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ColumbiaFan, The game was in Gainesville, it might as well have been a home game and considering it had been 30 years since CHS had played in a state championship and all of the resources they pour into football, yes, I would expect them to have a decent showing for a state championship game. Don't forget that Miami teams travel well.

Guesses on attendance... 1A: 3,400 (Madison will bring the house) 2A: 1,200 3A: 1,400 (A lot less than last year due to Oxbridge having few to no alumni) 4A: 5,000 (Raines and Cocoa will bring a crowd) 5A: 4,000 (Baker County will bring a nice crowd) 6A: 7,500 (MNW usually brings a good crowd) 7A: 8,500 (Bartram's $$$ and Venice should be best crowd of the week, even though early on Saturday) 8A: 7,000 (Atlantic has the history, but I don't trust Palm Beach schools to travel) --------------- 38,000 Total This would put the total as one of the highest since they went to Orlando.

Blackmagic, So you are saying you only want the smallest 32 teams in 1A even if there are teams that technically meet the early cutoffs for rural (500 students) or current cutoff (600) you only want the smallest 32? I am assuming that you would apply this same standard to 2A as well? 3A? 4A? I guess the next question becomes, do you not think that 32 teams is a little small for a "state championship", doesn't it lead to more of the blowouts that we consistently see? Isn't some of the point to create a level of competitiveness and the smaller the classifications the less competitiveness?

I appreciate you used facts to back up your opinion and this comes back to what do the small schools want? At some point small rural schools are going to have pick their poison: they can stay rural or they can stay small, but they probably won't be able to stay rural and small for too much longer. Schools are going to grow out of it. Even a school like Baker has shown steady growth from 389 in 2009 to a high of 475 in 2016 (441 in 2017). Nobody is going to make another rural small school so as schools phase out of the rural classification what do rural schools want?

Student Population reports are only 9-12. Name of charter school is James Madison Preparatory High School, the school according to their website has 191 students. Yes students at this school could play at Madison County High School, but charters are given pretty much free range in in terms of where they want to set up thanks to our state legislature. Now any students-athletes from JMPHS would have to go towards Madison County's numbers. I would also say that they are playing a dangerous game regarding school grades if JMPHS is siphoning away their "honor" students. Long term, the school district could end up in a situation like Jefferson County where a private company comes in.

To do that many pins, no to actually be able to see it and make life easier for you, yes.

I circle Madison County (Pahokee is off map). Basically, if you put Madison in the North Region you are taking them away from most of the teams they will play in every other sport.

Print Screen... paste into Paint... crop as need. and when you have a message you can choose a file to add.

No, 9 Classes in other team sports only 8 in football.

https://www.google.com/maps/about/mymaps/ You need to add each location by hand and make sure you change the color of each pin.

Class 3A is messed up (Region 2 and 3 should be reversed). Class 3A - Region R2 - District Independent Cardinal Newman West Palm Beach Father Lopez Daytona Beach First Academy Orlando Holy Trinity Melbourne Kings Academy West Palm Beach Melbourne Central Catholic Melbourne Oxbridge Academy West Palm Beach Taylor Pierson Trinity Prep Winter Park Class 3A - Region R3 - District Independent Berkeley Prep Tampa Calvary Christian Clearwater Cardinal Mooney Sarasota Clearwater Central Catholic Clearwater Lakeland Christian Lakeland St. Petersburg Catholic St. Petersburg Tampa Catholic Tampa Trinity Catholic Ocala Problem is that there needs to be more teams. And Yes, Oxbridge, Cardinal Newman, and Kings Academy are closer to region 4, but if your removed them from 2 than the region is too small.

Schools can choose not to be in 1A, while in football it would make sense since they do not have to face anyone in their district, but it also means that their basketball, volleyball, baseball, softball teams also have to do it and it can be expensive.

Madison is in the South because to put them in the North means they are not close at all to any of the northern teams. Pahokee made a choice to be 1A, they knew the travel would happen, but they have every right to be in 1A so why not. Instead of playing against the Oxbrige and American Heritage - Delray Beach

I know. I was just pointing it out to the rest of the world. Come on guys, WEst Palm Beach to Madison is a nearly 6 hour drive one way when they had Oxbridge and Atlantic having home games. They don't pay stringers enough to travel 12 hours for a game.

Madison County Population Report: 2017- 530 2016- 529 2015- 574 2014- 593 2013- 597 2012- 672 2011- 681 2010- 688 2009- 697 Blountstown Population Report: 2017- 434 2016- 426 2015- 415 2014- 425 2013- 413 2012- 411 2011- 396 2010- 404 2009- 409

Joshua, To actually answer the question, It helps, but it still is not the complete answer. Several years ago (approaching 10), Apopka played in Mississippi, I remember them having a really small team maybe 35. They still were regional finalists. How many seniors? How many juniors? How many years has each kid been in the program? Are better questions than just total numbers. ---- Why was 600 chosen for 1A? (Originally 500). Would 1A object to schools like the following from playing in 1A? Trenton (345) Playing up due to punishment from recruiting Taylor (Pierson) (616) Fort White (632) Taylor County (653) Baldwin (658) Newberry (670) Walton (725) Interlachen (744) Marianna (754) Keystone Heights (798) Bradford (849) The Villages (915) Fernandina Beach (949) Gadsden County (978) West Nassau (1051) Mount Dora (1082) ---------------------- Why is 290 student currently the top for 2A? Can this be expanded to 500? Is the disparity that huge? How many teams joined 2A/3A because of the new playoff system? Wasn't that supposed to fix the numbers in 2A and 3A?

181pl, I am not sure how many are playing out of their classification, but remember teams will "magically" lose 100-200 students on years of reclassification. It is another reason why a 5 year average should be used instead of just a 1 year snapshot.

But the new playoff system was supposed to fix this... i swear somebody has said this

You are the person who chalks his entire March Madness bracket aren't you? Gotta be willing to go out on an edge once and a while.

Of course 1 or 2 rounds left, but out of 16 teams 8A: 0 for 2 7A: 2 for 2 (still possible) 6A: 2 for 2 (still possible) 5A: 1 for 2 (still possible) 4A: 2 for 2 (still possible) 3A: 2 for 2 (still possible) 2A: 2 for 2 (still possible) 1A: 1 for 2 (still possible) 12 for 16 still possible 7 out of 8 still possible for correct state champions Not perfect, but pretty good. If I can nail the St. Augustine and Bartram Trail games, I will feel pretty good.

In the past, I have offered a rudimentary formula of this: add 5% of current student population for each round that a team advances. subtract 10% for each year that that they don't make playoffs. Use the last 4 years with 4 years ago counting .25, 3 years ago counting .5, 2 years ago counting .75, and last year counting 1 The goal is that good schools move up, bad schools move down, while still basing on some sort of population and success. Also the FHSAA should use a 5 year average instead of one year snap shot for student populations, sometimes you will notice teams have wild fluctuations in terms of numbers. (Always lower in FHSAA redistricting years). ---------------- Ultimately, we want good district and playoff games. I just don't think the current system is set-up to do that (in any sport). I think a system where team success as well as student population, maybe roster size are more important factors would do a better service.

1A and 2A are fine, they present unique situations that deserve a chance at fair play. Rural schools were tired of having a decent team and running into Trinity Christian or Bolles or Ocala Trinity Catholic. Now an argument could be made in consolidating 3A-8A by 1. Still think a relegation promotion system is answer.

Nobody ever likes the officials, ever.... they ultimately have the ability to affect the game, but if you false start, if you are offside, if you grab a facemask, these things will be called. I have seen refs let calls go, seen them call everything, the question is are they being consistent on those calls. Every call is ultimately a judgement call in every sport, thus it always easy to think the refs are wrong

Assuming we are talking about outright wins and not who I am taking with the points... I will take Menendez over Baker County (Menendez lost earlier in the season 20-13) so 20 seems way too high and Port St. Joe over Blountstown.

The reality is that state championships should be allowed to be on Sunday. People should not have to take off work to see their school, classmates, and family play in a state championship. Thursday 8 pm (1A) Friday 4 pm (2A) and 8 pm (6A) Saturday 12pm (3A) , 4 pm(5A) , 8 pm (7A) Sunday 4 pm (4A) and 8 pm (8A) (use the schools that are closest to state final to play Sunday at 8pm)