Ray Icaza

Thanks for admitting that you do not know why they transferred or the several others that mysteriously transferred to that school (not a known powerhouse). Thanks for also agreeing you specifically have to ask all the kids that left for seemingly inexplicable reasons why. That happened as a matter of fact which raises suspicion thus the launch of an investigation by the FHSAA who hopefully will ask YOUR question as well as many more to get to the bottom of it. Any fair-minded person should readily support this investigation. If you don't support and admitted you don't know the facts, you are basically guilty of what some are accusing you of. I would hope you would like to know the TRUTH as opposed to simply attacking the messengers.

Flawed reasons you sight for leaving when you look at the two players we lost. They both played at OHS their freshmen and sophomore seasons with significant varsity playing time as sophomores and were projected starters for next season. Our school is not "FAILING THEM" academically, athletically or any other measure as we sent about a dozen seniors from the 2023 class to further their education thru football. This list included 5 going to D1 schools like Florida, FSU, UCF, Oklahoma and Rutgers. I ask you specifically like you ask others to tell me exactly why they left since I just debunked your stated reasons. The answer is you have no idea but turning a blind eye to the "Possibility" of rule breaking is wrong. By the way, losing those 2 will not ruin our upcoming season as we have others capable of stepping up in their place and so my concern isn't that.

Thank you and that integrity included his wife that happened to be the principal at said school also deciding to leave.

Sentinel sportswriter JC Carnahan wrote an article on April 8th on this subject matter. It clearly states that the FHSAA is definitely investigating "Allegations" against The First Academy for rules violations by its football program and even points out their winning varsity baseball HC (Groves) has recently resigned because he doesn't want the rule breaking that is blatantly happening at that school will reflect negatively on him. He has expressed his frustration with the school administrators to no avail. It will be interesting to see how this plays out as the transfers they have gotten include the following schools: Boone, Timber Creek, Leesburg, Lake Minneola and my school Osceola. The two players we lost left for inexplicable reasons and were both sophomores that would be projected starters next year. Something Smells!!!

Never blamed teacher unions for lack of coaches pay, simply quoted articles written by others regarding the specific effort currently under way to raise their "Minimum Wage". Those articles speculated that teachers would oppose raises without them being first in line. My position with unions in any public/government employment is crystal clear, so the clown is the one spinning it to fit his narrative.

No doubt they are working to "GET" kids to transfer in as we lost a couple of very good players to them in the last couple of months. The change came when they brought the 1 year HC down from Leesburg where he put them on the map and into the playoffs somehow managing to "GET" players from some of the surrounding schools. No doubt it is happening.

Did I read that article correctly where it said states we are losing teachers/coaches to (AKA.... GA, AL, TX, SC, etc.) don't allow "Collective Bargaining" (AKA.... unions) for public employees? Even some of those states pay plan is based on "MERIT" (AKA... winning) for coaches?

Are you still talking to me?? Thought I was pretty clear for you not to waste your breath on this subject matter, but somehow you are missing the point. Teacher unions have limited power in FL because the candidates they overwhelming support keep losing. If they had won, the teacher union vote had a lot to do with it and would be wielding that power. Osceola county which isn't a GOP stronghold during the past two national elections had the journalism students for the OHS monthly newsletter (Kowboy Jake) interview the faculty as to their political leanings. A sample of about 30 teachers that were interviewed were voting as follows: 25 D vs 5 R. Enough said.

As a general rule, I am not a big supporter of unions in the public sector in particular. They certainly had a place in the private sector during the industrialization of our nation, but today not so much. I have no first-hand experience with unions representing our local law enforcement or firefighters but my interaction with the teachers union over several years in that profession is the basis of my opinion.

As usual, expectations are high so look forward to see how we navigate this season as we do return many excellent pieces. As others have stated, the transfer bug goes both ways and here again this year it appears we are losing more than we are gaining as a handful of top line players have chosen to leave. Some are understandable with lots of talent but not breaking into the starting or lead role. Others are inexplicable, so will have to see what the summer brings after Spring Football. GO KOWBOYS!!

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BINGO!! So one can extrapolate from your argument that teachers unions are not "Political Friends of the Hacks" in Tally. Rather they are political friends of the hacks trying to replace them there. Finally agree on something and best to leave it there as I am not trying to convince you to change your opinion while at the same time your explanations are falling on deaf ears. Mostly because I trust my EYES more so than my EARS.

Even back in the mid 70's when they took hold in our county I resisted joining due to the political nature of the organization rather than as you rightly point out the lack of focus on the betterment of the students.

I as well as the majority of parents are happy our state legislature isn't pushed around by unions like other states otherwise our school aged kids wouldn't have even been back in the classroom for almost an entire year. So you have a right to bash our lawmakers while I have the right to cheer them on.

Unions aren't about the teachers and working tirelessly for their compensation but most importantly the dues they collect, control and power, just my own opinion. Extracurricular activities whether band, athletics, debate teams, etc.. have a profound impact on the overall development of students thru relationship building, discipline, work ethic and other traits not learned in the classroom and should be compensated as such. Here is a quote I recently saw posted by our HC (football and track) on his FB page who by the way doesn't fit neatly in your PE example as he teaches Special ED but helps support the idea of that value. HIGH SCHOOLS? *Miss a homework assignment? Late is okey. *Fail a test? Just retake it. *Tardy to class? Here is a warning. *Playing on your phone in class? Just put it away. *Didn't make the deadline? It was extended. *Actually get an F? Have your parent call in to take care of it. HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL: *Out of shape from not training? Everybody sees it on the field, IF you get on the field. *Don't know your assignment? Everybody sees the defender fly by you and blow up the play. *Fumble the ball? Instant feedback from everybody and it is often a bit harsh. The high school football field sheds light on the "real" world in so many ways that the general high school experience does not. "Talking the Talk" does not work out there. You must "Walk the Walk" or get punched in the mouth. I LOVE HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL These were his words not mine.

Hope all your innuendo doesn't imply this is a FLORIDA problem, as everything I read says it is a nationwide problem.

Just to be clear, no one was suggesting to base teachers pay on a poll of students. To think that would be "Simple-minded" as you previously suggested. It was simply an observation on the fact that they have that ability to discern, yet the administrator responsible and being compensated for their performance can't or won't. Seems like an oxymoron to me as does the fact most school districts somehow manage to figure out among the thousands of teachers and dozens of separate schools who the "Teacher of the Year" is. The criteria used in this selection process could be used to rate teachers on a three-tier system of above average, average and below average with corresponding compensation. One can come up with all kinds of reasons why it won't work, but it really boils down to the union and teachers themselves. With regards to the coaches pay, I recently read another article in the Orlando Sentinel written by sportswriter Chris Hays that this proposal isn't being considered in this years legislative agenda but not until next year. He does accurately point out that one of the biggest obstacles to overcome is the teachers themselves not wanting to have said coaches compensated properly for the extra work. He states that they would revolt. Sad when you think about it as for years I sit in the stands to many athletic events for OHS and rarely see teachers there to support one of their students or even their school at these activities. Seems like at too many schools whatever we are doing today certainly isn't working.

When I attended school back in the mid 60's as a student we knew who were good teachers and who weren't. When I taught from '74 to '81 that was still true as even the faculty themselves knew. I believe that to be true today (as I have worked as a Sub in recent years) with the only difference I have observed with the passage of time is a higher percentage fall into the lower tier. As a sub, you can generally get a feel how well a classroom is managed as you fill in for those 6 or 7 periods throughout the day. No one is claiming the process would be easy, but I harken back to my childhood as JFK famously told us we were going to the moon, not because it was easy but because it was hard. We can respectfully disagree whether this can be done, but that disagreement doesn't merit your claim someone doesn't know what they are talking about. The fact remains that the job performance in every metric as a nation in K-12 has fallen steadily over decades despite the amount we spend per child compared to other countries. Nothing in my posts on this thread has anything to do with politics, simply wanting just pay for coaches and what they do as well as a way to keep high performing teachers.

Too bad we can't find a way to install a merit based system into these type of municipal/state employees pay plan as some teachers should be making six figures while sadly others are overpaid; same disparity is evident in firefighters, law enforcement, etc... regarding job performance. The private sector as a general rule is merit based and while I believed the same could be done at school, most administrators had the same lame excuse. It was too subjective to determine good teachers from bad, yet the students can tell you but the administrator can not? ..... PITIFULL!! Earlier comments about starting teachers pay in FL getting a bump is correct as they earn more than those in adjoining states, but the pay is pretty much the same at 15 and 30 years for FL, GA, AL, SC, etc... Coaching stipends is a whole nother issue when compared with other states. This pretty much sums up why I left the teaching/coaching profession after 7 years and joined the private sector. Merit (job performance) should mean something.

Definitely needs to pass. The truth is all around us.

Unfortunately, Paul Harvey nor his ilk are no longer with us.

MORE CHAOS!!

Tremendous travesty without a doubt. I spoke about this possibility a couple of years ago when I initially joined this forum and sadly it is coming to fruition and I was hoping so much to be wrong.

If you are so confident in your belief that there are 32-36 teams that actively cheat and therefore are all capable of winning an open division please help me out and name them.

You gotta admit, they have figured out that the QB is the lynchpin for a championship run.