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  1. 21 hours ago, Jesse said:

    So if Wellington thinks cocoa jv what is chaminade bc American heritage has been handing them loss every time.  American was working central the whole game.  If American went undefeated everyone would say they the best. Well they wasn't to far off on the scoreboard.  And I don't like them at all .

    Jesse, one game does not define an entire season. I've been reading your posts and I understand why you keep pushing this narrative of "Madison beat FSU High which beat Trinity Christian which beat American Heritage which beat Chaminade"...which means that if the stars were aligned perfectly then Madison would beat Chaminade. I'm not saying it's impossible...just highly unlikely. Just like the the Chaminade/Berkeley game. Tons of respect for Berkeley, but they were outclassed and were not going to win that game. Same goes for Madison/Chaminade, Madison/Venice, etc.  And considering that Madison barely got past Hawthorne I would expect a little humility on your part rather than casting Madison in with the elite teams in Florida. But maybe it's just me.

  2. 1 hour ago, Ray Icaza said:

    I thought I was clear that the better team won.  That said, if the halftime score was 14-7 Apopka would have at least been within striking distance although it would have been an uphill battle without a doubt.  Going down 21-7 meant they had to abandon the run game which if you even watched Apopka during the regular season they tend to look sluggish then break off a 50 yard run and score.  Even the announcers labeled it a "Back Breaker" knowing Apopka's MO, so yes I did watch the game and so I stand by that description.  My other opinion that differs from yours is that there are more than 3 teams that can hang with Venice.  I thought this forum was designed to express one's views.  You did yours and I did mine, so we can respectfully disagree.

    You should absolutely feel free to express your views and I apologize if I was harsh. Regarding Cocoa, Gibbons and Jesuit: I excluded those 3 teams based on their performance in the playoffs, specifically the championship game. I'm sure I don't need to explain why Jesuit limping to the finish line against nationally unranked Pine Forest does not inspire confidence. And the Cocoa/Gibbons game - which I gladly paid the $9.99 expecting to see the game of the weekend - was such a disappointment. Closely contested? Yes. Played at a high level? Not even close. Thought I was watching a JV game. Both of those teams had close games with Venice earlier in the season. But I don't think either of them could stay within 2 touchdowns if they played Venice now. Just my opinion. That's why I think there are 4 elite FL teams right now: Miami Central, Aquinas, Chaminade, Venice.

  3. 11 hours ago, Ray Icaza said:

    Actually the Venice vs Apopka game was 14-7 going into halftime before the blown call by the official handed Venice a free TD to make it 21-7.  Apopka was limited on offense and that was going to be their demise going into the game, but that call was a back breaker.  Venice is definitely the champ of 8A this year, but at least 3 other teams could hang with them as was proven on the field:  Cocoa, Cardinal Gibbons and Jesuit.

    Ray, did you and I watch the same game? You said that one call was a "back breaker". As if that blown call made the difference in the game. Apopka was not going to win this game. Was their offense ever in the red zone? How many times did their offense even cross the 50 yard line? The only reason Apopka got 7 points is because Venice handed them an early Christmas present on a special teams blunder at their own 10 yard line. Venice won by 4 touchdowns and very nearly started running the clock. Why are we discussing this?!

  4. Jesse, did you actually watch the Venice/Apopka game? Because that game wasn't as close as the 35-7 score. And Apopka is the team that just beat Treasure Coast 21-0.  Right now I think there are probably only 3 teams in Florida that can hang with Venice: Miami Central, Chaminade, and Aquinas. No offense, but your Madison County is nowhere near ready for that type of challenge. 

  5. 1 hour ago, Proseteye said:

    Can anyone believe how difficult it is to do what Jesuit did stopping Pine Forest for 4 downs inside their own 5 yard line twice within the last few minutes of the game. What kind of a tough and disciplined defense is that? And then to have the temerity to score via a passing play to win the game after 4 interceptions against you during the game. Wow.

     

    Temerity is the right word. Exactly what I was thinking at the time. No way I give my sophomore QB the ball after already throwing 4 interceptions. Apparently the coach has a lot more faith in that kid than I had at that point in the game. The guy doing color commentary for Spectrum seemed to think Jesuit was going to run down the clock and kick a field goal to win it...which made sense...but is always risky in high school football...but letting that kid throw the ball was even riskier! Geez. Glad I wasn't really rooting for Jesuit or I probably would have had a stroke. Lol.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

  6. 12 hours ago, JaxTCA2010stateCHAMP said:

    Your not raining on it!!!! Your exactly right trinity plays at the level of there opposition!!!! That’s why they make me mad some games!!! Like when we played Florida high, we should have not lost that game but trinity came out big headed that game a got humbled 

    Trinity deserves a lot of respect for playing such a tough schedule. I'm new to Florida. Why did they move from 3A to 2A? Is it based on enrollment? Will they be in 2A again next year?

  7. 1 hour ago, JaxTCA2010stateCHAMP said:

    Jax TCA dominated the whole game!! It was 34 -15 with 2:40 minutes left in the game and champagnat scored a late td!!! 
    Trinity scores another long td run With 1:50 left in the game 41-23

    Back to back state champs!!!!

    9 all time for Jax TCA 

    I would say you are half correct. It is true that TCA dominated the game. Unfortunately they did not dominate the scoreboard...and that is the only part of the game that matters. To clarify: with 5 minutes left in the 4th quarter the score was 27-15 and Champagnat had the ball at midfield. The game was not over. Yes, the game should have been over. It should have been over before the 4th quarter. So many missed opportunities by TCA. On the one hand I can totally see how TCA was able to beat American Heritage earlier this year by 13 points. But on the other hand I can totally see how they barely managed to escape defeat last week against a sub-par Orlando Christian. They seem to play to the level of their opposition. I picked them to win, I'm happy for them, I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade. But that's how I see it.

  8. On 12/7/2021 at 10:16 AM, Cat_Scratch said:

    Hawthorne has a chance but in my opinion, and knowing Madison, I have Madco winning. You have to know Madison to understand.

    By the way, my brother lives in Madison. Has a farm about 4 or 5 miles east of Madison high school. I visit him 2 or 3 times a year. We do astronomy and it gets very dark out that way.

    Was leaning towards Mad Co in this game because I'm not impressed by Hawthorne's undefeated record. And Mad Co has only given up 6 points in the playoffs which is impressive...BUT...they had two losses earlier in the year against teams they probably should have beaten. Any arguments in favor of Mad Co over Hawthorne?

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    Again, I do not claim to be an expert on FL rankings. But a quick look at RPI reveals a flaw in their algorithm. Too much value is placed on record. In 7A, undefeated Tampa Bay Tech is ranked #1...ahead of 4 nationally-ranked teams (Aquinas, Bucholz, Edgewater and Dillard). Unbeaten does not mean unbeatable. (Mater Dei in CA being a possible exception). In the case of Tampa Bay Tech...it’s more likely that they haven’t lost yet. Here are some other disparities:

    6A: I’ve already mentioned undefeated Dunbar having the 5th highest RPI in the state...and then losing badly in Round 1. And there are 3 more undefeated teams -- Vanguard, Naples, Auburndale -- all with a lower strength-of-schedule and a higher RPI than nationally-ranked Jones and Northwestern.

    5A: One-loss Merritt Island ranked #2...ahead of Miami Central and American Heritage

    4A: undefeated Villages Charter ranked higher than Cardinal Gibbons and Bolles

    3A: One-loss Florida Christian ranked higher than FSU High and Clearwater Central

    2A: undefeated Avante Garde ranked higher than Trinity Christian and Champagnat Catholic

    Personally, I don’t care about a team’s record. I care about the opposition they’ve faced. Having said that...if Naples beats Northwestern this weekend then I may have to revise my own algorithm. Lol.

  10. Of the 100 or so games played last night it would appear that there were 28 upsets...based on FHSAA seeding (a lower seed beating a higher seed). But if we use a more reliable measurement...MaxPreps' rating...we see that there were only about 12 upsets. I'm new to Florida, so maybe someone can justify the use of FHSAA data? Including RPI? Dunbar losing decisively looks especially bad for the FHSAA...who have them ranked #5 in the entire state (ahead of Aquinas, Jesuit, Venice, Gibbons, Central, etc.) One more fun fact before I go: Northwestern is ranked #85 in the state (using RPI) but they are ranked #78 in the entire country by MaxPreps. If you can make sense of that then you are smarter than me. Lol. 

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