Hwy17
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Glades Central would likely win the region in 2S
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9 hours ago, Nulli Secundus said:
The Ledger ran a piece on the Polk County transfers a few weeks back. Let’s just say that Lake Wales lost more personnel than they gained.
Go unbeaten, win the championship, now losing players? That's insane
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11 hours ago, Jambun82 said:
The Viera Admin. did not make this decision, the Brevard County School Board did.
Either way, I believe that was the right decision.
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22 hours ago, Jambun82 said:
You could just imagine being a player who is completely innocent, now being punished with no games to play though no fault of their own. If I was a parent of such a player, I would make my voice heard in that meeting that is coming up. This is why unlimited transfers for players for any reason at all, not questions asked, nobody else'e business is the RIGHT idea for Florida High School Football.
I somewhat disagree. There is a lesson to be learned here. 1. Life isn't always fair; 2. Your actions effects others for good or bad; 3. Even if not involved, if you knew and said or did nothing you are complicit; 4. This is supposed to be a team and if one fails or does wrong the whole team did. The military has this philosophy and for good reason. Ultimately sports like football should be about teaching life lessons, not the going got hard so time to bail out.
Sorry, I don't mean to preach but I believe Viera's admin did the right thing here given the circumstances.
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17 hours ago, SportsFan said:
Crowds have been declining for decades even before the transfer rules
I wouldn't say decades, the last decade perhaps, at least in my area. Attendance was good up until about 10 years ago. Transfer rules changed in 2012
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6 minutes ago, nolebull813 said:
Florida has grown so fast that most people are first generation graduated of whatever high school they attend. There have been so many new high schools built over the years, that they don’t even have enough alumni to fill a stadium. Lol.
A lot of these old towns in Ohio, Georgia and Texas have generations of people going to these historical high schools. Their daddy and granddaddy went there.
Some places like Bishop Gorman is different because they are the only main option in all of Las Vegas for a private education and world class athletic experience. They have cornered the market and built a behemoth.
Back in the day Miami schools would pack 20-40,000 to see a high school game. Before pro sports were around
Small town football in Florida is dying. What you described above was common in the 80s and 90s.
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2 minutes ago, Nulli Secundus said:
How many people do you know who are not in high school, or have any family/friends affiliated with a football program that will go to a high school football game regardless of the teams playing? That is the biggest question.
I know some. Here in the Heartland area fans from neighboring communities will support another school when they make the playoffs or have a big game.
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36 minutes ago, PinellasFB said:
I watched highlights from several games around the country. Valdosta (GA) @Massillon (OH), Bishop Gorman (NV) @Lone Peak (UT) and a few other games. I just can't believe the stadiums, bands and atmospheres at these other states. Texas HS football is absolutely insane. The Massillon game had a college like stadium and atmosphere complete with fireworks. Are there any schools in FL that match this kind of atmosphere where the community rallies around the team? Metro teams tend to be terrible atmospheres just because there are too many teams within a short distance of each other so there is no sense of community. Pinellas County is really dead. My son's team played at North East HS two years ago and I counted 7 band members and not even enough people in the home stands to add up to the amount of parents of the players on the field, and Northeast had a 9-1 team that year.
So two questions. One, why is there seemingly a lack of school spirit in Florida and two, where are there great atmospheres in this state? I assume it can only be a rural area.
There use to be before it was ruined by the transfer rules
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Is Lake Wales going to be down this year? Did the lose a lot of players off last year's team?
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Anybody what happened? I read on Facebook that the game was called at halftime due to a fight.
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15 hours ago, Nulli Secundus said:
Maybe Hardee has a younger demographic than DeSoto.
I suppose.
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36 minutes ago, Perspective said:
One thing to keep in mind is that, when it comes to building new schools, counties have to plan for future growth based on population trends. The process of identifying a projected need, finding a good site, acquiring the land and building the facilities takes time - sometimes years. If you wait until the need is actually there, it's too late and you end up with an overcrowded school doing double-sessions. Sometimes the county school boards gets it right and sometimes they don't. When they anticipate growth that does not happen, you end up with two relatively under-populated schools.
One other thing to point out: if you merge schools, there's a chance that a good number of people are going to lose their jobs - something that has a greater impact on a small community than a large one. All of a sudden, your neighbor is no longer a high school principal and the your kid's best friend's dad is no longer head football coach because two schools merged into one.
Some small counties, like Gadsden or Glades for example can't grow much because the government owns large portions of land that is off limits for development.
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1 hour ago, nolebull813 said:
Just pulled up the square miles of each county. These are the square miles of land for each of these counties who only have 1 high school
Gadsden 516 sq miles (43,000 Pop.)
Baker 585 sq miles (27,000 Pop)
Wakulla 606 sq miles (31,000 Pop.)
Desoto 637 sq miles (34,000 Pop.)
Hardee 637 sq miles (37,000 Pop.)
Okeechobee 768 sq miles (39k Pop.)
Now look at these counties with 2 high schools and see if this makes any sense?
Gilchrist 349 square miles (16,000 pop.)
Gulf 582 square miles (15,000 Pop.)
Washington 582 sq miles (24,000 Pop)
Where did you get Hardee County having a population of 37000? The 2020 census says we lost population from 2010 and are around 25000. I disagree with the accuracy of the census and think the actual population is probably around 30000. I find it interesting that we've always have a slightly smaller population than Desoto but we seem to always have more kids enrolled in our schools.
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How does that NIL work? We getting a lot of money from Mosaic. Need to buy us some players.
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3 hours ago, DarterBlue2 said:
I guess it's not my community, then!
Chump change in Naples
https://www.noradarealestate.com/blog/naples-real-estate-market/
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5 hours ago, Perspective said:
Wait, I thought recruiting was illegal?
Depends on who is doing it
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28 minutes ago, VeniceIndianFan said:
Agreed. The rich will always get richer. The kids on the playing field are infinitely more important than how many kids are in your school. If you’re going to get 8+ high-end transfers a year you should be able to compete with virtually anyone in your classification. This is why I think that the metro/suburban split wasn’t necessarily a mistake, but adding a ninth classification to the system certainly was.
If limits are not going to be placed on transfers, or a rule isn't going to be made to require them sit out a year, then I think the only other fair option would be an adjustment to classification.
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7 minutes ago, VeniceIndianFan said:
We need fewer classes. Too much power became consolidated into too few teams when the FHSAA decided to expand to 9 classifications. This is why you can practically write in the state championships now. These teams will mostly have cakewalk regions to get there. If a team gets transfers and is able to compete with Cocoa in 2S then so be it. Cocoa is going to steamroll until proven otherwise.
I've been saying this for years, why do a population report for classification when multiple transfers aren't factored in? I said it back when Cocoa was 4A that they really should have been in 6a or 7a
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On 7/14/2023 at 7:16 PM, VeniceIndianFan said:
Although facetious, your analysis is undoubtedly correct. The FHSAA is corrupt from top to bottom, and they want no part of trying to solve the competitive imbalance. They don't care about teams having to travel 2 hours for district games, 50+ point playoff blowouts, or kids potentially getting injured due to playing teams that are vastly physically superior. None of it. All they care about is padding their own pockets. More playoff and state championship games = more money and that's all they care about.
It wouldn't surprise me if the FHSAA found a way to get a 10th classification out of all of this nonsense.
Let some other public school in 2S recruit up a team and that school ends up beating Cocoa and you'll see demands for an investigation quick.
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1 hour ago, Dr. D said:
Yes, Florida's geography offers some unique challenges. Welcome to life in the Panhandle - do you know how far it is from Niceville to Tallahassee for a district game? In some cases, it would be as simple as combing adjacent districts, particularly in metro areas. Often times, teams are already playing teams in adjacent districts in non-district games. In other cases, the solution may be a little more complex. But you're basically talking about adding one or two 1-to-3 hour round trips every year. I know, traffic can be bad on a Friday night in Tampa (or Jacksonville, Orlando, Miami). Maybe start the games at 6:30 or 7:00 like they do in some parts of the state. And I think you can work around one Thursday night game per year. Ironic that on another thread we see that Lakewood has FIVE cross-state games on their schedule. Is that because no one locally will play them, or do they just want the competitive challenge? In some cases, larger districts would cut down on travel; in other cases, it would increase some. It is a good topic for debate, but in reality, change seems unlikely. A more relevant question is whether the Metro-Suburban divide survives the next reclassification cycle in 2024 and/or whether a 5th Metro class will be added.
And yet traveling a long distance is a reality for some regardless if those games are district games or non district. Likewise a former athletic director told me we had a problem years ago because we were in a 4 team district while some of the neighboring schools were in a 5 team district. That meant they had a district game and we had to either find a long distance game to fill that week or play a 9 game schedule.
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3 hours ago, PinellasFB said:
It's easy to point out three team districts as a problem without offering a solution that addresses the actual reason why there are three team districts and that is travel distance/time. How can you consolidate to 4+ team districts without creating excessive travel times? I know we have debated this before and some seem okay with getting home after midnight on a school night (Thurs night games) but anyone who cares about academics should not like this. To me, the only way you can create reasonably sized districts without impacting budgets and travel time is to reduce classifications. This is a different discussion all on its own because you now will also have to figure out what to do with private schools that are hugely advantaged over public schools. Anyway, interesting off season discussion at least.
Was done once before and it worked. In fact, was probably the best format fhsaa ever used: 1999-2000 district cycle. Six classes, 3 districts per region; most districts had 6-8 teams. Travel wasn't really an issue. District Champs and runner-ups automatically got in with 2 wildcard spots. Obviously it would need some tweaks since we now have 9 (or 10) classes. Then again the smaller classes don't need districts as fhsaa has gone that route before and it seemed to work.
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2 hours ago, Dr. D said:
I fail to see the equity in earning a district title in a 3-team district, versus a 5- or 6-team district. As an example, take 4S-District 3 -- Bartram Trail, Buchholz, Creekside, Fleming Island, and Oakleaf, and 4S-District 16 -- Gulf Coast, Immokalee, and Palmetto Ridge. The first five are traditionally and recently significantly stronger than the latter three, yet one of those three teams can potentially be a district champion by going 4-6, and winning one district game and the power ranking tiebreaker? All districts should be 7-8 teams with playoff slots decided head-to-head on the field, but if you have bought into the fallacy of power rankings, then so be it. Plus, large districts will never happen as teams would not be able to schedule 8 home games or cherry-pick their opponents (good or bad).
3 Districts per region instead of 4
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What I see happens is when one player transfers others follow to the same program.
EXCLUSIVE: FHSAA Classification Task Force Committee proposes changes to classification system to help address competitive balance
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Agreed