Jambun82
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8 hours ago, cribboy305 said:
i wonder how easy it is to get ref job. I may inquire, Gotta be the change you want to see in the world
It is not very hard at all. Are you going to show the officials all the errors of their ways, cribboy305?
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22 hours ago, JDHoss said:
We were there tonight. Tons of penalties. I'd guess well over 200 yards combined. Were there questionable calls? Probably. I'd need to watch the complete game on film before commenting one way or the other. We went to Davie on Thursday night to watch Milton, GA v Western and there were a ton of penalties called there too. In keeping up with a game online back in VA tonight it was the same story with the penalties. Early season + high school players often = lots of penalties. Otherwise, it was a great game. I thought NW should have stuck with the backup QB. He gave the Bulls offense an added dimension with his feet.
What makes you qualified to critique or rate the officiating?
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On 8/25/2023 at 9:55 PM, cribboy305 said:
vero refs going to ruth chris tonight
How do you know?
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On 8/25/2023 at 8:07 PM, cribboy305 said:
Vero refs are something else I see. Just called an invincible block in the back. Literally no one was touched. I see yall a lil like lakeland but kno that it wont save yall. Cheaters never win
What is an "invincible block in the back?"
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21 hours ago, dntworryboutit said:
This game was so trash it felt rigged 2 pick 6’s that got taken away. Refs throwing flags for no reason . The whole game felt payed for I don’t care. Horrible
What are you talking about?
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7 hours ago, ExplorerHomer2 said:
My recap:
Quarter 1
TD called back on Vero 1st series was legit - definitely motion / illegal shift on Vero
Holding call on MNW at 7:46 on 2nd drive looked legit - moved Vero to MNW 11
A few obvious jumps/offsides on Vero - 3 in one possession
Close call around 6 min mark on a potential fumble ruled as incomplete pass - looked like right decision.Lots of jumps overall, nothing seemed particularly out of order or one sided.
One questionable no-call PI on MNW around 5min mark. Looked like interference to me and from the commentators.
Running into the kicker call on Bulls was legit. Defensive holding on Bulls soon after inconclusive due to being out of frame. Was 2nd defensive holding call on MNW DBs
Commentators seemed to think Bulls' DLine was leaning into neutral zone and not called
Vero Final Drive, late hit called against Bulls was legit - put Vero at the 3 and led to 1st score.
No overtly problematic calls Q1 as far as video showed. Some missed/uneven calls but nothing that would change the 6-0 outcome of the quarter. I can't tell about the two sideline warnings on MNW because both were out of frame.
Quarter 2
Personal foul against Vero for pulling helmet off Bull on a tackle WAS questionable. This call allowed MNW possession for a long drive that might have ended in a punt but ended in a score. Subsequent delay of game and illegal formation calls against bulls looked legit.
1st and goal for Bulls and sideline warning becomes penalty. Obviously this is third call against Bulls. Assume it was legit, but out of frame. Bulls score anyway: Bulls 7, Indians 6
Next possession, unsportsmanlike conduct called on MNW, late flag. No one seemed to know who it was on.
End of that series, pooch kick returned by Bulls for TD. Same offiicial throws flag just prior to returner entering endzone. Commentator initially agreed because he saw Vero player fall in front of MNW player at the spot of the flag - called it a "silly foul" to block the guy in the back like that after the returner had clearly beaten him.
Slow motion clearly showed that wasn't a block in the back. So 2nd commentator seemed to pivot in his comment away from this ruling and said, "must have been an illegal block" . So clearly commentators missed it, camera didn't show it. So the play was either out of frame (irrelevant to the play) or potentially a bad call.
Holding call on MNW was obvious
False start call on MNW punt actually helped them pinning Vero inside own 10.
Holding call at 3min mark on Vero legit according to commentators.
Roughing the passer on MNW QB was obvious. officials debated ball placement because it was a completion. Ball eventually placed correctly. Next play, Bulls score with 7 seconds left.
two separate delay of game calls on both sides evened out
Halftime: Bulls 13, Indians 6
3rd quarter
Offsides called on Vero to start kickoff looked right (camera was zoomed in, but you could see helmet on botom of screen looked past line, but commentators complained).
1st series, Bulls jump, legit
MNW illegal procedure call hard to tell.
Personal foul (late hit) on Vero looked legit. Set up MNW inside Vero red zone
Bulls TD at 9:45 - flag thrown for holding #79 for MNW did indeed look to hold, saw Vero Dlineman #76 complain, had left arm under leg and turned sideways. So good call, even though QB had already rolled out.
MNW flagged for intentional grounding. Very late call. Momentum shifts back to Vero at this point.
MNW punt: Block in back on Vero Beach was apparent on the video, but commentators initially called confidently that MNW had illegal block. Didn't see it.
Very late flag (personal foul) against MNW - commentators seemed to be confused as to what it was for. Speculated that it was sideline warning again.
Vero commentator questioned where official placed ball after forward momentum by Bulls QB, but replay showed placement was correct.
Just prior to Vero score, MNW charged with 2 consecutive 12-men on the field calls. Legit. Just bad coaching there. Personal foul on Bulls during Vero TD is earned. Ejection because it was helmet to helmet and QB was already in end zone by 5 yards. Game tied at 13 w 3 min left in quarter
Last 20 seconds MNW called on some defensive holding call that was unidentifiable by both the commentators and the camera.
4th quarter
1st series, #5 MNW safety called for personal foul with late flag. questionable. safety was falling, helmets contacted, but could have easily been a no call.
Next play defensive PI on Bulls, brings Indians to 1st and goal inside the Bulls 10. good call.
Bulls with 103 yard pick 6 TD. Holding call negates it. No camera angle on it. Commentators didn't see it either. Block was clearly no where near the play. Camera showed Bulls DB got a jump and beat all but two of his blockers. So block, if legit, was out of the play. I can see some concern here.
A couple plays later, Bulls false start. Close but good call.
Next play, big TD called back on Bulls 3 and 14. Flag was thrown earlier in backfield on screen play. Illegal procedure. Didn't see it, but probably legit. You can see frustration kicking in on Bull's side.
Penalty #30 on Bulls pins them inside their own 5.
Punt return for Vero flagged twice: illegal block on Vero, late hit on Bulls. 1st call good, late hit ok, commentator aid hit was 5 yards out of bounds, but camera showed it was closer than that and momentum forced. Could have been a no call. On same play, it appeared that the Vero receiver's knee touched the turf at the point of reception. Referees took a while to make the call. Penalties should have been of setting.
eventually, zebras rule "knee was down" - then two dead ball fouls followed. Took several minutes to resume play.
Big run by Vero, holding call made. No evident on camera. Veros still maintain drive.
Bulls called for CB lining up in neutral zone
Bulled flagged late for Personal Foul in endzone (facemask). Could not see on camera but official was right there. Eventually called of setting penalties. Serious lack of discipline. Before next play, MNW calls timeout.
3rd and 1 inside the 5, MNW gets flagged for their THIRD 12-men on the field call. No excuses here. Vero 1st down at the Bulls 3 yard line. Two plays inside of the 3 and no score. Commentators are beside themselves. TD on 3rd down. Missed PAT with 2:25 in game
ensuing kickoff, obvious fair catch violation on Vero.
Bulls miss last best chance to win with open dropped ball by #2. Would have been TD.
Before next snap, MNW coaches called for being on field. Not visible but probably legit. - It was the 4th overall. Officials' decision took far too long to call.
Final 19-13
Overall, one score negated for Indians, 4 called back for Bulls. 2 of them were questionable, 2 weren't. Clearly, MNW is undiciplined, both on the field and on the sideline. But also clear, MNW has more talent overall. If they can get some discipline they are still looking as a contender come playoff time.
What makes you qualified to critique and rate the officiating, ExplorerHomer2?
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21 hours ago, PinellasFB said:
People have too high of expectations for HS refs. They aren't full time refs and it's just a side hustle so you shouldn't expect NFL level refs (which everyone seems to hate on anyway, ironically). The refs actually see more than you think and don't call half the stuff they could call to keep the game moving, especially in the area of holding. When I work the chains I'm always talking to the side judge and many times they are cool and tell me things they see and let go. This gave me a new appreciation for their tough job.
Now the only time I get ticked at the refs is when they pick on one team for whatever reason that may be. Take for instance a game I attended tonight, they called a puzzling unsportsmanlike conduct penalty for a DB making the incomplete signal on one team but didn't call it on the other team when they did it. They also called 4 other unsportsmanlike conduct calls on the same team with zero called on the other team. One sided. I just want consistency in their calls.
Officials are not required or expected to "even out penalties."
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23 hours ago, Longtime Observer said:
Believe it or not, and despite being banned for about a year effectively for criticizing officiating, I do generally despise the incessant picking on officials. What I wish would happen is for officials to observe the college and pro games officiating and try to use similar judgment. You'll see way more ticky tack holding calls in high school than the other levels. The other area they can improve is on the speed with which they settle calls. We see way too many, and way too long, officiating delays in high school.
For the record, I can't find fault with the officiating in the Norland-Lakeland game.
High School Football is a different game than Pro or College Football.
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23 hours ago, DarterBlue2 said:
The game video is on YouTube with replays of the highlights.
Go watch the game yourself and report back to me.
Do you think that you are my Supervisor now?
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The tired and old "tradition" of posters to the message board critiquing and commenting on the officiating has reared its ugly head already in week 1. Anybody who posts on a game that he/she attended or watched, and makes comments such as "the refs sucked" or "the refs cheated one team out of a win" should have the common decency to expand on these "observations" when asked to. If not, then please refrain from commenting on the officiating at all.
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3 minutes ago, Vero Indian said:
I'll let u talk to other Vero fans about it or I'll let them 305 boys tell ya
Of course that is your answer. That tells me all that I need to know.
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14 minutes ago, Vero Indian said:
Called back FOUR TDS on Northwestern, every play that Northwestern had it was a penalty thrown......
That did NOT answer my question.
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7 minutes ago, cribboy305 said:
mannn terrible game. I respect your honesty fam, I do admit the refs sucked on both sides but damn was this one sided ball game when it came to flags on big plays or momentum shifting plays. every single time.
Provide some examples please.
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7 minutes ago, DarterBlue2 said:
He was probably the white hat in the game.
We don't use the term "White Hat" anymore, it is to be known strictly as the Referee from now on.
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7 minutes ago, Vero Indian said:
As a Vero fan I'm embarrassed, penalties thrown on Northwestern for nothing smh, Northwestern had four tds called back, I never heard of that before
Cribboy305 I apologize bruh, we owe yall a trip at the mecca
What are you talking about?
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12 hours ago, Perspective said:
I gotta say, from my perspective, the situations at Viera and Land O Lakes are very different. Per the linked article, the LOL situation involved a locker room fight between two freshman players on the JV team. The article also mentioned that some of the players in the locker room whipped out their phones and started recording the fight. Wow, there's a shocker.
Per the article: "On Tuesday, the district chose to cancel all games and practices indefinitely while they investigate the situation, meaning the JV and varsity's season kick off games against River Ridge High School this week, won't be happening." That, in my opinion, is an overreaction by the District. Unless there is significantly more to this story, this matter should have been handled internally by the coaches -- suspending the two JV players involved in the fight, if necessary, and perhaps a "team conditioning penalty" for stupidity (taking/sharing the videos). Suspending varsity activities (causing the cancellation of a game) is way too excessive.
I applaud those parents of Land O'Lakes High School Football players, and the players themselves, for standing up and letting their voices be heard to the Pasco County School Board. These Public School Taxpayer-Supported Public Servants need to be reminded who they work for. I have been told that Viera's football team is now practicing, so that is a step in the right direction.
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1 hour ago, Hwy17 said:
I somewhat disagree. There is a lesson to be learned here. 1. Life isn't always fair; 2. Your actions effects others for good or bad; 3. Even if not involved, if you knew and said or did nothing you are complicit; 4. This is supposed to be a team and if one fails or does wrong the whole team did. The military has this philosophy and for good reason. Ultimately sports like football should be about teaching life lessons, not the going got hard so time to bail out.
Sorry, I don't mean to preach but I believe Viera's admin did the right thing here given the circumstances.
The Viera Admin. did not make this decision, the Brevard County School Board did.
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8 hours ago, PinellasFB said:
I completely disagree with this but it is a separate topic. In this case, innocent kids should have the right to transfer if their season is cancelled but the smarter thing to do is to not cancel the season.
I consider them linked, PinellasFB.
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7 hours ago, Perspective said:
The biggest problem I see right now is the time factor. According to the various articles, the Brevard County Sheriff's Office has opened an investigation. Such investigations rarely are completed in short order (there's that whole "due process" thing). But I suspect football could continue while that investigation is taking place.
However, the Superintendent of the Brevard County School Board "temporarily suspended all football operations" at Viera. That suggests to me that the school board will be conducting some sort of review and possibly will have to have a meeting before football operations can resume. How long will this take? How much practice time can a team afford to miss? Once they receive the green light to start up again, assuming the light does indeed turn green, how many practices would they need to have before a game could be played?
Viera is supposed to play South Fork this Friday night, followed by Satellite and Rockledge. Viera's not scheduled to play their first district game until 9/29. It wouldn't surprise me if the school board investigation takes a few weeks and Viera is forced to forfeit their first three games. But, if they can get back on the field in time for district play, at least the season will be salvaged for those players who are allowed to continue playing.
That is still not good enough in my view. It is some timing that proposed property tax bills have been mailed out in Volusia County, that makes it always a great time to remember just who these public school employees work for and who the real bosses are. Thankfully, Florida is a state that holds these taxpayer-funded public servants accountable.
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9 hours ago, Longtime Observer said:
Holding calls are often highly subjective. They are also called MUCH more frequently at the high school level compared to college and the pros. It's unclear how much of that is a result of officials at the higher levels trying to make the game more fan and TV friendly by not having so many stoppages for penalties. Certainly, the worst part of watching high school games-by far!- is all of the stoppages and delays caused by officials. If you watch the college and pro versions, you can often see plays that would be called holding by officials at the high school level who are less qualified. My guess is that we have a lot of small-minded officials who couldn't care less about the fans viewing experience, and just want to be the center of attention by stopping the game frequently.
In around the 15 years of visiting and reading message board posts about Florida High School Football, this is the absolute worst post that I have ever read by far. The ABSOLUTE WORST!
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2 hours ago, LongtimeVero said:
Watched many a game at South County Stadium, and surprised at the lack of holding calls that are never made against Treasure Coast. Happens to Vero and it happened to Apopka too...both teams have been strong enough to overcome the lack of calls. Plenty of phantom calls also...
What makes you convinced that holding fouls are not being penalized, but occurring on any particular play? Do you have specific examples? Also, could you explain what "phantom calls" you believe are being penalized, but not occurring?
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8 hours ago, SportsFan said:
Some areas were declining significantly longer than that even at long time successful programs
SportsFan, you and I both know that you are 100% correct. However, it is hard for some people to see this with their preconceived notions.
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12 hours ago, PinellasFB said:
I just hate punishing an entire team and school for a few players acts. If it was coercion, then suspend the violators but not the whole team.
You could just imagine being a player who is completely innocent, now being punished with no games to play though no fault of their own. If I was a parent of such a player, I would make my voice heard in that meeting that is coming up. This is why unlimited transfers for players for any reason at all, not questions asked, nobody else'e business is the RIGHT idea for Florida High School Football.
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5 hours ago, SportsFan said:
Crowds have been declining for decades even before the transfer rules
I agree with this SportsFan. This has been a reality of Florida High School Football for at least the last 25 years. "Transfer rules" have nothing to do with lack of attendance at games at all.
Vero cheated Northwestern
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Provide some examples, please.