantation and beat a 9-2-1 St Thomas Aquinas team in the 1971 2A state semis 24-6. Below is what the scouts had to say. “They have a couple of big backs, 6-foot-2, 210-pounders. Along the line they go 190, 190, 170, 180, and 185, which is pretty good size. The ends are both about 185. They are just a big ball club that comes at you. They run most of the time." Can you imagine beating St Thomas at home now with a line that averaged about 185 pounds! Cross City's defense really won that game, intercepting 7 Aquinas passes. It is a bit scary though. We have not evolved that quickly. Some of our young lineman are grossly overweight. No problem until after the football career is over...then it's time to pay the piper.

I saw a picture of what appears to be the accident scene and if he was broken down there, he was in a bad place since there is construction nearby.

Below are the results from 50 games played between 2004 and 2017 in which better teams from Florida and Georgia played each other. This is not a list of all FL vs GA games from this time frame. I did not include games that involved very weak teams from either state. I checked the schedules of 28 of the best Georgia teams to compile these results. The record of each team that season is listed in parentheses after each team name. Teams that were nationally ranked that season have an asterisk before the team name. Florida teams are bolded. Overall, Florida teams won 17 games, lost 32 games, and tied 1 game versus Georgia teams. 22 of those games involved northern Florida vs southern Georgia teams. Northern Florida teams won 6, lost 15, and tied 1 of those games versus southern Georgia teams. Florida teams won 8 games and lost 12 games versus Atlanta-area teams. Georgia teams are 2-6 versus nationally ranked teams from Florida. Florida teams are 2-4 versus nationally ranked teams from Georgia. 2017 Buford(11-2) beat Melbourne CC(8-4) 24-17 *Grayson(10-2) beat Deerfield Beach(10-3) 39-14 Cartersville(11-1) beat Bartram Trail(11-4) 52-45 2016 *American Heritage Plantation(14-0) beat Colquitt County(8-5) 17-14 *IMG(11-0) beat *Grayson(14-1) 26-7 Marist(7-4) beat Belen Jesuit(7-4) 27-0 Venice(12-1) beat Camden County(2-7) 46-17 2015 *Colquitt County(15-0) beat Plant(9-3) 42-8 American Heritage Plantation(9-2) beat Stephenson(10-2) 36-8 Tucker(8-4) beat Godby(3-6) 51-38 Coconut Creek(6-4) beat Marist(10-3) 41-21 Brooks County(10-3) beat Madison County(9-4) 27-0 Camden County(10-2) beat Lincoln(6-7) 48-13 2014 Lowndes(6-4) beat Plant(11-2) 20-14 *Miami Central(14-1) beat Stephenson(8-4) 21-20 *Booker T Washington(14-0) beat Tucker(9-3) 19-7 Marist(11-2) beat Godby(12-3) 17-14 *Buford(15-0) beat *Trinity Christian(12-2) 17-0 Madison County(11-4) beat Brooks County(11-4) 29-22 Camden County(5-5) beat Lincoln(8-3) 49-27 2013 *Booker T Washington(14-0) beat *Norcross(13-2) 55-0 Lincoln(7-5) beat S Gwinnett(5-6) 34-21 Camden County(10-2) beat Baker County(8-3) 38-8 2012 Grayson(12-2) beat *Miami Central(12-2) 35-3 Camden County(11-2) beat Vanguard(7-5) 53-7 2011 *Grayson(15-0) beat Edgewater(7-4) 49-21 Colquitt County(11-3) beat Madison County(12-2) 20-19 Lowndes(8-4) beat Leon(5-5) 39-22 Valdosta(7-3) beat Lincoln(9-2) 10-7 Buford(14-1) beat Yulee(8-4) 49-7 Note:Derrick Henry was at Yulee then. N Gwinnett(11-2) beat St Augustine(10-2) 35-17 Brooks County(13-1) beat Columbia(8-4) 12-0 Brooks County(13-1) beat South Miami(9-3) 54-11 2010 Camden County(10-2) beat *Miami Central(14-1) 45-42 *St Thomas Aquinas(15-0) beat Camden County(10-2) 42-28 Valdosta(11-2) beat Lincoln(10-5) 35-31 Lowndes(10-3) beat Leon(5-5) 53-7 Columbia(8-4) beat Brooks County(7-6) 35-13 2009 Columbia(8-3-1) tied Charlton County(11-1-1) 48-48 2008 Northside(10-2) beat Booker T Washington(10-4) 31-7 Mainland(11-1) beat Central Gwinnett(3-7) 34-14 *Camden County(15-0) beat Columbia(4-6) 31-0 2007 Valdosta(9-3) beat Lincoln(10-2) 21-17 Coffee County(11-3) beat Madison County(13-1) 20-19 2006 Lincoln(9-4) beat Valdosta(1-9) 24-21 Coffee County(10-3) beat Madison County(10-3) 17-7 2005 Lincoln(9-2) beat Valdosta(7-5) 20-19 Madison County(11-1) beat Valdosta(7-5) 29-28 2004 Valdosta(8-5) beat Lincoln(7-4) 33-14 Madison County(12-1) beat Valdosta(8-5) 15-7

Nolebull...sorry for the late response but was just reviewing this post and came across. Concerning Lowndes, and am sure ColumbiaFan will concur, Lowndes has not been the same team they were last decade. They have not been a national caliber team. The Valdosta area has grown a fair bit and with Colquitt County making big strides, talent in the area has likely gotten diluted. Lowndes can make a national-caliber schedule within their state if they choose. In recent years, they have struggled to beat some of the better teams in Georgia. IMO, they have no business taking on top-flight FL competition if they cannot beat their own neighbors. That is not being cowardly..it is being realistic. I would say the exact same for a FL team. Concerning Georgia "avoiding top teams like the plague"....relatively speaking, Georgia teams have historically played few games against teams from non-neighboring states. Let's not forget, the level of OOS games we see today is a relatively new phenomenon. Some states are just coming around and doing more of it. Florida is certainly amongst the leaders in OOS games. It is great in one sense, but costly in another. We have FL teams flying to the West Coast when they have nationally ranked teams one hour or less away who they have never played. Screw giving the Florida fans a treat with a classic FLvsFL matchup. We could have incredible matchups in Florida without ever playing an OOS game.