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Let's be clear, most team sports are self-financing today. Assuming we aren't talking about coaches' salaries (which are paid through the school district's general budget as part of the union contract) , but just the ability to fund the sport itself (referees, gate keepers, score clock operators, uniforms, equipment, etc). Most sports even low budget sports are self-financed if you have a coach who can handle the numbers. I have done the budgets for friends who were coaches for soccer, basketball, and softball. We looked at the spending over the previous 3 years. We looked at what their long term goals were (travel camps, non-local tournaments, improved facilities). The District had a formula to estimate how much money it would cost in travel. We knew miscellaneous costs would be about 5% of whatever our total budget was. We budgeted for uniforms, referees, equipment. Heck, we were even able to predict how much money we would make on concessions and gate. After you know how much the total would be, you divide by the number of players, figure out the average cost. You set that as the fundraising goal for each player. We have done it numerous different ways, but I don't think a single team ever went into the red and had to ask the administration for money to bail them. Again, I am not suggesting that the soccer coach should earn as much as the football coach, but I do have a problem when people suggest that a High School football coach should be paid the same as a teacher for just being a coach. They deserve a mighty big stipend, but the hours that they put in don't compare to the hours that a good teacher puts in. The idea that a coach should earn 50K for just being a coach is insulting to the teacher's. Additional, there doesn't seem to be a lack of head football coaches, but there does seem to a lack of teachers. This is why you put more money into teaching, you need the English teacher more than you need the football coach.

The USFL tried to compete, and generally had a good strategy. Spring Football, build your reputation, get some $$$ out of the TV stations, with a very long term goal of forcing the NFL to merge, but not required. But an incompetent real estate mogul from New York City insisted that the USFL had to compete against the NFL in the Fall. Not surprisingly it failed. Most of the teams were already in NFL markets and were not able to compete directly against them. As a result the USFL won a lawsuit against the NFL, but in reality lost everything as the jury decided the owners and their mismanagement was the reason why the USFL was not succeeding, not the NFL's monopoly. --- How does this apply to the XFL? Well, when the first XFL came into existence, McMahon was a rising star. He had turned Wrestling into a multi-million dollar industry. He had a good amount of fame, there was not an over saturation of football on every day of the week (Friday-Monday only). He had a large TV deal with NBC and their networks. The reality was that the football was bad. I mean really bad. Canadian and Arena Football are and were more exciting than the XFL. (Seriously, Canadian Football has some better rules). No XFL teams were willing to be innovative or different, they ran the same tired plays of the NFL. The players were Practice Squad level players with few NFL starter level players. The demand for spring football exists, but you are not going to be able to compete against the NFL directly. It is going to have to a niche environment and hope to build in the outskirts. The other problem the XFL will have is what major markets don't have NFL or Basketball or Baseball that will compete for advertisers dollars? People are cutting the cord from their TVs so long term even Live Sports are going to be money losers. If he can get some money from a stream, keep salaries low enough (say $40,000) for an 8-10 game schedule, play in small markets that can be passionate about the sport and get attendance high enough to pay for a good portion of the costs. He has a chance, but in reality, I don't think the money is out there anymore.

I have no problem a football coach making more than other coaches, I have a problem when people try and justify giving him a teacher's salary and than he wants an additional teacher's salary on top of of that when he isn't in the classroom, he doesn't have a load of 5 or 6 classes, he doesn't have 120-150 students, he isn't doing lesson plans, he isn't dealing with the endless battery of tests that we subject students and teachers to. Show me the Head Football Coaches teaching AP Calculus or AP Physics. Show me Head Football Coaches who are actually teaching remedial reading or math well. But it is insulting to the 100s or 1000s of other teachers in that coaches' school and district that he thinks that he basically should get two salaries (a teacher's and a coach) when he isn't required to do what a teacher actually does. Again, give me a number that is fair to the hours that in relation to the numbers of hours a teacher is required to put in. While I love high school athletics, coaches who whine that they aren't making Georgia and Texas money should leave and go there and additionally, makes me think high school schools should eliminate all sports. If kids want to play football, fine, parents can pay for it. You want to play for an All-Star team, fine. Drive the extra 2 hours. We have essentially done this in VB, Basketball, Soccer, Baseball, and Softball. Most players/parents will tell you high school is nice, but travel ball is where you get the scholarships. Go ahead and do the same thing in football. Do what European Soccer does, allow professional teams to operate football academies. Heck, allow universities to do it. Sorry long day.

http://jacksonville.com/sports/high-schools/2016-07-09/story/florida-produces-most-nfl-talent-yet-statewide-pay-high-school http://www.gainesville.com/sports/20160717/supplemental-pay-for-head-coaches-in-all-67-florida-counties Two articles that show much each county coach makes... I struggle with what is the right amount for a football coach when compared to a teacher at the same school. The purpose of the school is education. The goal is provide students with the skills and resources to be a positive citizen in the world. Extra-curriculars are a part of that. It can be debate team, FFA, or football. So how much does a football coach add to the idea of making a better citizen and better student. I guess the question becomes how much is a coach doing and what is the value of that work. 13 week Regular Season x 5 days a week(M, T, W, R, Saturday) x 3 hours a day. = 195 hours 10 Regular Season x 9 hours (travel, set up stadium, pre-game meal, clean-up) = 90 hours 4 Spring Football weeks x 5 days x 3 hours a day = 60 hours 30 weeks x 4 days a week (gotta have a rest day) x 2.5 hours = 300 Total Amount: 555 hours I think these are pretty fair numbers, I know there are longer practices, shorter practices, some weeks coaches are gone before the bell, some weeks they are there until midnight, again looking conservatively here. Minimum Wage is 8.25 so about $4,600. If we assume that these coaches have some skill more than a burger flipper, than the wage should be hire. Maybe $15 an hour or about $8,300 Now compare that to the average teacher, 7.5 hours a day (only contract time, not actual time as we all know there are ones working nights and weekends) x 192 days a year or 1440 hours a year. so coaching is an additional 1/3 of the job. I will state that if a coach was not teaching a single class or only having two "football" classes and wants to have a Texas/Georgia type stipend on top of a teacher's salary, I would have a problem with that. If the coach wants to take a full load of classes, grade tests, do lesson plans, and coach than give him the big stipend. I just don't think football coaches can have it both ways. Rarely does any other sport (Volleyball, Soccer, Basketball, or Softball/Baseball) coach get the same privilege of having a "sport" class and few teaching responsibilities.

In the new system, if a team lost every game to a Category 1 team and those Category 1 teams were playoff teams the year before, they would average 38 points. For some classifications that will be enough points to make the playoffs as #8 seed. I look forward to this eventually happening.

In 2011 and 2012, Fort White and Trinity Catholic were in a two team district (teams dropped up due to competition and travel distance). So in theory, one of them could have been winless and qualified.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/spor...tling-state-duals-preview-20180117-story.htmlI love this. I think the FHSAA should have done this years ago and would love to see them find ways to do this in Track, Weightlifting, and Swimming and Diving.Basically, this encourages schools and coaches to not just focus on the good talent to make it great, but focus on every weight class. It makes coaches go out and recruit each weight class and have depth in each class.I absolutely love that the FHSAA is doing this. On the other hand, most of us already know that South Dade and Brandon will probably win anyway to 2 of the 3 classes already.-----One change I think that should be made is that individual state titles should be statewide. Break the 400 wrestling school in the state into 32 sections regardless of size of school. Top 4 wrestlers in each weight class move on. Do this several times, until we are left with best 32 wrestlers at each weight class regardless of size of the school they represent. -----I would love to see them do this for weightlifting and track and field. Weightlifting would be easier obviously, but one of the things I am struck by is how few dual meets there are in track and field. Every meet is an Open or Invitational Meet on a Friday/Saturday which doesn't encourage the average student to participate. It also doesn't encourage anything fun. My school was very competitive and very deep, but not overall very talented. We would win many dual meets, because of our depth, but never any of the "big" meets because we didn't have "stars." Again I would do it just like the wrestling, districts for dual meets. Sectionals for individual times.

OldSchoolLion, I read some of the comments as well. They are some good points made on both sides. I do agree that it doesn't seem to be a problem in football, but most likely is a bigger force in sports like basketball, baseball, softball, volleyball, and soccer. I clicked on past champions in baseball for Alabama and in 2016 and below it looked like the 4 smallest classes were dominated by private schools. I don't know schools well in Alabama, but if I see "Christian" or Academy or Prep in the name, I can make a good assumption that it probably isn't a public school. The difference that I see is how the state politicians interfere in the running of the state HS Athletic Association. In Alabama, the state legislature pulls strings to ensure a balance that it is tilted towards public schools. In Florida, the exact opposite. Could you imagine a multiplier for private schools here in Florida? Could you imagine a separate classification for private schools? The state legislature would be up in arms and would behead all those in the FHSAA. We know there are public schools that dominate certain sports Ribault Girls Basketball, Brandon Wrestling, Dillard Basketball all come to mind. Palm Beach Lakes Girls Track and Northwestern Girls Track come to mind, but those are rarity. If you look at girl's volleyball for example, of the teams that have won more than 5 state championships only 3 are public out of the 11. That tells you a good deal of how hard it is to maintain success at a public school vs a private school. Of the 16 teams that have 3 or more state championship in softball in Florida, 6 are public schools with the top 2 being public schools. Again, I think that it just shows that while a public school can be successful, it is much harder to sustain that success year in and year out compared to the privates. Additionally, I don't think even dominate public schools succeed in multiple sports. You rarely see a dominate football, basketball, and baseball program for example. They might be good in 3, but they aren't winning state championships in all three. With the private schools, you do see that.

Skip Austin was the Head Coach of Forest (Ocala) High School.

Sigh... this is why this board is frustrating.. Just wait then. You don't need to post just to add to your post count. As for the actual proposal, it is almost like Alabama reads my posts about the idea of promotion and relegation. Granted I apply my ideas to all teams (public and private), but at least they understand that teams should move up because they are successful to play better competition. I love the idea. I don't know how Alabama schedules their non-football sports, but I like they are sensitive to the issues of girls/boys basketball and soccer. I would prefer them to treat them individually, but I like the fact they showed sensitivity. My frustration is that the FHSAA has not tried to equalize the size of classifications at the lower levels. If we put 1A aside, 2A-4A are too small in terms of number of teams, there should be about 40-50 teams. They already do this is sports like Basketball (5A-9A are 85+ teams) (2A-4A are 49+ teams). Yes, I know more teams play basketball instead of football, but they could still equalize the classes which they have failed to do. 2A: Less than 440 students (non-Rural Division) 3A: 440-950 4A: 950-1300 5A: 1300-1650 Would more than equalize many of the lower classifications.

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Spruce Creek's 8 wins were all against Cat 3 and 4 teams OCU had 2 cat 3 wins, 2 cat 4 wins, and a cat 1 win... their 4 losses were all cat 1 and 2... Does SC have 8 wins with OCU's same schedule, probably not... If we only gave 5 more points for Cat 1 wins (and no others) than SC still makes it in over OCU and West Orange... My biggest problem with how the FHSAA does things is that they do not actually do the math ahead of time. They just kind of see if it will work.

Right, if they want to "reward" teams for playing tough games. Fine increase category 1, but not all of them.

You run into the dangerous situation of when losing trumps winning. Let's use Class 3A (I chose the last seed in each region) American Heritage's points increase to 37.89 with the additional points for losing. Newberry's points increase to 37.11 Melbourne Central Catholic's points increase to 38.22 Tampa Catholic's points increase to 39 A team stinks, like really bad, but their schedule is awesome. They have 7 category 1 losses, who all happen to be playoff teams in previous years. They additionally have 3 category 2 wins. This 3-7 team now has a playoff points of 38.6 points. Does this team really deserve to be in? I would say not, but the new system lets them in. Like I said, the biggest problem is that they need to make top flight wins worth more. The gaps should be more than 5 points.

I didn't include 1A as nothing would change except for the addition of Trenton.

In order to make the system work, you need 32 districts. We want to end complaints of small districts and we need to have 3 "successful" teams, so the district needed to be at least 7, but 8 works better. So after you remove, 1A teams and the 256 "Large school teams", you equally divide the other classifications. which is why 6A is larger. Just realize, if Bolles or Trinity Christian moved back to 3A. Columbia's district could potential change and move to Jacksonville. Again, I am a believer if I am going to propose something you have to show people how it would work. Again this is just hoping the FHSAA people realize some things.

Class 6A Region 1 District 1 Escambia Gulf Breeze Milton Pace Pine Forest Tate Washington (Pensacola) District 2 Chiles Crestview Fort Walton Beach Leon Lincoln Mosley Navarre Niceville District 3 Buchholz Columbia Fleming Island Forest Gainesville Middleburg Oakleaf Vanguard (Ocala) West Port District 4 Bolles Englewood First Coast Fletcher Robert E. Lee Sandalwood Terry Parker Trinity Christian (Jacksonville) District 5 Atlantic Coast Bartram Trail Creekside Mandarin Matanzas Nease Ponte Vedra St. Augustine District 6 DeLand Deltona Flagler Palm Coast Mainland New Smyrna Beach Seabreeze Spruce Creek University (Orange City) District 7 Apopka Lake Brantley Lake Mary Lyman Pine Ridge Seminole (Sanford) Wekiva Winter Springs District 8 Colonial East River Hagerty Lake Howell Oviedo Timber Creek University (Orlando) Winter Park Region 2 District 9 East Ridge Edgewater Evans Lake Minneola Ocoee South Lake West Orange Windermere District 10 Boone Celebration Cypress Creek Dr. Phillips Freedom (Orlando) Lake Nona Oak Ridge Olympia District 11 Gateway Haines City Harmony Liberty Osceola (Kissimmee) Poinciana Ridge Community St. Cloud District 12 Auburndale Bartow George Jenkins Kathleen Lake Gibson Lake Region Lakeland Winter Haven District 13 Freedom (Tampa) George Steinbrenner Land O Lakes Pasco Springstead Sunlake Wharton Wiregrass Ranch District 14 Alonso Clearwater Countryside East Lake Gaither Mitchell Palm Harbor University Sickles District 15 Blake Chamberlain Hillsborough Jefferson King Leto Plant Tampa Bay Tech District 16 Armwood Bloomingdale Brandon Durant Newsome Plant City Riverview (Riverview) Strawberry Crest Region 3 District 17 Boca Ciega Dixie Hollins Largo Northeast (St. Petersburg) Osceola (Seminole) Pinellas Park Seminole (Seminole) St. Petersburg District 18 Braden River East Bay Lakewood Ranch Lennard Manatee Palmetto Riverview (Sarasota) Sarasota District 19 Cape Coral Charlotte Fort Myers Ida Baker North Fort Myers North Port Port Charlotte Riverdale Venice District 20 Barron Collier East Lee County Estero Golden Gate Gulf Coast Lehigh Naples Palmetto Ridge South Fort Myers District 21 Bayside Eau Gallie Heritage Melbourne Sebastian River Sebring Vero Beach Viera District 22 Centennial Fort Pierce Central Jensen Beach Martin County Okeechobee Port St. Lucie South Fork Treasure Coast District 23 Dwyer Jupiter Palm Beach Central Palm Beach Gardens Palm Beach Lakes Royal Palm Beach Seminole Ridge Wellington District 24 Atlantic (Delray Beach) Boynton Beach Forest Hill John I. Leonard Lake Worth Park Vista Santaluces Region 4 District 25 Boca Raton Coral Springs Deerfield Beach Douglas Monarch Olympic Heights Spanish River West Boca Raton District 26 Blanche Ely Boyd Anderson Dillard Fort Lauderdale Northeast (Oakland Park) Piper Plantation Taravella District 27 Dr. Krop Hollywood Hills McArthur Nova South Broward South Plantation St. Thomas Aquinas District 28 American Cooper City Cypress Bay Everglades Flanagan Miramar West Broward Western District 29 Miami Miami Beach Miami Central Miami Norland Miami Springs Mourning North Miami North Miami Beach District 30 Doral Goleman Hialeah Hialeah Gardens Hialeah-Miami Lakes Mater Academy Reagan Westland Hialeah District 31 Belen Jesuit Braddock Columbus Coral Gables Miami Coral Park Miami Sunset South Miami Southwest Miami District 32 Coral Reef Ferguson Homestead Miami Killian Miami Palmetto Miami Southridge South Dade Varela

Class 5A (1345-1620) Region 1 Arnold Choctawhatchee Clay Eastside Ed White Menendez Orange Park Paxon Pensacola Ridgeview Stanton Wakulla Westside Region 2 Belleview Citrus Crystal River Fort Pierce Westwood Lake Wales Lake Weir Lecanto Leesburg Merritt Island Palm Bay Rockledge Titusville Weeki Wachee Region 3 Bayshore Dunedin Hardee Jesuit Middleton River Ridge Robinson Southeast Spoto Tarpon Springs Wesley Chapel Zephyrhills Region 4 American Heritage (Plantation) Archbishop McCarthy Coconut Creek Cypress Lake Dunbar Hallandale Immokalee Island Coast Lely Mariner Miami Carol City Miami Jackson Miami Northwestern Stranahan Suncoast

Class 4A (922-1344) Region 1 Baker County Bay Bishop Kenny Gadsden County Godby Raines Ribault Rickards Rutherford Suwannee West Florida West Nassau Wolfson Yulee Region 2 Astronaut Atlantic (Port Orange) Bishop Moore Cocoa Dunnellon Eustis Jones Mount Dora North Marion Palatka Santa Fe South Sumter Space Coast Tavares Region 3 Anclote Booker Central (Brooksville) Fivay Gibbs Gulf Hernando Hudson Lakewood Mulberry Nature Coast Ridgewood Tenoroc Region 4 Avon Park Cardinal Gibbons Clewiston Coral Springs Charter DeSoto County Glades Central Gulliver Prep Key West Keys Gate LaBelle Lemon Bay Pompano Beach Washington (Miami)

Class 3A (434-921) Region 1 Andrew Jackson Baldwin Episcopal Fernandina Beach Florida High Fort White Marianna Newberry North Bay Haven P. K. Yonge Pensacola Catholic South Walton Taylor County Walton Region 2 Bradford Cocoa Beach Father Lopez First Academy Interlachen Keystone Heights Lake Highland Prep Melbourne Central Catholic Taylor Trinity Catholic Trinity Prep Umatilla Villages Region 3 Berkeley Prep Bishop Verot Calvary Christian (Clearwater) Cardinal Mooney Cardinal Newman Clearwater Central Catholic Cypress Creek (Wesley Chapel) Gateway Charter Kings Academy Lake Placid Oasis Oxbridge Academy Tampa Catholic Region 4 American Heritage (Delray Beach) Calvary Christian (Fort Lauderdale) Chaminade-Madonna Everglades Prep Immaculata-LaSalle Miami Edison Monsignor Pace North Broward Prep NSU University School Pine Crest Pinecrest Prep St. Andrews St. John Paul II Westminster Christian

2A (Population 58-434) Region 1 Aucilla Christian Cedar Creek Christian Eagles View FAMU John Paul II Maclay Munroe North Florida Christian North Florida Educational Oak Hall Providence Rocky Bayou Christian St. Francis St. Joseph University Christian Region 2 Agape Cornerstone Charter Foundation Academy Halifax Holy Trinity Lakeland Christian Merritt Island Christian Seven Rivers Christian St. John Lutheran Trinity Christian (Deltona) Victory Christian Warner Christian Zephyrhills Christian Region 3 Admiral Farragut Cambridge Christian Carrollwood Community School Evangelical Christian First Baptist Indian Rocks Christian Keswick Christian Marco Island Academy Northside Christian Seffner Christian Southwest Florida Christian St. John Neumann St. Petersburg Catholic Region 4 Benjamin Champagnat Dade Christian Glades Day John Carroll Marathon Moore Haven Palm Glades Prep Palmer Trinity Somerset Charter (Silver Palms) Village Academy Westminster Academy

OK for the past several years, I have promoted the idea of promotion and relegation. I know that it will never happen. I have suggested an Open Classification with taking historically great teams (using Laz's Best Since 1999), take the top 64 and put them in a new classification and allow them to play. Again, I know it will go nowhere.So after looking at Georgia and Texas HS Classifications... I thought I would try my hand for FloridaFirst, we take a 5 year average of populations. 5 year averages allow for consistency in terms of numbers and don’t allow a random increase or decrease to affect whether you move up or down. Simple reason why, Jones High School (Orlando) jumped nearly 400 students from previous years and is double what they were in 2013.Second, Trenton moves back to 1A. None of the nearly 1A Rural schools (Fort White, Newberry, Taylor Pierson) have an average that is below 600.Third, Bolles and Trinity Christian (Jacksonville) stay in the bigger division with districts. Since that was their concern. If they don’t want to stay, we can move them back to the correct classification. Both would be in the new "3A"Fourth, Biggest 256 teams in 1 Classification divided into 32 districts with ~8 teams in each district. Top 3 teams make the playoffs. Of the 3 teams, the team with the biggest population goes into Division 1, next biggest to Divison 2, last in team size goes to Division 3. Teams are seeded by power points.Fifth, the remaining 215 are divided into 4 classifications of about 54 teams and subdivided into 4 regions. Power Points determines who makes the playoffs.Positives of the new system:No small classifications.and no small districtsFHSAA is happy as it keeps 8 classifications $$$In 6A, best teams do actually make the playoffs as they had to play 6 to 8 district games.In 1A to 5A, teams still get flexibility with their schedules.Negatives:I know there are some, but I will let others point them out.

I would have extended the points making a Category 1 win worth a lot more and a Category 4 loss a lot less. I don't like them equaling, would prefer to see a win matter more, especially if they are going to add bonus points for various things. My Suggestion: Category 1 Win: 65 points Loss: 35 points Category 2 Win: 50 points Loss: 30 points Category 3 Win: 40 points Loss: 20 points Category 4 Win: 35 points Loss: 5 points ------------------- I like the roster extension. I dislike they turned down leveling of classification sizes.