OldSchoolLion

This is what it could look like below. In terms of "what's left?"...well, using south Florida as an example, 22 of 88 public schools would fall into Div 1 or Div 2, so you would have 75% of south Florida public schools in the "other" category. From each county in the "other" category...21/29 Broward schools, 17/22 Palm Beach schools, 28/37 Miami-Dade schools Region 1 DIV 1 Baker County, Crestview, West Florida, Wakulla, Escambia, Godby, Navarre, Clay DIV 2 FSU, Pine Forest, Tate, Lincoln, Blountstown, Rickards, Niceville, Gulf Breeze Region 2 DIV 1 St Augustine, Raines, Bartram Trail, Vanguard, Trinity Christian, Mainland, Fleming Island, Lee DIV 2 Bolles, Ribault, University Christian, Bishop Kenny, Menendez, Columbia, Ponte Vedra, Bradford Region 3 DIV 1 Dr Phillips, Wekiva, Winter Park, Osceola, Apopka, Jones, Boone, West Orange DIV 2 Edgewater, Seminole, Lake Mary, Bishop Moore, Spruce Creek, Gainesville, Dixie County, Dunnellon Region 4 DIV 1 Armwood, Plant, Riverview, Lakeland, Tampa Bay Tech, CCC, Hillsbourough, Palmetto DIV 2 Olympia, Winter Haven, Ridge, Lakewood, Largo, East Lake, Mitchell, Wiregrass Ranch Region 5 DIV 1 Venice, Cocoa, Riverview, Viera, Braden River, Rockledge, Vero Beach, Immokalee DIV 2 Manatee, Southeast, Palmetto, St Stephen's, Chamberlain, Jesuit, Lake Gibson, Kathleen Region 6 DIV 1 St Thomas Aquinas, Atlantic, Dunbar, Naples, North Fort Myers, Deerfield Beach, University, Park Vista DIV 2 Heritage, Matanzas, Avon Park, Sebring, Merritt Island, Palm Bay, Melbourne Central Catholic, Palm Coast Region 7 DIV 1 AH Plantation, Chaminade, Gibbons, Miramar, Western, Plantation, Carol City, Booker T Washington DIV 2 Port Charlotte, Fort Myers, King's Academy, Dwyer, Benjamin, Palm Beach Central, Pahokee, Glades Central Region 8 DIV 1 Northwestern, Central, Miami, Columbus, Champagnat, Palmetto, South Dade, Southridge DIV 2 W Broward, Dillard, Stranahan, Jackson, Norland, Monsignor Pace, Doral Academy, Coconut Creek

I believe it, Jessica. But unless they have gotten much deeper, I am still not sure how well they would hold up against a much larger school (in classification) that is very physical. Central absolutely manhandled them in the trenches.

Cardinal Gibbons has impressive talent, but like I have said about Chaminade, am hesitant to call them a top 100 team until they can convincingly beat top-flight competition. Over the past couple of years, their "quality" wins were Chaminade(2016), Deerfield Beach(2016) and Rockledge(2017). They narrowly won each of those games, ie 7 points of less. Arguably, none of those teams was close to being national Top 100 teams. In 2016, 6 of the 9 teams CG beat had losing records. Their close battles against American Heritage have been very impressive, no doubt. Not to take away from those wins, but they have played them 4 times over the past couple of seasons, so it has given them a good chance to figure them out. They may well be deserving of a top 100 spot. Am just uncertain. I remember how Chaminade was ranked high at the beginning of last season and loaded with talent and got clobbered by Central.

Metro area representation: Los Angeles-8 Atlanta-8 South Florida-7 Dallas-5 Houston-4 Cleveland-4

This team has had(arguably) the most dominating overall defensive performance of any program in the state series during the past 25 years. During this time, this team has made multiple title game appearances and in playoff games during those title run seasons, they held their opponents to one TD or less in 70% of the games. In 2 of those title game appearances, they held each of their opponents to less than 100 yards of total offense and 7 or fewer first downs. In all of its playoff games over the past 25 years, this team has recorded 7 shutouts. Who is the team?

I don't approve of the behavior, but screwing up a person's life, ie future employment, with a felony charge for punching someone in the heat of a moment...there are more constructive ways to work through these things. As a kid, I was on the tail end of such a blow in a basketball game...broke my nose, blood on the court, trip to the hospital....and it was intentional. There were no police, no charges, and all parties eventually agreed to let the kid play again. And he did, with no more incidents during the rest of the season. The kid had no prior issues. Who knows, maybe basketball was the only thing keeping the kid out of even bigger trouble, and taking that away from him could have led to worse things.

...just a random thought. If the regions looked liked below in the top division...makes me wonder how this might impact transferring in south Florida. If a kid really wants to win a title, he may not have multiple options like today, ie Chaminade 3A, AHP 5A, Central 6A, STA 7A. In a manner of speaking, some schools have probably gotten spoiled with our current arrangement, which has made it easier to win title after title. Are those schools going to accept winning titles much less often? Region 1 1 Baker County 2 Crestview 3 West Florida 4 Wakulla 5 Escambia 6 Godby 7 Navarre 8 Clay Region 2 1 St Augustine 2 Raines 3 Bartram Trail 4 Vanguard 5 Trinity Christian 6 Mainland 7 Fleming Island 8 Lee Region 3 1 Dr Phillips 2 Wekiva 3 Winter Park 4 Osceola 5 Apopka 6 Jones 7 Boone 8 West orange Region 4 1 Armwood 2 Plant 3 Riverview 4 Lakeland 5 Tampa bay Tech 6 CCC 7 Hillsbourough 8 Palmetto Region 5 Venice, Cocoa, Riverview, Viera, Braden River, Rockledge, Vero Beach, Immokalee Region 6 Oxbridge Academy, Atlantic, Dunbar, Naples, North Fort Myers, Deerfield Beach, University, Park Vista Region 7 AH Plantation, Chaminade, Gibbons, St Thomas Aquinas, Miramar, Western, Plantation, Carol City Region 8 Northwestern, Central, Miami, Columbus, Champagnat, Booker T Washington, South Dade, Southridge

I only listed games where the point differential was 21 or more points.

Private schools have won about 50% of the games(39 wins vs 36 losses) they have played against public schools in state finals. Public schools actually had the edge until this decade. As you'll see below, most of the well-known private school programs have been victims of at least one whoopin' of 21 points or more by a public school program in a state final or other playoff game. Good job S1inglewing! All of the games below were state finals unless noted *playoff game (not a state final) 1971 Class A Hastings 34 Trinity Prep/Orlando 7 1974 Class 3A Ocala Forest 46 Chaminade 6 1977 Class A FAMU 59 Trinity Prep/Orlando 7 1978 Class A FAMU 45 WPB Benjamin 6 1980 Class 4A Tate 35 Miami Columbus 7 1984 Class A Baker 48 Glades Day 7 1985 Class A Baker 33 Glades Day 0 1990 Class 3A Suwanee 44 Cardinal Gibbons 14 1991 Class 4A Fort Walton Beach 39 St Thomas Aquinas 14 1994 Class 3A Union County 21 Bishop Verot 0 1996 Class 4A Lakeland 40 St Thomas Aquinas 6 *1999 Class A Trenton 45 University Christian 18 2004 Class 5A Lakeland 31 St Thomas Aquinas 7 2004 Class 2B Pahokee 43 Pensacola Catholic 9 2005 Class 5A Lakeland 39 St Thomas Aquinas 10 *2006 Class 2B Pahokee 48 Cardinal Mooney 0 2007 Class 2A Madison County 28 Tampa Catholic 7 *2007 Class 2B Frostproof 32 Clearwater Central Catholic 10 2009 Class 3A Pensacola 28 Miami Belen Jesuit 7 *2011 Class 5A Pasco 31 Tampa Jesuit 7 2012 Class 4A Booker T Washington 35 Bolles 7

FHSAA's entire history

In head-to-head matchups of public schools versus private schools in FHSAA state finals, private schools have won approximately _____ % of the games.

Soul Bowl #2 In 1998, #1 ranked Northwestern met Jackson in the state semis in a game known as Soul Bowl 2. Over 35,000 attended. Down 14-2 with 2.5 minutes left, NW hit a bomb to bring the score to 14-9. NW did not recover the onside kick and with no timeouts left, the game was virtually over. After three plays, Jackson had the ball on their 24 yard line with 10 seconds left. Jackson's coach called for his punter to turn tail and dash for his own end zone to give NW a safety. Instead of inserting his punter, who had already fumbled once in the end zone, he called on the sure hands of his back-up quarterback. Junior Ronnie Jones lined up ten yards behind center and waited for the ball to fly into his hands. He didn't wait long enough. Jones, who was in for his first play of the game, began to run toward the end zone even before the ball reached his hands. The ball fell to the ground, where it was swarmed by players from both teams. When the pile was unknotted, Northwestern owned the ball on the ten-yard line -- with six seconds left to play. Now the game rested on one final play. Northwestern's offense lined up in a tight formation. Quarterback Sheffield took the snap, stepped back two feet, planted his cleats in the turf, and lobbed a blimp toward the south corner of the end zone. Northwestern receiver Antonio Bryant raced to meet the ball while jockeying for position with two Jackson cornerbacks. Bryant, taller than both his foes, was also savvy enough to stop suddenly and position himself in front of them. The ball landed in his outstretched hands as he fell to the ground. Bulls 15-14. NW went on to win the state title.

...my point about expectations was geared toward the facilities (tennis courts, multiple fields, auditoriums, etc), nothing else. If they built something like what was in the picture above 40 years ago the taxpayers would have thought they were crazy. Now it has become "normal."

Immokalee fans were very fired up when I visited.

Am thinking of regular season games, where they have played a number of teams from larger classes of late..

In the 2006 Class 1B final, FAMU beat Victory Christian 14-10 and actually had negative passing yards for the game, completing 1 pass of 3 attempted. Richard Watson of FAMU rushed for 123 yards on 21 carries. In the 2010 Class 1A final, Trinity Christian beat American Heritage Delray 27-10. Trinity only attempted one pass during the game, which was incomplete. Trinity rushed for 322 yards. Andrew Buie of Trinity turned in one of the more memorable rushing efforts in state title game history, rushing for 242 yards on 31 carries and 4TD's

Pensacola High rushed for 318 yards on 46 carries in its 28-7 Class 3A final win against Miami Belen Jesuit in 2009. It was the first and only state final appearance for both teams Pensacola's Prince Ashanti rushed for over 100 yards. Pensacola only attempted 2 passes the entire game and completed neither. Good job Bocefous!

I had asked for the names of private schools? Do you mean Pensacola Catholic?

I figured you would enjoy this one Flo

Madison County rushed for 386 yards on 56 attempts in its 28-7 Class 2A final win against Tampa Catholic in 2007. Madison's Chris Thompson rushed for over 200 yards and Corey Akins rushed for nearly 150 yards. MC only attempted 2 passes the entire game and completed neither. On defense, MC shut down TC, allowing them only 100 total yards of offense. Good job Hwy17!

I modified the data in the previous post to include all years from 2000 to present. I believe the shift kicked into gear around 2005...the same year that Robert Love of Pahokee destroyed the title game passing record. We have gone from 75rushing/25passing to 65/35, which doesn't seem like much, but it is significant. To Jessica's point, depth has likely become a bigger factor as # of plays and tempo have increased. Even very talented smaller teams, ie Chaminade, are going to being at risk of wearing out when facing high tempo teams with deeper rosters.

Lakeland rushed for 358 yards in it incredible 45-42 2OT win over St Thomas Aquinas in the 2006 5A finals. In one of the best rushing efforts in state title game history, Chris Rainey of Lakeland rushed for 276 yards and 3TD's on 26 runs, including 2 runs of 50+ yards. Lakeland only attempted 2 passes the entire game for a total of 5 passing yards. Jeremiah Harden of STA did quite a bit of damage of his own, rushing for 174 yards and 4 TD's in the game. Rainey scorched STA in 2004 as well and Lakeland ended up with 356 rushing yards in that game. Lakeland did pass the ball quite a bit more in that game, though. So, right teams just a different year, Flo. Good job!

Cocoa rushed for 425 yards on 45 attempts in its 31-17 Class 4A title win over Bolles in 2016. Cocoa had 0 passing yards and only attempted one pass in the game. 3 Cocoa running backs surpassed 100 yards in the game...Bruce Judson, Lasedrick King and Javian Hawkins. Each had a TD run of 70 or more yards.

Since 2004, 6 teams have won a state title with less than 10 total passing yards in the title game. Interestingly, 6 different private schools were the losers in these games and 5 of the winners were public schools. Who were the 6 private schools and who beat them with their rushing game?

....says who?. The organization is run by a third party. I don't see them using the word "official" on their website.