Hwy17
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Florida is and always has been a low wage state, thanks in part to retirees who make up a significant portion of our population. The economy here is heavily service industry type jobs. Outside of healthcare related services, there just aren't that many high paying jobs. I tell people this when they first move here, don't be surprised to find the checkout clerk at the grocery store has a degree. It's been this way my whole life and I don't see it changing anytime soon. While I believe most people agree teacher salaries are low, in many parts of the state, it's above the average.
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3 hours ago, nolebull813 said:
17 games against non-district games. 9 away, 8 home
Durant at Lake Gibson
Lennard at Pasco
Robinson at Seminole
Spoto at Davenport
Sumner at Bartram Trail
Riverview at Sarasota Riverview
Steinbrenner at River Ridge
Hillsborough at Columbia
Tampa Bay Tech at Venice
Palmetto at AlonsoOviedo at Sickles
Lakeland at Sumner
Palmetto at Newsome
Cardinal Mooney at Leto
Cardinal Mooney at Chamberlain
Jenkins at Jefferson
Fort Meade at Freedom
What week is Fort Meade playing Freedom?
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2 hours ago, Floridaatlantic1 said:
I am sure some kids choose to play for the powers. However, it seems that today, many coaches and players recruit the players from other schools and never get punished for it. You have coaches liking players on social media and not a darn thing happens to them. CHEATERS. Lakeland can play with anybody when they get transfers but when they were limited after probation, they were just another average team. Need an open division with about 36 teams and that would force the powers to beat each other up. Pick on someone their own size.
I see this happening on more than one occasion: One player transfers from school A to school B. Next thing you know, there's a mass exodus from school A to school B. Why's that? Did all those kids move? Is the new coach at school B a former coach at school A ?(Usually it is). Now school A is having trouble competing while school B is all of a sudden the new powerhouse.
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1 hour ago, Longtime Observer said:
What is often missed in these discussions is the fact that, almost always, players/families CHOOSE to play for the powers. We see families pick up and move to a new area just so their kid can play for a particular program. Or, they willingly commute a further distance to play for a preferred program. This narrative of there being bad guys at a few programs going out and rounding up all the best players through bribes or coercion is silly.
Players seek the best opportunities for themselves, just like they do when they pick a college to play for. No one expects college teams to end up with equal talent. No one sees Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State etc ending up with a disproportionate share of talent and thinks 'Gosh, they HAD to have cheated. How else would they get all those good players?" Those programs have a proven record of success, and players often seek THEM out. For some reason, when it comes to high school, people get up in arms if a handful of programs end up with the best players. They demand an equal share of talent for high schools. This despite the fact that they do NOT think this way when it comes to other areas like academics or the arts. No one begrudges the parents who seek residency in the zone of top academic schools. No one accuses the top academic schools of "cheating" when they end up with a disproportionate share of motivated and/or gifted students. The logical inconsistency is amusing and annoying.
First off, comparing high school athletics to college is an apple to an orange. Colleges are supposed to recruit as they offer scholarships for coming to play for them.
Secondly, the purpose of school choice was started for academic purposes, so parents can find the best option for their children. I personally support the concept, but what we see happening with athletics wasn't what school choice was intended for.
As I stated earlier, I have no problem with a transfer when there is indeed a legitimate move. But what I have observed is certain schools poaching players from neighboring schools through one tactic or another.
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9 hours ago, SportsFan said:
I would definitely like to see everyone long term breakaway and form a new association as the FHSAA is clearly not looking out for the best interests of the majority of athletes coaches and schools in the state and are catering to a few instead of the whole picture
Sadly I think some schools have too much pride to go independent and would stay in a screwed system then be successful in a competitive one
I don't know how it works in those counties with a centralized athletic department, like Hillsborough. Does a school have to get permission from their school board to go independent?
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Also I think the biggest loosers are the bottom feeder programs in metro areas.
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20 minutes ago, SportsFan said:
But the state under the current political leadership will never reverse that law so if it's clear the current law kills parity wouldn't it make sense to adjust how teams are classified to match the changing times?
Which is why I'm in favor of leaving the FHSAA and going independent or forming another association
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15 minutes ago, SportsFan said:
You do realize Central won their first state title in 2010
2 of those 3 teams had won titles before 2010 so I don't necessarily see what your trying to get to with that by excluding the one public school in the list
The difference now is under the current state law teams public or private are pulling from entire county so no rural team will ever compete with a school at that level again because they are pulling the top talent in a county of 2-3 million people
How exactly is a team like Baker County or Columbia or Suwannee supposed to realistically compete with those type of teams pulling from a county of 50k people
It's not realistic no matter how many ways we try and twist it or how many ways the FHSAA chooses to pretend to be braindead and not know what's going on
Point is you can see we had parity before the current law. Rural schools aren't scared to play schools from metro areas when there was a level playing field.
There's this myth that South Florida has always been the dominant area of the state when it comes to football. That's not exactly true. STA use to get to the championship but typically they'd lose. AHP use to never get past the first round, neither could Cardinal Gibbons. And other than 2004, I can't remember when Chaminade was all that. In fact the rise of these programs has been at the expense of other schools down there which are really struggling .
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6 hours ago, SportsFan said:
The type of teams who can only win state titles by loading up on transfers to face clearly inferior competition
Sure teams like Central STA AHP and Chaminade probably win titles regardless of who they gotta play but some those second tier metro teams know they can only win if they get some outmatched rural team in the title game
Prior to 2010 how many titles did STA, AHP or Chaminade win? Likewise how many titles were won by some of those rural teams?
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Here's an article from 2020. It seems to me that FHSAA is quick to throw the book at some schools while turning a blind eye to others.
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On 2/7/2024 at 2:37 PM, nolebull813 said:
What I’m trying to say is the metro/suburban split was supposed to give the suburban teams an easier path where they didn’t have to compete against those mean ole metro teams but Venice crushed the narrative.
I never have had a problem when there is a legitimate bona fide move.
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53 minutes ago, h8r said:
system,
i didnt think the metro suburban deal was that awful, who was in those seperated classes, thats a different story. if they would have truly used county population, maybe it would have worked better. I dont think coaches minded it to be honest. what if they would have used school district size instead of county population? how would that have changed things?
I do think the move up move down every cycle would be something intriguing for sure, be pretty awesome to see some teams that pad the record with "bum wins" get moved up to a tougher division and those who dont belong, get moved down. cut back to like 4 classes with 1 or 2 open division classes-
the district sceneiro of no scheduled games really made some sense, the district title championship weeks was pretty interesting and could have been something they could market for sure, however, teams all having a bye week 9 and then trying to find games weeks 10 and 11 would have been impossible for most. keeping the kids locked in for those 2 weeks would also have been impossible.
how would the rivalry weeks go? most teams play that week 11, what happens if team A is in dist title game, etc. so i can see why they squashed it.
something has to be done, nobody will agree with anyones plans, im not smart enough to come up with the actual plan and dont have nearly the time to make it work correctly.
Get rid of classification, districts, etc. Allow schools to play up to 12 regular season games, all games count so no more kick off classics. Make your schedule as difficult or easy as you want. Use a power ranking system based on SOS to rank all teams. The top 8 make the playoffs. Everyone else with 8 or more wins get a bowl game against a similarly ranked opponent.
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12 minutes ago, Dr. D said:
My bad. There were 484 teams after the "initial" FHSAA reclassification in December, and now there are 471 teams in the final reclassification. So a net loss of 13 teams. Not exactly a tidal wave of teams leaving the FHSAA, more of a trickle. So either schools are happy with the current situation, don't see a viable alternative, or just don't care. Doesn't seem like enough movement to gain the attention of the FHSAA.
Under the delusion that they don't have an alternative or school district won't let them seek an alternative
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1 hour ago, nolebull813 said:
We should have 2 state associations with the teams split.
one is for “FBS” type teams
one is for “FCS” type teams
we kinda have that now (FHSAA and SSAA) but not close to where it should be. The SSAA needs about 250 more teams and this would be perfect.
Many years ago high school football in Florida was similar to college football. A group of schools would form a conference and compete for a conference championship. At the end of the year we played bowl games.
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35 minutes ago, nolebull813 said:
It is a joke but the reason it’s a joke is because the amount of teams that went independent (which I love) still didn’t persuade these clowns to cut a classification and make sure there are no 2 and 3 team districts.
Any system that has 2 and 3 team districts is already dead on arrival. The FHSAA needs to dissolve
I saw yesterday that Frostproof is going independent and joining the SSAC. I wonder who will be next.
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1 hour ago, Manatee Magic said:
And they'll still get beat by Palmetto.
You are aware we beat them 20 years straight
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55 minutes ago, Perspective said:
All kidding aside (if that can even be described as "kidding"), here's the problem that high school coaches face: if their team has had a successful run, and then they have a "down year," there's a good chance all the good players who would otherwise be returning and/or beginning their high school career at that school will jump ship and transfer. One down year leads to two or three and next thing you know, you're one of the "have nots" and you're trying to rebuild your program all over again.
47 minutes ago, Dr. D said:And the coach is looking for a new job.
So the only other option is to schedule easy teams, produce a winning season but get killed in the playoffs.
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58 minutes ago, Perspective said:
I agree. Peacock doesn't.
Goes back before Peacock.
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Given all the millions Hardee gets from Mosaic they could be the next super team.
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On 1/6/2024 at 11:14 AM, h8r said:
there are alot of public schools in the atlantic portion.
Cocoa Beach 0 0 0 .000 - 0 Interlachen 0 0 0 .000 - 0 Paxon 0 0 0 .000 - 0 Stanton 0 0 0 .000 - 0 Space Coast 0 0 0 .000 - 0 Tradition Prep 0 0 0 .000 - 0 Lake Weir 0 0 0 .000 - 0 Sebastian River 0 0 0 .000 - 0 Bronson 0 0 0 .000 - 0 Bell High 0 0 0 .000 - 0 Coral Springs Charter I think sebastian river won this "state title" last year.
can clearly see why,
I can also see why some independent teams would benefit going to this.
as a large public high school, the aura of a state championship is way to alluring.
but lets be serious,,,, to win the "atlantic" state championship of the ssac is comical.
So how does SSAC determine their divisions or classifications?
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Hardee is looking for a head coach too.
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On 12/21/2023 at 8:32 PM, gatorman-uf said:
Southeast - Curt Bradley
Leading to a vacancy at Braden RiverHopefully he gets that program turned around
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1 hour ago, CoachGraham said:
1. They do.
2. Not anymore.
3. That is similar to what the SSAC does. Issue would be if you didn't follow the FHSAA rules then you wouldn't be eligible for postseason play, but some schools do it this way and are a part of the SSAC and the FHSAA. Although we probably would benefit from another/bigger association.
You beat me to it. But isn't SSAC all small private schools that didn't want to be part of the old class 2A? Would they allow publics to join ? I was suggesting 400+ schools going independent, play 10 games and maybe a bowl. Make Chaminades and STAs play each other.
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Agree with what you think mostly, except I'd use a 4 year average and only move the top team in each region up and bottom team in each region down based on that average. I think 4 years gives a better overall picture of a program.