Floridaatlantic1
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Just use the old playoff rankings system Florida used when they did 1/3 win %, 1/3 opponents win %, and opponents opponents win % and dump the secret sauce recipe Maxprepos rankings and even more secret FHSAA version of the Maxpreps secret sauce rankings. That idiot ranking system screwed Florida teams who were undefeated over St. Joe beaten team for natty the one year.
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On 4/18/2024 at 7:47 PM, THAT S--T WAS FUNNY said:
Guess who was an assistant coach on that staff at Winter Park. Heres a few hints...He runs the 7 on 7 team 24K. He left Winter Park last year and took the Head job at Leesburg. He then left Leesburg after 1 season and became the associate Head Coach at TFA. Im sure its just a coincidence though.
What a surprise a cheater from one of the worst examples of illegally recruiting scandal that resulted in Nothing happening ends up at another in house scandal. He better watch out, that wrist slap he got at Winter Park where nobody had any punishment whatsoever really stopped him huh.
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On 4/18/2024 at 1:11 PM, VeniceIndianFan said:
Hey @Floridaatlantic1 . This idea has been floated a couple of times on here and I thought it was interesting. How about:
Instead of Metro/Suburban, public/private, transfer-based classes, or even promotion/demotion, the FHSAA broke the state into only 3 parts. North, Central, and South. Put all of the South Florida juggernauts into their own classification and let them play for 1 championship. Combine the North Florida rural schools and let them play for one championship while Central Florida combines to one class and plays for the final state championship. Playoff seeding will be determined by districts comprised of no fewer than 4 teams as well as SOS. At the end of the season, the winner of the "North" classification, would play the winner of the "Central" classification. Afterward, the winner of that game would play the winner of the "South" classification. And for once, we would have one "true" undisputed state champion.
The plan would get crushed by smaller enrollments in central Florida and still does not address the recruiting issue. The reason a open division with like 16 teams or a promotion and demotion makes the most sense.
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14 hours ago, nolebull813 said:
I am a huge proponent of innocent until proven guilty, and due process with credible evidence. I support a credible investigation, and not some witch hunt by disgruntled folks both near and far from the program. Let’s hope they can get to the bottom of this quickly
The FHSAA has like staff to due investigations and even if its obvious, they slap them on wrist.
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18 hours ago, nolebull813 said:
I dont want any of that. I want the kids and their families to make the best decision for them both academically and athletically. Each case is completely different than the next.
The issue is when the third issue become economic reasons as the new school provides benefits like free rent and other cash. Winter Park did this and stole like 15 players around the area in one year and got busted and NOTHING happened to anyone. Kids missed a few meaningless regular season games and all played on playoffs.
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1 hour ago, Ray Icaza said:
Flawed reasons you sight for leaving when you look at the two players we lost. They both played at OHS their freshmen and sophomore seasons with significant varsity playing time as sophomores and were projected starters for next season. Our school is not "FAILING THEM" academically, athletically or any other measure as we sent about a dozen seniors from the 2023 class to further their education thru football. This list included 5 going to D1 schools like Florida, FSU, UCF, Oklahoma and Rutgers. I ask you specifically like you ask others to tell me exactly why they left since I just debunked your stated reasons. The answer is you have no idea but turning a blind eye to the "Possibility" of rule breaking is wrong. By the way, losing those 2 will not ruin our upcoming season as we have others capable of stepping up in their place and so my concern isn't that.
Nole wants high schools to put together NIL packages and let the highest bidder win and the sad part is the FHSAA wont do anything even if they caught the team red handed recruiting with illegal benefits. Ridiculous
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1 hour ago, KeemD321 said:
When you say D1 scholarship are you just talking P4 or all of D1 in general?
about 1 per cent of players get a full d-1 scholarship.
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5 minutes ago, nolebull813 said:
Imagine if they decided to play with a bunch of kids who would never play a down of athletic competition a day in their life after high school and the school starts becoming a door mat for everyone to beat up on.
And then they get a reputation of being an athletic laughingstock. And enrollment goes down, and they have financial troubles.
But hey, at least they appeased some message board goobers
So cheating is ok as long as you reach your goal. End justifies the means. Quite Machiavellian of you. It this belief that is destroying our country today. As long as you get yours, screw everyone else mentality.
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It seems like a lot of turnover at many positions in that school. New coach needs to rent some apartments for players and give some 100 dollar handshakes to make it in today Florida high school football. Oh wait, no one recruits illegally here in Florida... my bad
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15 hours ago, nolebull813 said:
Link to the broken rule please.
A insider called out the school and coach and lost his job for it but that is not enough evidence that some shady crap was going on. wow, I bet criminals wish you were on the jury because no one would ever be convicted.
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23 hours ago, nolebull813 said:
Some old coaches don’t want to get with the times. No issue there. Things change. The dynamics and landscapes change. You can’t coach kids the same as you could in the 80’s. You couldn’t coach kids in the 80’s the same as you did in the 50’s. Perfectly fine.
You either adjust and update your coaching philosophy or you get annoyed and retire. Again no issue there.
But just because a coach realizes job security can hinge on how well you attract talent, doesn’t mean he lacks morals and values. I call bullshit on that
So let me get this straight. Since you need to cheat to win, All coaches today need to start cheating and illegally recruiting because they know its what needs to happen to compete in todays game. Thats messed up faulty logic. How about punish the rulebreakers in the first place.
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15 hours ago, nolebull813 said:
You could even bump teams up and down based on winning percentage.
After 2 years, teams with a .750 or higher would have to move up a class with the cap still being 125 teams per class. Teams with the highest winning percentage above .750 would move up first and so on.
Same with winning percentages of .250 or worse. They would move down with the worst percentages moving down first
Here are the responses you get when making common sense statements like bump people up and down.
You are punishing winners.
What if the team just has one good class.
No one recruits in the entire state and the FHSAA will crackdown if it actually happened,
The coach has to be better.
Crappy teams will win lower divisions
The simple truth is that only 3% of current teams have any shot of winning a state title and only 1% have any shot of a d-1 scholarship so the rest are playing for the learning experience. Why not make it better for the masses and not make them get pummeled by a recrutied team that cheats.
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11 hours ago, THAT S--T WAS FUNNY said:
Or maybe he left because he values his integrity.
No, all the recruiting cheaters say that no school in the entire state ever illegally recruits. Its just a coincidence that a school gets like 15 transfers in one year. Then that team pummels teams in same division that dont cheat and everyone cries when we say bump them up.
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On 4/12/2024 at 8:18 PM, THAT S--T WAS FUNNY said:
From the Orlando Sentinel....
Scott Grove planned to finish out the high school baseball season as head coach at The First Academy, a prominent Orlando private school he guided to an FHSAA state championship three years ago.
TFA administrators decided against that late Thursday, several hours after Grove notified them of his intention to resign.
“I did not agree with the direction the school was going, with what’s been happening within the athletic department, and I challenged them on that,” Grove said.
“Knowing that we are committing [rules] violations and nothing is being done set off alarms for me,” he said. “In my heart, I knew that since I teach and coach here, it’s like I’m a part of it, and I didn’t want to be a part of it anymore.” In a reply to the Orlando Sentinel on Monday, the Florida High School Athletic Association confirmed that “there have been allegations made against The First Academy athletics department.” FHSAA staffer Ryan Harrison said the school is now afforded its “due process to respond,” per policy.
Numerous sources, including Orlando area coaches, have told the Sentinel that TFA’s football program has violated FHSAA recruiting policy while also helping pay the tuition and costs of some players through a donor who has a son on the team.
New TFA athletic director and head football coach Jeff Conaway denied any wrongdoing when asked by the Sentinel about those allegations in February.
“That’s not factual at all. From my understanding that’s illegal,” Conaway said in regard to tuition payments. He also said his coaches were not recruiting players from other schools.
TFA has added transfer football players from Boone, Lake Minneola, Leesburg, Osceola and Timber Creek in recent months. Per FHSAA policy, impermissible benefits consist of any form of “arrangement, assistance, discount or benefit that is not generally available to other students in the school or their families or that is based in any way on athletic ability.”
That would include school-based financial assistance of any kind “that exceeds the amount for which a student has been approved by an independent financial needs assessment company,” gifts of clothing, equipment, merchandise or other tangible items, and free or reduced-cost transportation for athletes, among other things. Grove is the latest coaching casualty at TFA since long-time football coach Leroy Kinard resigned — according to the school — and was replaced days later last June by Conaway, who previously coached in Arkansas.
Boys basketball coach Chris Mayberry is also out after leading TFA to a 389-179 record in 20 seasons, including five final-four appearances and a 2011 state runner-up finish.
Friday was his last day as a lower-school physical education instructor, the same role Grove had held. Mayberry’s wife, Becky, is still working as a guidance counselor in TFA’s Classical School program.
Mayberry, who briefly left TFA and won back-to-back Texas state titles (2012-13) with 10th-year NBA player Julius Randle on the roster at Prestonwood Christian Academy, holds a 430-202 career record.
He opted not to talk about the specifics behind his departure in a Monday morning phone interview, saying, “It’s kind of a mutual agreement.”
“I’m resigning from TFA. It’s the right time,” Mayberry said. “I’m interested in staying in basketball, but I really don’t know what’s next at this point. We’re doing what’s best for [our] kids right now. All the decisions will be made on what’s best for them.”
The family of six includes Luke, a TFA sophomore basketball player, and seventh-grade daughter Kallie, who plays volleyball at the school.
Girls volleyball coach Joe Casalese was fired midway through the fall season. He said former athletic director Will Cohen, now the assistant head of school for Campus Operations, told him he had “lost the locker room.”
TFA’s roster included Casalese’s daughter Caroline, a junior player. The Royals were in the midst of their best season (18-11) since winning 17 games in 2018-19.
Scott Grove led the Royals as head since the 2014 season. (Ricardo Ramirez Buxeda/ Orlando Sentinel)
Grove said he alerted Cohen about his decision to step down last week before the Royals were scheduled to play a home game against Groveland South Lake.
“I told them that I no longer wanted to be a part of it and that I was finished as the baseball coach, but that I wanted to finish the season for the kids,” Grove said.
Cohen told Grove that it would be his decision whether to permit the long-time coach to finish out the spring. He later informed Grove that he was no longer permitted to be on campus and could not communicate with baseball players and parents.
In an email to parents, Cohen stated, “Following further reflection and prayer, I concluded that it was best for Coach Grove to do what he had indicated and not return as the varsity baseball coach.”
Former Major League Baseball first-round pick Nick Franklin, a Lake Brantley graduate and TFA assistant, was named interim head coach by the school in a social media post.
#RoyalsBaseball Coaching Update: pic.twitter.com/ockRIZn9LR — TFA Athletics (@TFA_Athletics) April 6, 2024
“I’m saddened by the way it turned out,” Grove said. “Half my team thinks I quit on them because that’s how the school portrayed it. They just wanted to control the narrative, and they weren’t extremely truthful about that.”
Grove’s wife, Dr. Shayne Grove, resigned from her position as TFA principal on Friday.
“I’ve lived at the baseball field for the past 28 years of my coaching career because that’s the passion I have for it,” Grove said. “If it’s over, it’s over. I feel I’ve impacted a lot of kids, and that’s why I did it.”
Grove, who led Colonial to a state runner-up finish in 2000 and Timber Creek to the state semifinals in 2010 and 2012, was in his 11th season at TFA.
He went 555-191 overall since 1998 and 219-60 while with the Royals, which included a 2021 FHSAA Class 3A state championship and 2014 USA Baseball National High School Invitational title.
“It’s a shame it has to end this way,” Grove said. “I did everything I could possibly do throughout my coaching career, and at least I can say I’m walking away with dignity and doing things the right way.”
Longtime The First Academy boys basketball coach Chris Mayberry, holding the ball, celebrated his 400th career win in 2022 with his wife, daughters and sons, who all have strong ties to TFA. They are from left: Ansley, wife Becky, Cole, Kallie and Luke. (Courtesy The First Academy).
This article originally appeared on OrlandoSentinel.com. Email staff reporter J.C. Carnahan at jcarnahan@orlandosentinel.com and varsity content editor Buddy Collings at bcollings@orlandosentinel.com.
All the recruiting deniers here should read this article. Of course if they win a million games, TFA with all their new found transfers should never be bumped up to a higher division because that would be punishing winners.
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On 4/13/2024 at 12:29 PM, Longtime Observer said:
ALL programs wish to attract as many good players as possible. Yes, even including your team(s). Some are more appealing, and thus more able to attract players than others.
And some of the schools use other illegal ways to attract players like rent or cash.
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On 3/30/2024 at 8:15 AM, Longtime Observer said:
Antwan Raymond from Clearwater Academy. Ultimately, it's all about who's offering the most money. Venice will offer a nice compensation package, as will others. If you know some of the boosters for top programs, check who follows them on Twitter etc. That will offer an indication of who's been making offers. Mind you, the programs aren't "recruiting", as that is illegal. Instead, they are offering "NIL" deals in the event that it becomes fully legal in the state. Decisions aren't being made until clarity around "NIL" is clear.
I am sooooooo surprised anyone would say teams offer player anything and actually recruit players. The people who support these teams who cheat end up crying when you say they should be moved up to a open division or to 8A, they freak out and say dont punish winners when they really are cheaters.
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All the teams that recruit ILLEGALLY which is against FHSAA rules. All the coaches have to take a special FHSAA video about what not allowed.
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The competition will be fierce in 1A for them. What a freaking joke it is that there is not promotion of cheating teams.
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15 hours ago, Ray Icaza said:
Never blamed teacher unions for lack of coaches pay, simply quoted articles written by others regarding the specific effort currently under way to raise their "Minimum Wage". Those articles speculated that teachers would oppose raises without them being first in line. My position with unions in any public/government employment is crystal clear, so the clown is the one spinning it to fit his narrative.
Your argument is valid in northern states with strong unions and it would be an issue there. Its just not relevant in Florida. One school community schools that have been around forever can support a football team and coach much better like Valdosta and Lee County in GA than the 20 plus schools in Orange county where they add a school once every 2 -5 years. The main reason Florida coaches are running from the state is that veteran teachers get paid squat and teaching makes up most of the pay for a head coach. Throw in football states like GA and Alabama where the head coach may not even teach and get paid more and its easy to see why the moving vans are heading north.
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On 4/4/2024 at 4:35 PM, Longtime Observer said:
Often unspoken in this debate is the matter of fan support. The states paying much better than Florida also have much better/more substantial fan support. This makes paying coaches much higher salaries or stipends possible. The fan support in Florida is underwhelming to say the least. The state doesn't have a single program- anywhere- whose fan support would be considered impressive or even comparable to the top programs in Georgia, etc. Lakeland has long been considered one of the best in this area, but the program has undeniably been weakened by the emergence of private schools Victory and Lakeland Christian. It's not just that some good players pass on playing for Lakeland to instead play at a Christian school, but also families and thus fan support that previously went to Lakeland have ended up at one of the privates. The big dawgs in Miami sometimes get huge crowds out to Traz Powell, but financial contributions to programs are inconsistent at best. The Panhandle is more similar to Georgia and Alabama in culture, but they haven't produced a true state power in decades. The relatively new Sumner program might be one of the best bets to become a true power in this area. But, I'm not sure of the scale of success that is possible for them.
You have a point here on how much more community support helps pay coaches well in other nearby states. There was a reason APK legend Darlington ended up in Alabama. These schools have been around for a long time and everyone went to the school and have ties to it. Most of Florida schools are new and pop up due to north migration to the south and the new families have no ties to the school or community. The whole blaming teacher unions for lack of pay is a clown argument made by others on this board. The union have zero influence or power in Florida pay, curriculum, or policy. It is run 100% by Governor and state legislature. Even when they gave a teacher raise, 85% went to new to new teachers. The state will continue to bleed any experienced teachers as long as they treat them like crap financially. They will come here, get experience and leave.
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10 hours ago, Ray Icaza said:
As a general rule, I am not a big supporter of unions in the public sector in particular. They certainly had a place in the private sector during the industrialization of our nation, but today not so much. I have no first-hand experience with unions representing our local law enforcement or firefighters but my interaction with the teachers union over several years in that profession is the basis of my opinion.
You missed the point of my union post. Teacher unions in strong union states have power. Florida unions have zero. They cant strike and the school board can implement a contract without the unions approval. Florida unions are not preventing any raise in Florida. The state has attacked a straw man here.
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Teacher unions are just like any large organization. They have positives and negatives. The negatives is obvious, they protect horrible workers and resist any kind of real change. However, strong union teacher union states get paid much more than Florida and usually have less students per teacher. Any talk of Florida teacher unions doing anything is a joke. They have zero power. Roughly 60% of teachers are even in the unions in Florida and the number is dropping because they really cant protect workers when everyone is on a yearly contract. The only teachers who have a continuing contract are teachers who have been teaching in same district since 2008 and were already on continuing contract when 2010 law passed. The only thing teacher unions do now is negotiate contract and the school boards can refuse to really pass a contract and implement their own contract after the impasse and mediation fails. Throw in the new state laws decertifying teachers unions when they fall below 50% membership and the removal of taking dues out of checks and the days of any teacher unions are numbered. Of course the new state union laws don't apply to police and firemen because they are political friends of the hacks in Tally and no wonder teachers cant run away from state fast enough once they have experience.
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13 minutes ago, Ray Icaza said:
Hope all your innuendo doesn't imply this is a FLORIDA problem, as everything I read says it is a nationwide problem.
Florida teacher shortage is worse than other states due to low pay and super high rent and housing. The state government BS on education videos and content does not help but first two are main reasons coaches leave to go to Georgia and other states.
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1 hour ago, Ray Icaza said:
Just to be clear, no one was suggesting to base teachers pay on a poll of students. To think that would be "Simple-minded" as you previously suggested. It was simply an observation on the fact that they have that ability to discern, yet the administrator responsible and being compensated for their performance can't or won't. Seems like an oxymoron to me as does the fact most school districts somehow manage to figure out among the thousands of teachers and dozens of separate schools who the "Teacher of the Year" is. The criteria used in this selection process could be used to rate teachers on a three-tier system of above average, average and below average with corresponding compensation. One can come up with all kinds of reasons why it won't work, but it really boils down to the union and teachers themselves. With regards to the coaches pay, I recently read another article in the Orlando Sentinel written by sportswriter Chris Hayes that this proposal isn't being considered in this years legislative agenda but not until next year. He does accurately point out that one of the biggest obstacles to overcome is the teachers themselves not wanting to have said coaches compensated properly for the extra work. He states that they would revolt. Sad when you think about it as for years I sit in the stands to many athletic events for OHS and rarely see teachers there to support one of their students or even their school at these activities. Seems like at too many schools whatever we are doing today certainly isn't working.
some charter schools do use student poll response to rate teachers. Counts like 5% of overall rating. The current VAM score which equal up to 1/2 of teachers evaluation is a joke. Most teachers get their score based on how student do on ELA and math scores even though the teachers dont teach either subject or grade level.
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Only issue with starting playoffs so soon is who would care to go to a game after team is eliminated from the playoffs. An idea that could work is to double the current playoff teams and dump the idiot bye week we have in Florida. That would pretty much include everyone and the top 1 or 2 seeds get a bye if not enough teams in region.