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16 hours ago, KeyserSoze1 said:
he wasn't fired just because he liked a tweet.
the only people who think that are those that don't know anything about peacock's career.
call em like its printed in black and white.
was there some issues a couple years back, yep
was there some issues several years back, yep.
but, the former ADMIN, didnt think it warranted him being fired.
apparently the current one thinks liking a tweet and the race card that really was played, when it shouldnt have imo, justifies firing him.
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way it reads imo
braden river was running illegal practices, venice coach turned them in. he liked a tweet that made fun of the braden river coach(sticks and stones?) and the butt hurt and heavily fined braden river guy turns the tables and pulls the race card out.
was told a 2 year old admin staff is at venice, peacock has been there for how long? 15+ years? if that is the case, the new admin have zero ties to him and firing him was easy.
im sure there is alot more to the story and there is always 3 sides, yours mine and the truth. but gimmie a break. its all of what @footballfan56 said above, ridiculous....
i hate social media, it absolutely will ruin a kid, parent, coach, family, team, school, president, life....its completely worthless in my honest opinion. none of those things should be free. should pay for it and watch it go away.
i dont like seeing what you ate for dinner, your dog chasing its tail, where your at/what themepark, what your watching on tv, what bible verse you are pushing out, who got 1st place in your karate tourney and on and on and on.
rant over.
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On 3/16/2018 at 2:46 PM, Proseteye said:
Normally, when the HC goes, do some or all of the assistants also leave? I imagine that the assistants leaving may in many cases be a bigger loss than the HC. Since I'm of the opinion that 80% of the success of a team is the coaching and not the players, losing a HC and let's say a bang up DC could cripple a team that depends a great deal on defense.
i think alot of that depends on a couple factors.
did the HC bring coaches with him(not always the case, sometimes principals will work with new HC and get his guys in the building, sometimes).
if the HC did get a few guys in, but there are holdovers from a previous staff, those guys are not leaving. unless its a GA, TX, SC job where the pay is worth the move.
a HC leaving and taking his staff will absolutely cripple a school. although I dont necessarily agree with the 80%. maybe 50-60%. but thats not important. jimmies and joes are better than anything, still need a good coach to make jimmie and joe GO. saw a school locally go 6-4 1 year, lose in round 1 of the playoffs, graduate alot and the coach leaves. new guy comes in and new staff(majority of them were new) and he goes 9-2, with lesser talent, but more structure, attention to detail, etc...so yes i do agree it matters on the coach alot.
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2 hours ago, Proseteye said:
Is there normally this much activity with coaches departing and coming in Florida schools? If the activity is more this year than in the past what do you feel is the reason for it? Are the coaches getting just like the players, moving all over the place on a whim?
the pay sucks and its not a factor til you see georgia, south carolina, some of alabama and texas coaches making 100k a year and dont teach, much if any.
the admin is either focused on band and the fine arts and dont care about athletics so there is no support....
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the admin is overly focused on athletics/football and after 2 years they want a new coach because you didnt win enough.
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the admin changes every 2 or 3 years, new principal/ad that didnt hire the fb coach and his staff wants his own people in there....
the days of staying at 1 spot for 10-15-20 years are over. partly because of the admin moving around so much, the other part coaches are scared to death to stay very long for those above reasons. better to quit a job than get fired. sometimes.
my thoughts.
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didnt the best rugby player a couple years ago, make the 49ers? cant think of his name, now I have to look it up
jarrod hayne. played a little bit, wasnt bad in preseason, quit after a year-said he didnt want to learn a new playbook. back to rugby,
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had 1 school pay for clinics, had 1 school give me "official days off" for them too. didnt have to use my own days to take.
another school, paid a per diem per day per coach for the clinics, but would not pay for the clinic, hotel, etc.. and we had to take our own personal days off.
i think it varies from AD to AD/School to school. Can understand why a school wouldnt pay or give you the temp duty elsewhere day off. if football does it, then all the sports get it too. b4 you know it every sport is taking clinic days.
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9 hours ago, Nolestrong said:
Dawg don't throw stones. Always talking about kids that come to OHS, look at the kids that transferred out of OHS this past year. 3 left to go to St.Cloud, and started (2 DE, 1 LB), 3 went to Liberty (1 QB, 1 WR, 1 DB), (3 to Orlando schools), (1 to gateway). Name the 4-6 each year that came from Liberty?
i edited what I said. the 4-6 now says WINS, as that is what I was implying.
those kids yall lost, the stc kids were alright, but did any of the other kids actually play? the 200 kids you lose to toho, how many will be football players? and now, how many will be quality football players. not jersey wearers...
anyone with any knowledge of osceola schools knows its ohs getting kids and everyone else scrambling not to lose them. its always been that way. kids zoned for gateway and somehow they end up at "auntie" address and they play ball there. even though they live in marisol or BVL.
is what it is....happens in every county. dont get butt hurt about it.
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On 3/1/2018 at 8:13 AM, OldSchoolLion said:
East Central FL-18
03 Celebration 1 winning season in past 14-best kids go sit the bench at ohs. a bit different group of kids that live in that area. not necessarily athletes. they did win a bit few years back, coach kept decent kids, they work hard and some basketball kids played.
92 Cypress Creek 12-41 in last 5 season best players go to DP and watch from the stands on friday nights. now their best kids go to freedom. they are similar to colonial, not a football school. cant keep a coach longer than 3-4 years. cant build.
09 East River east orlando has alot of tough kids, the area is expanding, timber creek and avalon is busting at the seams. 1 of 2 open enrollment schools in orlando right now. they were pretty good for a few years with rankin, then fell apart, but last 2 have been solid seasons. they still havent beat TC on the field.
03 Freedom/Orlando 14-37-1 in last 5 seasons. before andy johnson left, they were a solid mid level team, not DP(where their best kids go to be back ups and 3rd stringers) but not bottom of the barrell. he was a good coach and had a solid staff. revolving door of coaches the last 5 years.
05 Hagerty solid program, coach Ziglar does a great job getting the most out of lesser athletes.
04 Harmony inconsistent-was really good after year 1 there. a fantastic coaching staff, the andersons were very innovative in their o/d philosophy. when they left, so did the program.
09 Heritage-some real good coaches and players almost every year there.
09 Lake Nona -consistent, coach has been there for quite a while, some real good players have moved in and thrived in the pass happy offense
07 Liberty only one winning season in 11 years. alot of really good players, most of the studs run track only. best FB players go to ohs. 4-6 wins almost every single year, with talent to win more yearly.
01 Olympia has done reasonably well west orlando schools are full of football players. put a good scheme on the field and some decent coaching and you can win 6 games yearly there.
94 Pine ridge only 2 winning seasons in past 14 in the absolute middle of nowhere. their studs go to mainland, deland, anywhere but osteen high school. revolving door of coaches
91 Poinciana 0 winning seasons in last 14 cullison won there, how? he got kids to stay at the school. liberty takes anyone that is a football player, their kids cant play at ohs. another revolving door of coaches 1,2,3 and out.
01 Space Coast inconsistent dont hear much, but i would say its pretty close to the other schools locally. titusville, cocoa, astronaut. im sure their best kids go to those schools.
01 Timber Creek only 1 head coach in history of the school. they run the same boring offense, i formation, fb trap and some single wing everyone calls bull and bear. but, they win 5-9 games a year. east orlando loaded with talent, TC pop warner program is a sight to see on practice days, 1k kids running around their field. all in barney purple...
06 Viera state finalist-dont know much about them, other than they win every year. their head coach left to be the AD at the new osceola school
07 Wekiva-4-6 wins yearly, til last year. new coaching staff 2 seasons ago has put a great product on the field. guys before couldnt keep their kids from going to apopka. now, bedsem is getting kids from apk.
97 Winter Springs 15-38 in past 5 seasons-their best kids was going to lake mary or oviedo. and many still do. another revolving door of coaches the last few years.
17 Windermere(7A) went 0-10 in initial season and scored a total of 7 points all season-i dont think they got the right kids from west orange. if they offered wood shop, the kids at WO would have to go, untill then,,,,,they wont win for awhile.
can only speak on them, as thats where ive been the longest in fl. my thoughts in red
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11 hours ago, OldSchoolLion said:
...curiosity got the best of me. Looked at the performance of all of those newer teams in Orlando. East River and Lake Nona are doing reasonably well, but the others have really struggled to get traction. And with the other 3 likely district winners in the region Viera, Plant, and Lakeland...good luck. Any reason why East River and Lake Nona have gotten traction?
Gateway finally strung together a few winning seasons and now losing possible talent. If growth continues in central FL at this rate, can you imagine what it will look like in 20 years?
03 Celebration(7A) went 1-9 in 2017. Except for win against Windermere, scored 6 points total in other 9 games.
09 East River(7A) went 9-2 in 2017...trending in right direction.
03 Freedom(8A) 14-37-1 in last 5 seasons.
04 Harmony(7A) has been inconsistent since opening.
09 Lake Nona(7A) has shown ability to string together winning seasons.
07 Liberty(7A) only one winning season in 11 years.
17 Windermere(7A) went 0-10 in 2017 and scored a total of 7 points all season.
my best guess on east river has been the east orlando talent in that area. timber creek is always decent to good. and that area is growing like a weed. some good coaches have gone thru east river(and a couple poor ones, but thats another deal). Their 9-2 last year, regardless of the schedule, is still 9-2. they are 1 of 2 open enrollment schools in orange county. but you doubt that a west side kid would drive all the way to bithlo.
lake nona, has to be paradiso. dude knows how to get the best out of his qbs. the tall kid they had last 2 years wasnt a great passer so they ran some single wing type stuff(like timber creek did with patrick). kid they have now at qb is a darin slack prodigy. he can flat out sling it. and of course some WR know they will throw it 30-40-50 times a game so they want to be at nona.
gateway finally got some kids to stay home and not go to ohs, but with re zone, idk how much it hurts them.
freedoms best kids leave to DP's bench yearly.
harmony was bad for a couple years, but showed life last year and are young.
liberty hasnt been good since doug nichols was the coach when they first opened. but they do have the original principal back in there now. gary preisser.
the rest,,,,you said it best. in con sis tent.
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maybe it was 99, sucks getting old. i know ed went 6-4 1 year at colonial, they should have built a statue of him for pulling that stunt. breitbel went 5-5 1 year too. a 2nd statute for him. all kinds of good looking kids have gone thru that school. but never enough.
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alot of the problems in orange and osceola county is this,
kids would rather go be a back up at _ _ _ _ _ than lose games at _ _ _ _ _.
easy example, as it sticks out in my head and never made sense to me as to why.
the kelly kid from gateway/osceola. kelly was 2.5 year starter, led gatewy in rushing and helped them to their first playoff birth ever. he was their stud, lots of touches, etc.... for some reason he leaves there his sr year to osceola. and is a back up, limited touches all year. sure they run flexbone and guys mix and match carries as coach nicholls does a great job, but he wasnt necessarily good enough to steal a large amount. at gateway he would have gotten 20 a game, ohs 3-7 per.
orange isnt alot different. kids move around alot.
ADs/principals for some reason think this is college ball and if you change the head of the show, the program will change. maybe a bit. but if you dont let him stay for 5+, what justice are you doing the kids/program/community.
a school in orange just lost a coach who left for a better job. he did an ok job there too. they will hire a new guy, not change 1 assistant and the results will be similar or worse. 3 years later hes out.
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1 hour ago, OldSchoolLion said:
I mentioned St Cloud along with those others just to say that there is already an old program that doen't appear to have the talent to run deep in the playoffs and now all of these other schools have popped up, potentially diluting things.
..dropping to 6A...that would be interesting. I don't believe there are currently any schools from Orange or Osceola Counties in 6A. Could be wrong.
i see what you mean old school.
yea st cloud is losing around 600 kids and not getting anything back, from what i was told. gateway losing around 1k. harmony 2-300. the new school is opening and playing in st cloud district(7a) that district is HUGE!!! they just added windermere last fall, now toho.
liberty, celebration, lake nona, windermere, east river, st cloud, toho, harmony. kinda ruins some non district scheduling for everyone.
i would assume that in the next redistrict a couple of those schools are gone, doesnt make much sense to be looped together. east river could easily be in the hagerty district and take out west port and east ridge. nona goes to 8a. windermere too. toho probably stays in that grouping, st cloud petitions up to it and i bet gateway tries to get in it as well.
it will be completely up for grabs if that happens
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23 minutes ago, OldSchoolLion said:
It seems like there have been so many newer schools in Osceola County in the recent past... Liberty, Harmony, Gateway, Celebration. Along with St Cloud, am not sure any of them have set the world on fire. Does a new school like this really have a reasonable chance of building a winner or is the talent in the area getting diluted.
st cloud is defintely not a new school.
gateway was built in '85
harmony in 04
celebration around the same time.
liberty was the last new school built there.
this toho school was supposed to open 8 or 9 years ago to help with the infusion of students. but the 08 bottom falling out of the economy put it in holding pattern. st cloud was renovated to hold 2100 kids, when the enrollment was already 1900. they built a new building at gateway and removed some portables, wasnt enough. they are busting at the seams.
what they did with the rezone lines is what is pure shock. moved the "BVL" off gateway to the new school, and gave gateway remington neighboorhood back(which has gone to st cloud for about 10 years).
funny how they did nothing to OHS and their zone.....st cloud could drop to 6a, as could gateway in the next redistrict.
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colonial has not made the playoffs in the last 14 years, the last time they made the playoffs was 1998, under Ed Kowsha.
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4 hours ago, DarterBlue2 said:
I am a little surprised that Cypress Creek High opened in 1988 (it could have been 1989), does not appear on this list. I am pretty sure that in the past 19 seasons they have made the playoffs just once (with either a 5/5 or 6/4 record). And I doubt that in the first 10 years of its existence its record was any better. Things got worse when Freedom opened in 2004 and took most of the existing talent with it.
Of the three you cite from East Central Florida, Cocoa Beach and Poinciana are terrible and probably will not get any better in the foreseeable future. Colonial has also been terrible. But I happen to think that if a good, patient coaching staff spent four or five seasons there, a winning program could be built.
colonial has 86 wins in 30 years.
there was a good patient coaching staff there a few years ago, but 3 principals in 4 years and a retired AD later, led to setting it backwards, again.
cypress was doing pretty good a couple years back, 5-5. then last year they regressed with better players (not sure how that happens other than some poor coaching). that coach left
poinciana gets all their best players pulled to liberty, it just isnt going to happen there. the best players at liberty go and play JV at osceola.
celebration was good a few yearzs back too. then their coach left to greener pastures, they are back to bad again.
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cypress creek head coach, Richard Lorenzeno is now the head coach at lake howell,
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20 hours ago, gatorman-uf said:
http://jacksonville.com/sports/high-schools/2016-07-09/story/florida-produces-most-nfl-talent-yet-statewide-pay-high-school
http://www.gainesville.com/sports/20160717/supplemental-pay-for-head-coaches-in-all-67-florida-countiesTwo articles that show much each county coach makes... I struggle with what is the right amount for a football coach when compared to a teacher at the same school. The purpose of the school is education. The goal is provide students with the skills and resources to be a positive citizen in the world. Extra-curriculars are a part of that. It can be debate team, FFA, or football. So how much does a football coach add to the idea of making a better citizen and better student.
I guess the question becomes how much is a coach doing and what is the value of that work.
13 week Regular Season x 5 days a week(M, T, W, R, Saturday) x 3 hours a day. = 195 hours
10 Regular Season x 9 hours (travel, set up stadium, pre-game meal, clean-up) = 90 hours
4 Spring Football weeks x 5 days x 3 hours a day = 60 hours
30 weeks x 4 days a week (gotta have a rest day) x 2.5 hours = 300Total Amount: 555 hours
I think these are pretty fair numbers, I know there are longer practices, shorter practices, some weeks coaches are gone before the bell, some weeks they are there until midnight, again looking conservatively here.
Minimum Wage is 8.25 so about $4,600. If we assume that these coaches have some skill more than a burger flipper, than the wage should be hire. Maybe $15 an hour or about $8,300
Now compare that to the average teacher, 7.5 hours a day (only contract time, not actual time as we all know there are ones working nights and weekends) x 192 days a year or 1440 hours a year.
so coaching is an additional 1/3 of the job.
I will state that if a coach was not teaching a single class or only having two "football" classes and wants to have a Texas/Georgia type stipend on top of a teacher's salary, I would have a problem with that. If the coach wants to take a full load of classes, grade tests, do lesson plans, and coach than give him the big stipend. I just don't think football coaches can have it both ways. Rarely does any other sport (Volleyball, Soccer, Basketball, or Softball/Baseball) coach get the same privilege of having a "sport" class and few teaching responsibilities.
as much as I totally agree with this, i will argue.
do any of those sports, or any other sport for that matter, have a 10-15k gate(central florida schools I know of)? add in concessions, etc. and its a 20k night.
some counties allow the programs to keep 80% of the gate, some dont. those that dont, thats 15k for friday night. and they end up using that 1 gate to fund all of volleyball, soccer, basketball for the year.
so should everyone be treated equally, supposed to. but its not realistic and you know that! lol
of course after I hit post, i read up and @DB4 basically said the same thing.
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21 hours ago, Panhandle Jet said:
Some of the 1A schools in Florida especially in the panhandle pay better than the big schools.
yes they do, the head coach is considered Admin. thus a 1 year deal. i know a few up there, its nice making 80k plus, but again, if its not 2-3 rounds deep, you have that look from admin/school board/people, why are we paying you???
better win. or else. its somewhat like that everywhere, but when alot of money is involved, its a mainstay. at the top of your 5 year plan, better be WIN, WIN, WIN.
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texas is nuts. Ive looked at jobs there anytime 1 is posted on scoop, just to see.
a recent 1, with 15 year of teaching the pay was 56k. the head football coach is paid as an athletic director/coordinator and that same school district was a min of 81k to start, and a max of 114k.
granted in that role and all over the state, your on a yearly contract and will have just a couple years to get things going or you will be out. but, texas coaches are flipped into another job very quickly.
have a friend that lives there, close to austin. their team is pretty good, made finals this year. the head coach doesnt teach. the OC and DC both are 2 periods of football weights at the end of the day, before the football CLASS the last period. position coaches at his school all have football weights and football class periods off (from normal teaching schedule), so they can work with the kids. they have 9th grade A and B team practice at 630 am, in their indoor practice facility. JV/Varsity come in for films in 0 period at 730, the coaches have 1st period off, teach 2nd, 3rd, 4th and are done for day.
but, you better win. all that free time from teaching. you have no choice to win or your out the door....
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as said above, i have a hard time believing that the 5'5 corner/safety, is better than the 5'10 kid I had at safety this year that has a couple naia interests as well. he was pretty dang good,
not for nothing, the physicality of the game is something will be lacking for her. sure she has instincts, smarts, student of the game, but facts are facts, she was struggling deadlifting 225( i think in the video). guys are cleaning that much and a lot, lot more. that in itself should an indicator that this was to get some program exposure..... and no game tape? only practice footage. hmmmm
good for her, but what about the 1 she takes a spot from? if anyone.
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its naia, her college wont be paid in full. there will be tons of loans for her. she will get a reduced rate to go to school (presidental award, stuff like that) but it wont be free and she wont be taking someones scholarship.
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space coast is on fhsaa
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lake howell high school in seminole county is open
50 All-American FL RB's-How Did Things Work Out after High School?
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marquette smith made the nfl, was on carolinas roster for 2 seasons. he was hurt and didnt play regular season games, if thats what you were going for.
great list