Ray Icaza

Interesting concept and we should be open to consider these kinds of possibilities going forward as the current environment for HS football is not ideal.

Thanks for that insight, as I never knew programs like this existed who appears to have the sole purpose of acquiring talent in the surrounding area. Never sits well with our program in retrospect losing to teams in a championship game that did it that way. Reminds me of our losing to Flanagan HS in a similar fashion as well.

I was also there that night for the TBT game as I was the previous week when we beat Lakeland in those same playoffs as well as the following week when we beat Niceville. That 2014 team was pretty good, but as a heavy run team we ran into the best defensive front I had seen at the HS level in the state championship when we got bullied by STA with Nick Bosa and Co. who were unblockable.

Everything is relative for me growing up here. In the mid to late 70's early 80's when we played out at the Silver Spurs arena and our population was a fraction what it is today, we attracted fans in the thousands to big home games. Today, despite consistently fielding excellent teams year after year the attendance is typically in the hundreds which I consider a paltry number. I see the work the coaches and players put in so feel they should get alot more support than they do. The least that can happen in the upcoming year is for all our coaches to be paid better than they have for the value they provide the school system and the kids they impact.

Well we certainly don't have perks to offer top area players to transfer into our program, but we do have lots of Tradition, competition and solid coaching that prepares players for the next level. That consistency, continuity, discipline, hard work, etc.. also isn't for everyone as we see some come and not last in our program. At the present time, we don't seem to be as well positioned as we were last year at this time for success into the playoff rounds but time will tell. As I have clearly pointed out in previous years we do lose as many or more than what we gain on average and outsiders claiming we steal all the surrounding talent are clueless. Our wrestling program has been extremely successful over the years but currently going thru a coaching change so will see how that affects that program. I think to be considered a Title 1 school 40%+ of the student body must qualify for the lunch program; I would guess we are probably closer to 60% but don't quote me on that.

No, this kid has good parents with good jobs and his older brother started for us several seasons and attended LIU on scholarship this past year. His Dad is a very savvy football guy and he must have been onboard with the decision. The WHY is always a guessing game, thus speculation so I hope you appreciate me not opining on reasons. We hope it works in his favor, but you never know as I think he will have to compete for playing time in the secondary there just as he was doing here. Thankfully our coaching staff believe in merit and all starting positions have to be earned, which I fully support. Reason given why players transferred to TFA have little merit as they certainly don't apply to the 2 we lost to them last year. The OL we lost is from a very well to do family whose Dad is a prominent OB/ GYN doctor in the central FL area and after last season and looking ahead to this season, it remains a real head scratcher as to WHY?? Over the summer I am sure we will gain a few and lose a few with the hope in each of those moves it truly benefits the student/player, not the coach that is only trying to make a name for himself by taking shortcuts.

Sounds like your intentions are genuine, but your argument is weak. NO ONE is telling any student he or she can't transfer to a better school be it for academics or athletics and here is where your argument falls apart. We have "SCHOOL CHOICE" for that very reason, but that doesn't include coaches, their agents, parents or others actively trying to recruit an athlete simply because he can help their program win offering them any number of perks. Osceola is a relatively low income county compared to the surrounding Orange, Seminole, Brevard and Volusia thus a Title 1 school. However, the administration, faculty, coaches and support staff do a very good job with the kids they are handed be it on the education front or athletics. We just had a DB transfer to Lakeland HS and my guess is he and his parents have their reasons for doing so that they deem beneficial for his senior year. We had a RB transfer in from Toho probably with a similar scenario. That I have no problem with and the way the program is supposed to work. TFA and the kids (30 as others have pointed out) that went there is an abomination that can only be chalked up to recruiting which is illegal and thankfully has consequences for ALL!!

Is this a common sense question or should we be getting an "EXPERT" in here to tell us the answer?

Thank You, he is the reason we lost our top receiver 3 years ago to WPHS, not an easy drive from Kissimmee. He ended up being their top WR, kick returner and top TD maker that year. FHSAA came down on them hard so he headed to Leesburg. Acting like this stuff isn't really happening, justifying why it happens, leaving poor programs, headed to better programs or other lame excuses are weak. Clear rule breaking should have consequences for ALL involved.

Your view of society is typical where the perpetrator has all the rights and the victim has little. That is where we live today but thank God that isn't my view.

IMG is a different category as it isn't depriving anyone from a state championship, so I am okay with their model of taking elite players from around the country and preparing them in every way for the next step in their development. The two players we lost to TFA will be contributing seniors to their program in the upcoming season and as you can see didn't devastate our program last year so my beef isn't about that. However, it is my understanding that they took 6 or 7 of the best players from both Lake Minneola and Leesburg last year and that would certainly be a devastating blow to almost any FL HS team's chance for success. That is unconscionable.

Plausible Deniability can be used as a defense, but it still doesn't eliminate GUILT!! They took 2 kids from our program and had a full court press on our 2 top LB's that just graduated, Melendez who is now at Auburn and Robert Lee at FAU. This isn't hearsay as their parents told me as much at practices. "COERCING" the player isn't the standard, instead simply talking too and encouraging it. Kids that were not involved shouldn't be punished and with the School Choice they are free to play elsewhere. The institution knew all along as their Principal as well as the varsity baseball HC resigned in protest of what they witnessed. TFA needs to be held accountable for turning a blind eye. Hopefully, we will see more of this in the upcoming season as they aren't a one off.

By the way, those "Teenagers" and their parents if they had common sense would see the light and transfer out to play for another local school that can participate for a FHSAA title leaving TFA with that national schedule and the humiliation they deserve.

They were found guilty of recruiting players plus providing impermissible benefits during the past season and fined $36K, two-year suspension for the HC and two-year suspension in playoff competition. Get real Nolebull, both the players and coaches knew exactly the rule breaking they were engaged in and both groups should pay the price. Spare me the pity for the "Teenagers" who have parents that should also know better. They got what they deserved and happy their appeal fell on deaf ears. You and I could have a different opinion of what constitutes cheating but we don't count, only the opinion of the FHSAA which has ruled on the matter.

IMG openly recruits on a national level and is fine playing a national schedule with no interest in the FHSAA playoffs. The same cannot be said about the First Academy as they want to openly recruit, play a national schedule but also desperately want a state championship in the FHSAA. Their appeal to lift the suspension for this season was just rejected by the FHSAA board 10-0 which I applaud them for. A Christian school that cloaks itself in righteousness and virtue should not be rewarded for cheating to win.

Have no info indicating that has happened, rather he recently posted our "Voluntary Workouts" for summer kickoff on June 10th. As was indicated by another poster, Jeff Rolson who was our HC over 10 years ago has resigned at Apopka citing the open transfer policy as a major factor in his decision.

The 2024 version of OHS Kowboys was one of the premier programs in the state and my comments reflected that during the season. Can't come close to projecting that out for next year with the group we fielded against Windermere and a lot can happen over the summer. Again, Windermere has a nice squad but isn't in the league they would like to be and OHS was without their #1 projected RB for next year and breaking in 4 new OL so our offense was anemic at best with our coaches not satisfied where we are either. Always the best policy to not over promise what your team will look like until you have plenty of data to back that up. They ain't close yet.

Maybe you didn't read my view as I attended the game. Edgewater beat OHS 14-0 in their half with two busted coverages for (65+ yards) cheap scores but failed to run the ball against us at all. We are re-tooling our offense after losing the #1 RB in the state of FL. In the other half, Edgewater beat Windermere 21-0 and ran the ball down their throat as all 3 scores were on the ground. Seems like they wanted to work on that rather than running up the score thru the air. Not here to run Windermere down but again, they have no chance against teams like these two.

Since this is a quote from our coach, "It isn't ever as bad as it looks and is never as good as it looks". Our starting RB (Sinophat) for next year didn't dress as well as a couple others. We can't replace "CHICK", so our off season will focus on finding ways to move the ball effectively which we did not last night as we were breaking in 4 new OL though they are huge. Edgewater beat us in their half 14-0 on two big, busted coverages on pass plays of 65 yards or more for TD's. Their run game produced nothing on the ground against us, so defensively we showed it to be our strength at this stage. Windermere is not in the league with these types of teams at this stage plain and simple.

This fact may or may not be relevant to their aspirations in football, but they have built one of the best boys basketball "PROGRAMS" over the last 4 or 5 years in the entire Central FL area. They advanced to the state finals this year and were obviously defeated by Miami Columbus Explorers in the championship game; Columbus ended up being the mythical National Champ. Only bring this up as Windermere is in an upscale area of Orlando with plenty of "RESOURCES" to help "BUILD" a program. Process this as you would like.

It is a relatively new school with new field finally installed last year. Word has they have gotten a few decent transfers and they return CJ Bronaugh this year's FL state 100-meter champ who holds several offers and is currently a Nebraska commit. Osceola graduated a bunch of top talent that will be impossible to replace, but they are working hard and do return a decent core of players. I think they will utilize the spring game to evaluate their strengths and weaknesses as opposed to worrying too much on the outcome which means zilch at this stage in the game. Do plan to attend.

Well one thing is certain as I have told one of two kids we lost last year since TFA cloaks itself in righteousness: Jesus frowns on cheaters.

Both sides of this prognostication are dependent on whether they keep personnel or bleed personnel. This won't be determined until summer arrives and at this juncture it is anybody's guess. Yes, both of you are guessing since you are not really involved closely with the program to know if a storm is brewing.

2024 ended up being a good year for my Kowboys despite a bit of disappointment at the end. Merry Christmas and looking forward to a better 2025 while wishing Goodwill to all of you. Praise the Lord.

I agree with this theory for the Open Division, but not necessarily that it needs to be mandatory as I imagine the "Carrot and Stick" will be the motivation of only ONE Champion. If any of the elites want that recognition, then they will take the Carrot or they then drop out and play for a lesser title, ie.. gold, silver, etc.... I also believe it should be similar to the current system used in college to select the top 12 teams from year to year so when a newbie like Flanagan or WB Raton appears on the scene for a short window they want a title they need to earn it. Let teams schedule regular season games as in the past and then at the end of the 10 game season, MaxPrep ranked them to compete for that title. If the FHSAA needs to increase revenue, then maybe expand the field to 16 or 24 teams. Finally, for revenue reasons play both the semi-finals and finals in south FL as most likely this is where those teams will come from and could produce a significant gate.