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1 hour ago, BigSandwich said:
So....Head to head determines #1 in district.
Potentially, a head to head would not determine 2?
Correct. Several cases of that this year.
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18 minutes ago, Sharkbait said:
By defeating Robert F Monroe 49-8 the Franklin County Seahawks have recorded the first winning season in school history. Congratulations to Coach Tony Yeomans and crew for a great season. I am very happy for the players and community to be able to enjoy this success.
That is a great accomplishment. Hopefully, they can build on it in the future.
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5 minutes ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:
What are Florida's oldest rivalries?
I am pretty sure Columbia has a few.
In Central Florida I can think of: Seminole/Deland as a very old rivalry. Apopka/Winter Garden (currently represented by West Orange) is also pretty old; as is Mainland/Seabreeze.
Old, but more recent, would be: Edgewater/Boone and Jones/Oakridge, as well as Lake Brantley/Lake Mary.
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7 minutes ago, 941football said:
Looks like Viera has Lakeland and Plant in that region. May have to play both to get out. I don't follow them so my question is it possible ?
Viera took Cocoa to the limit and lost a game they could easily have won. I am pretty sure they are better than Plant. Lakeland/Viera would be an interesting game.
If the 7A winner is any team other than St. Thomas, that team will end up high on the National Rankings at the end of the season. It seemed to me that the posts above were somewhat jumping the gun.
People often forget that a High School National Title is a fiction anyway. There is not enough connectivity among the teams in the USA to properly evaluate and rank them. I do agree that sometimes there is one team that stands out. However, to come up with 10, 25, 50 or 100 teams in order, is a fiction. But it is the way we are. We strive to quantify that which cannot be accurately quantified.
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8 hours ago, Bamarod said:
Wow, just looked Gonzaga dropped 61 spots for losing to a very good Good Counsel team. Rated #269 now with a 7-2 record. Guess this happens in D.C. every year, they all beat up on each other and brings schools like Viera down with them.
Gonzaga plays St Johns (rated #66 by maxpreps) this week. If Gonzaga wins it should make them #1 in Maryland so our SOS should rise again, IF they win.
Keep thinking of what if... in the Cocoa game. Two missed field goals, dropped balls, prayer answered on botched hold in 2OT for Cocoa. Also hurricanes costing us games against MI and Osceola. A special season could of been even more so.
Viera should focus on winning a state title. Being in 7A, if you do that the National Ranking, (since the 7A path is tough and could involve beating St. Thomas), will take care of itself. Lose and you have no basis to complain. Viera is a good team. How good is yet to be determined.
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35 minutes ago, Tigers2017 said:
Gonzaga plays St Johns this week???
Yes.
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6 minutes ago, badbird said:
I am going to Lake Mary vs Winter Park but I think Edgewater/Boone will have a better atmosphere and probably a more exciting game because of the intense rivalry. I have yet to see Lake Mary in person but have seen them on film a few times. If the Lake Mary/Winter park game is out of hand or boring I might catch the second half of Edgewater/Boone.
I was debating between the two. I have not seen Winter Park live since the Spring game against DP. But I will stick to the one I go to. Too much distance between the two venues. Both have the potential to be very good games. I feel more assured that the Edg/Boone will be intense because it's an historic rivalry.
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1 hour ago, badbird said:
Big game to decide playoff seeds in multiple regions and classes. It is very important for 8A Region 1 as Boone could move up to the 6 seed or possibly the 5 seed. They could also drop all the way to the 8 seed. Edgewater probably moves to the #1 seed in 7A Region 1 with a win which would be an amazing turn around from 0-10. Columbiafan should be rooting for this as Columbia will get Lincoln round 1 and Edgewater round 2 and avoid playing both Bartram Trail and Lee. It looks like we might be hearing from Columbiafan deep in the playoffs. I actually like Boone to win this game but think it will be very very close. Boone has a great kicker that has hit from over 50. It might come down to that. Boone 24-21
This game has a lot of tradition. I believe this is the 65th edition. Boone and Edgewater resulted from the separation of Orlando High into two schools in the early 1950s. It's been a big rivalry ever since and has had its fair share of upsets and down to the wire games.
I may take this one in tomorrow.
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12 hours ago, SportsNut25 said:
Thread locks Friday, Nov. 3 at 3p ET. Only use this thread to submit your picks.
Raines at Ribault
Niceville at Navarre
Chipley at Holmes County
Tampa Catholic at Jesuit
Columbia at Bolles
Dunbar at Fort Myers
Madison County at Rickards
Merritt Island at Sebring
Miramar at St. Thomas Aquinas
Pahokee at Glades CentralPicks in bold
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1 hour ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:
That would be good with me i just wouldn't want selection committee because those would be prone to favoritism
I agree with you. I would want something that is simple and transparent and not done behind closed doors.
I do realize that there are some advantages to this new system. However, a number of troubling things have come up as the season as played out. While I am glad Apopka is in the playoffs, it does trouble me that they lost the head to head against West Orange and finished behind them in district ... and yet ... West Orange is on the outside looking in while Apopka's playoff spot is secure barring some other teams we beat having ineligible players or some such event ...
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Just now, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:
Question is if we took points out who gets wild card spots?
It could be based on several things. Best records in Region (for teams that did not automatically qualify) would be the simplest.
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1 minute ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:
If my team did that i would be embarrassed
Luckily i know our coaches are as competitive as i am so they want to win every game we play
Columbia may not. But I can guarantee you some teams will. Relationships among coaches will also influence some late season games. Never underestimate the lure of gaming a system when the opportunity presents itself. At first I was a proponent of the new system. However, now, the more I think about it, the more I would support a modified district system. Perhaps we could mandate, in the larger classes, that each district have at least six teams. Perhaps we could only guarantee a playoff spot for the district winner in three or four team districts with a wildcard determining the other spot(s) in the region.
The problem I am now having with the new system is that it could fast devolve into a labyrinth like our current Federal Income Tax system. That would not be a good thing!
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46 minutes ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:
Exactly past years people could rest starters week 11 bc it didn't matter unless you play rivarly game that week
Depending on who you want to play; or who you want a key opponent to play, it may still be in your best interest to rest starters as Bad Bird has pointed out.
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9 hours ago, Proseteye said:
Can someone explain to me the benefit of this new point system? One could easily understand the old district system. You won your district by defeating more teams in the district than the other teams. The runner-up defeated more teams in the district with the exception of the winner of the district. Now you have to be a mathematician. I think that now it takes all of the fun out of it. We currently have calculations instead of fun.
You don't have to be a mathematician. However, you have to carefully track your team and all of your district/region and opponents. You will really need to do this each week (but especially from mid season on) in order to know what you need to do to maintain your playoff chances unless you are: undefeated or have no chance at the playoffs, in which case it would not matter.
It also creates situations where you can game the system towards the end of the season to possibly keep teams out/let teams in the playoffs (or move around their rankings), so as to create a more favorable playoff scenario for your team.
Overall, I am now in the camp that believes this system creates more issues than it solved. We should probably go back to a district system, modified to address some of the problems of the old one, such as three team districts and the like.
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My spread was 36 points (49-13). The final was 30 points (36-6). Dillard did play a great first half. But in the second half, they did not score again. I am not going to argue over the officiating as I was not there. But Dillard's failure to score in the second half continues a pattern against good teams. My feeling is that in the playoffs, Dillard keeps it close against their 6A, 16 opponent for a half and then lets the game get away in the second half.
Hope I am wrong as I would like Dillard to win a few playoff games. But the burden is on Dillard to show they can play a complete game against great competition.
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Aside from Southeast, none of these teams have had a good season. Wonder what the ineligibility involved at each school.
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Your assessment is a good one. VB has two things going for it this year. 1. Overall, as you pretty much said, the team is probably a bit better than it has been the past four or five years. 2. While there are several good 8A teams in both the North and South brackets that will extend VB, there is no one team that is a clear cut favorite against them.
At this stage, going into the playoffs, I would assess VB's chances to be as good as any of the other 8A teams considered State contenders. Will they win it all? Only time will tell.
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6 hours ago, DB4 said:
The 4 teams Dr Krop beat have something like 7 combined wins. They're in the second-weakest 8A district in the region (only the district with Belen, Varela, Ferguson, etc is weaker).
VB did what they were supposed to do tonight: beat up on a weaker opponent. It would probably be a good game if VB played someone like Columbus, Deerfield, Miramar, etc in the playoffs.
That would be the State Championship game if Vero makes it.
To do so they would need to beat some combination of: Dr. Phillips/Osceola/Riverview, in the Regionals; and Winter Park/Apopka/Wekiva/Seminole/Flagler in the Semi Finals.
This is doable for Vero, but by no means guaranteed. We will know a lot more about where Vero Beach stands in the playoffs. From watching them on film, I think this is their best chance in several years. However, it will not be a cakewalk as many good teams stand in their way from the regional tournament all the way to the State Championship game.
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Just now, FloTech said:
Truueeee but I hear that this game could cost us a round in the playoffs
It could reduce final point averages which could potentially mean a road game instead of a home game if you lose the number 1 seed in the region.
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16 minutes ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:
Sounds like a competitive game
The first half was. The question is:will Dillard fold in the second half as they have done against some of the better teams they have played this season? If they don't that would be a step in the right direction for Dillard as the playoffs loom.
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3 minutes ago, FloTech said:
Vero alumni and fans dont look at who a team has played or beat they just get caught up in the record and Olympic Heights is missing the playoffs again this year.....
Vero has a shot this year. But if fans look at Krop, they are missing the big picture. If and when Vero knocks off Osceola and/or Dr. Phillips, then we will be in a much better position to determine where Vero stands in the State Championship picture.
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28 minutes ago, roygod said:
Vero Beach wins big again 51-0 . With a running clock and second string the entire 2nd half. Dr. Krop had won four games in the Miami area and I thought they would give us a decent game. I'm really starting to believe in this Vero team. One more season game this Friday against our county rival Sebastian Rive.
Vero Beach is a very good team. However, I would not read much into the Dr. Krop victory. Krop's victories were against mediocre to bad competition if you check out their opponents records.
Much better benchmarks to measure Vero by would be the out of state victory against Oscar Smith and the victory against Viera in the KOC. Even the Olympic Heights victory would in my books be a better benchmark than Krop. Not all South Florida teams are good. In fact, South Florida tends to have some very good to great teams and a lot of mediocre ones. Krop falls in the mediocre category which is a bit surprising considering that they would potentially draw from the same talent pool as Norland, Carol City, Hallandale, and North Miami Beach which all have or have had good teams.
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23 minutes ago, badbird said:
might get 1 a year lol
Maybe I am thinking back to my Jamaica days. Back then more than a few football (soccer) and cricket players were Rhodes Scholars. One of them captained a team that won the National Championship my senior year in high school. Two others went on to play on a Columbia University team that lost a National Title game against Virginia. One of the two, Kingsley Chin, is now a renowned Orthopedic Surgeon in the USA.
Vero will be hosting Olympia next week
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No. I think Olympia scores at least once. The QB is a Michigan commit and is pretty good. They just don't have the depth to compete with VB over four quarters.
I think the final score will be something like VB 42 to 49 Olympia 10 to 14.