Ray Icaza

Regardless of community support, quality of coaching, strength of booster club or any other impediment HC at every school put in alot of time. The supplement they get is ridiculously low no matter how you look at it. Should definitely be fixed as most make their local community better.

Think most agree with your analysis, but as repeatedly gets pointed out the state law has to change and that wasn't dictated by the FHSAA.

Understood and agree that the FHSAA is at least trying something different over the next couple of years to see if any improvement happens. Also agree as you rightfully have pointed out that they prefer doing it in small increments rather that a massive change where tweaking can be done as we go. The metro poster you are responding to is obviously affiliated with a school that perpetually hasn't experience much success and obviously this change doesn't help them. He makes illogical arguments like labeling "ALL" good programs as cheaters which is insulting, idiotic and hateful while looking for a solution that will just improve his teams chances of winning games. Useless to engage him in any kind of meaningful discussion.

The Noles beat out an Osceola that beat a Palmetto in Miami that had beat out a Columbus. We aren't the whiners albeit some exist in Suburban just like they do in Metro, just some folks not smart enough too figure this simple picture out.

My first sentence makes that pretty clear that both could be elite at the same time. BTW seemed to be able to compete at the level of Central when Ice was there and not so much as of late. Only observation was with Roland gone some of that talent at Central could bleed over to others like NW, Carol City and BTW making them elite again. Time will tell.

Lots of great talent in that area of Miami and Central could certainly continue its dominance. However, a fly in the ointment could be the return of Coach Harris to Booker T making them a dominant program again. Seems like over time as some of the coaches move around you do have some swings in who has the upper hand in the "Transfer Portal".

I will also avoid the snarky retort, but is it possible this announcement by Venice is symbolic in nature to shut up the critics that say top suburban schools are running away and hiding. Seems to me they would understand the implications if this request were granted. Why would they allow them to move up and not allow a Metro program to move down. Sure would put the FHSAA in a bind, so they may know the answer prior to asking the question. Isn't that what good lawyer usually do?

DITTO!

I understand that, but you still haven't refuted the argument of only 1 real champion. Or why 3 is better than 1 or 3 is better than 5. Other than rural schools with population under 500-600 who have a real disadvantage in the age of "SCHOOL CHOICE", enrollment plays almost "ZERO" role in team success. Every team is operating under the same rule regarding transfers so just have a True State Champion.

If 8 was too many, why wouldn't 6 be too many or 4 or even 2. Why not let everyone that wants to compete for a "REAL" state championship voluntarily sign up for that "ONE" division regardless of enrollment, private, public, metro, rural or any other designation. Based on your logic the real champion is a singular team, anything else is a participation trophy. The ones that don't can sign-up in the "PARTICIPATION DIVISION" so they can have their sense of accomplishment.

Smaller classification suburban schools should be ecstatic, as they are the ones getting blown out; so now they have a chance. Last year Venice won 8A. destroying several Metro's in the process making the running away and hiding the ball a farce. Secondly, Pine Forest took Tampa Jesuit to the wire who was probably considered the #1 overall rated team in the state in 6A, while Cocoa also lost in a tight battle against Cardinal Gibbons. Lastly, the geniuses who think Seminole got screwed and should really be a Suburban (I have no opinion either way) seem to have lost their memory that they beat up on those Metro schools and won a championship in 2020. Enough with the fake championship BS as any of these teams and others that happen to be now Suburban are truly deserving to be champions. Not the bottom dwellers in the lower third of a up/down system who would be champions of a group of losers, but they would readily be okay with that.

Looks like our coach has lined up a strong schedule with a nice balance of Metro and Suburban top tier teams outside of what our district will be. He has left openings for up to 5 district opponents but will likely schedule another top tier team if we have a slot that will work. Think the mindset is to challenge for a state championship again just like last year, the year before and the years before that. You have to believe that is possible and work hard towards that goal. Certain things we can't control and senseless to dwell on them rather than what you can do to be competitive with the best. Win, lose or draw we will compete. Smart fans respect that even when you aren't a state champion. Just "Airing It Out" Nulli.

Do you guys have Rockledge scheduled as usual? Do you think that would be an excellent opponent for us in lieu of playing Cocoa?

All powerful points that are easy to verify. But as repeatedly has been stated, the state legislature has rules that specifically prohibit that (public vs private) as a viable solution. Until someone can get in their ear and reverse that ruling we are stuck in this mess which leads to more animosity, finger pointing and idiotic conspiracy theories from the blabbering opponents. The most vociferous tend to represent teams that historically have been weak, currently are weak and will continue to be weak unless the rules are changed for them to play in weak divisions for a title which would give them a "SENSE of ACCOMPLISHMENT". Guess I just wasn't raised with that mindset thus my resistance.

Was really hoping you could unravel this mystery for me and you have come thru in Perspective fashion. Love it.

He really means they are going to put a running clock on them by halftime. He just doesn't get that schools with the superior team don't want to play schools like his as it isn't good for neither. Within the framework everyone has been operating under the only real solution is to get better.

I thought Coach Coe left?

Thanks for putting forth some level headed reasoning in your argument, same as I have so we just need to agree to disagree. Remember, there are approximately 500 high schools so a little Gator math leads me to believe the other 250 are also happy. The other thing we can agree on is the split is pretty clear when most coaches were polled and maybe Joshua has the exact number; if my memory serves me right roughly 80% of Metro's were a NAY while 80% of Suburban's were a YAY. I am convinced that my persuasion has been in vain, hope your Gator education has convinced you of the same.

Perspective, the article on this forum from Joshua does show how some of the board members voted. So it would be a real convoluted Grisham novel to find evil intent from the Lee County Board Member, Ms. Patricca as she was a NO vote. Meanwhile, Ralph Arza former coach, educator and state legislature out of Miami was one of the YES votes. Too complicated a conspiracy for me to understand the ending.

If they don't move into the zoned district for that school they would sit for one year to play sports period, so no determination needed. The fact that they would still choose School Choice with that rule tells you the academics are the reason which is why it should be allowed at any point.

Most will agree that they are one of the most consistently dominant team in Florida. But as others have pointed out, against very good teams you have to still be at your best or you lose. Who thought just last year they would lose to Tampa Jesuit OR in 2018 lose to Lakeland for the championship OR in 2017 lose to WHO? Venice for the championship. No guarantees little fella.

That is an open week of which we tentatively now have 5 left. I do know in talks with our coach he has the other 5 targeted with non district foes plus the spring game, KOC also done and he left remaining weeks to schedule district opponents once those get decided in the next month. This situation with the FHSAA doing this so late is a disaster for all.

Whoaa. Thought for a minute you were really looking for the ultimate test and had scheduled Madison.

We will compete in whatever format is dictated to us as Osceola has seldom had much of a voice in any policy making by the FHSAA. I do not agreed that the bottom third of your plan playing for a championship would beat current regional champs of any of the current classifications as we have a lot of lousy teams out there, so we have a difference of opinion in that regard. As I have repeatedly said, the available options to fix the real problem of TEAM CHOICE (Perspective's term) are non-existent. This plan won't and neither will yours. Yours will make about 250 pitiful programs very happy.

Wow, that is a really good one. If one analyzed the total transfers each and every year which percentage would be higher and would it even be close?