Jambun82
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5 hours ago, VeniceIndiansFootball said:
Sir, I generally enjoy reading your posts and I would be remiss if I didn't say that they do make me chuckle from time-to-time. However, I want to put the politics away and just talk football. Thank you.
Then tell Pinstripes to call the bill signed into law by its correct name: The Parental Rights in Education Bill, not the name given by the pressure lobby who opposed the bill.
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On 4/14/2023 at 10:20 PM, MC Rockets said:
They kill me when go off topic for posts and posts. There has been a lot of back and forth. I don't think we will ever really know.
Yes, we will know when Pinstripes acknowledges his wrongdoing in lying and misrepresenting a law supporting Parental Rights and holding taxpayer-funded public servants accountable.
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On 4/14/2023 at 10:04 PM, VeniceIndiansFootball said:
If we’re done arguing over who is smarter than whom, does anyone plan on discussing the original topic matter which entails the Mater Dei-Central game falling through? I certainly hope so. Does anyone on here have any details beyond what myself, LakelandGator, FBGUY, etc. have already said?
Let's put the blame squarely where it belongs, on Pinstripes. The man purposely lied and misrepresented a well-respected and supported bill recently passed by the State Legislature and signed into law by the Governor. I called him out about it, and he deserves to be held accountable for his actions. A person in Pinstripe's profession should know better, and conduct himself accordingly.
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30 minutes ago, DarterBlue2 said:
I would add delusional to my critique which you quoted. I am truly glad I am not a football coach and don't live in Volusia County. I would be deeply disturbed if you had to serve as part of the crew assigned to any game I coached in.
I wish you well as long as you are at a distance.
You're welcome again, DarterBlue2.
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14 hours ago, DarterBlue2 said:
What I have learned from reading your various posts is a new appreciation for the ignorance and arrogance that humanity seems capable of exhibiting. I am not sure that one should be grateful for that, as, frankly, I find it depressing.
Yes, you have realized that there are many people whose ignorance shines through when compared to my enlightened, and take-it-to-the-bank and exchange it for cash observations and overall brilliance. There are many arrogant people that, unlike me, cannot back it up and get exposed. When I make a statement, the general feeling is "Jambun82 must be a Genius!" Your opinion of me grows by leaps and bounds as it does for most, if not all, posters to this message board. You're welcome again.
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10 hours ago, Perspective said:
Jambun, let me break this down in a way that even you can understand:
1. Darter posted a post in which he described a poster from another site/message board. Darter stated the guy was a piece of work . . . and then jokingly added "kind of like NoleBull on steroids."
2. Nolebull obviously understood Darter's humor and responded to Darter's comment by jokingly stating: "You hate me cuz I'm beautiful." We all know Nolebull was kidding around, because he ended his post with this emoji: "
" ,which is generally understood to convey a sense of wackiness, buffoonery or joking around.
3. Darter knew Nolebull was kidding around, as Darter responded with the LOL emoji (
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4. Continuing the playful banter, Darter then replied to Nolebull's post, essentially saying: hey, I've never met you so I don't know what you look like, but "even if you were an Adonis, it would mean naught to me." Now, you don't even have to remember your Greek mythology to know that the term Adonis generally describes a handsome or beautiful man. So, what I believe Darter was saying is, 'hey, I don't care if you're great looking or not; you're a guy and I'm a guy and therefore I would not be interested in you no matter how attractive you are.' But Darter cleverly made his point without using the term "homosexual" or "gay" or anything similar to that.
5. I happen to appreciate people who can make a point in a subtle way (something you may not be able to comprehend). So, I decided to post something showing my appreciation to Darter's ability to get his point across without using certain words.
6. As a reminder, the Florida legislature recently enacted legislation, and the governor of Florida signed into law, a bill that precludes educators from discussing the concept of homosexuality with children under a certain age/grade. This law has been generally referred to, by and in the media and elsewhere, as the "Don't Say Gay" law. Some people agree with it; some people don't. That is irrelevant. My opinion on the law is irrelevant, as is yours and everyone else's on this board. What is relevant is that unless you've been living under a rock the past year, most everyone is familiar with the "Don't Say Gay" law. It has even sparked a war between our governor and the largest single-site employer in this state's largest industry. But I digress.
7. In my post, I jokingly (note the use of the
emoji) congratulated Darter for being able to say he wasn't gay without using the word gay, as the use of the word could, under certain circumstances, be considered by some to be a violation of Florida law. Darter obviously appreciated my humor as evidenced by his reply. My post was not a commentary on the law itself, but simply Darter's ability to communicate in a way that didn't violate the commonly-used title of the law.
8. I'm really not sure how or why my post bothered you so much. There is, admittedly, a side of me that's curious. But, the "larger side" of me doesn't really care. I'm tired of your shtick. It was funny for a while, but I'm afraid that you have been emboldened by some early, positive responses and have taken it to an extreme. Actually, I can only hope that it's a shtick and that you've simply adopted this "I'm the smartest man in the world and you should all bow down to me" alter ego for purposes of posting on this site. Because, if that's not the case, man, I would sure hate to have you as an official in one of my games.
(By the way, if you're going to continue to chastise or threaten me, it's probably not a good idea for you to DM me and ask me for legal advice again).
As always, just my perspective.
Pinstripes, you know when I state a fact, command, or order, that I mean business. My fact, command, or order is that, from now on, you will refer to the bill by it's proper name: "The Parental Rights in Education" Law. I would never "threaten" you, because what I state on this message board is almost always an absolute fact that anyone can take to the bank and exchange for cash Pinstripes. As far as me being "an official for one of your games" that is problematic, because I have never confirmed or denied that I am an official, and nobody really knows on this message board for sure if I am an official. That goes without saying that I don't know if you are a Coach or not anyway. Also, I did not DM you for legal advice, I sent you a message because I was selected for jury duty, and I had some questions about the process. You were very helpful with my questions by the way. Pinstripes, I think that we both know the truth that you consider it an honor and privilege to speak with me, and like I said: YOU'RE WELCOME AGAIN PINSTRIPES!
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On 4/10/2023 at 9:06 PM, DarterBlue2 said:
We've never met. So, I have no idea what physical attributes you possesses. But since I am not of a particular persuasion. even if you were an Adonis, it would mean naught to me.
In any case, I did acknowledge you weren't as bad as GSB.
I see that you have provided your input on my very well-made and correct point with a sad face, DarterBlue2. There is no need for that sort of reaction from you, because we both know how much that you enjoy reading what I have to say, and have much you have learned from me over the years as well. You're welcome again.
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On 4/11/2023 at 9:01 AM, Perspective said:
Not trying to get in the middle of you and Nolebull, literally or figuratively, but I couldn't help but notice how you artfully sidestepped Florida's "Don't Say Gay" law, while still getting your point across.
Pinstripes, you can make all the "confused" faces that you want, but you know that when I stare a fact, command, or order, I mean business. I know very well how to handle people in your profession Pinstripes, whether ambulance-chasers or out-of-control, Empire State, Cesspool-City District Attorneys. I don't want to read that fiction again from you on this message board Pinstripes.
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On 4/11/2023 at 9:01 AM, Perspective said:
Not trying to get in the middle of you and Nolebull, literally or figuratively, but I couldn't help but notice how you artfully sidestepped Florida's "Don't Say Gay" law, while still getting your point across.
You were told to knock that crap off Pinstripes. I will state this again since, you didn't read correctly last time: KNOCK THAT CRAP OFF PINSTRIPES!
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10 hours ago, Hwy17 said:
I believe he's starting to get it
Yes, I believe that you are correct.
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2 hours ago, Perspective said:
I can hardly wait...
In the meantime, just to be clear, your position is as follows: in those situations where it can be scientifically determined that one classification of humans (I'll keep the aliens out of the discussion for now) has a "genetic and biological advantage" over another group, we shouldn't allow the advantaged group to participate with the disadvantaged group, as that would give the advantaged group an unfair advantage and deprive the disadvantaged group of succeeding. But the disadvantaged group can always compete with the advantaged group, even if that means that members of the advantaged group are precluded from participating. Did I say all of that right?
(Yeah, I know the wheels are now spinning in your brain as you try to figure out where I'm going with all this).
You see, you are finally learning something Perspective. My lessons and education ARE getting through!
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2 hours ago, Hwy17 said:
Girls playing boys football isn't new. I know we had 2 or 3, and not kickers.
As for gymnastics there are certain gender specific apparatuses; i.e. balance beam for females; high bar, rings, pomal horse for males.
Great points, Mr. Congeniality. However, you should be careful. Some posters on this message board have a problem with making too much sense.
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12 hours ago, Perspective said:
OK, let's mix this one up a little: Let's say you have a son and let's say that the genetics were somewhat cruel. As a result, he got his size from your wife's side of the family, where 5'6" is considered "tall." And even though he eats twice as much as you do (and that's saying something), he can't get the scales past 130. In short (pun intended), he's the antithesis of what you desire for a kid who wants to play high school football. And, to complete the genetic nightmare, he is not blessed with speed. However, because you put him in Kiddie Kickers when he was 4 years old, he learned how to kick a soccer ball and later learned how to kick a football. He's a rising junior, an above average kicker and based on the fact that the only other two kickers from last season have graduated, he's in line to be the starting kicker. With a little bit of extra training and a late growth spurt, the kid actually has a chance of getting a college scholarship (or at least a PWO spot at a good school).
Now, it just so happens that Billy Booster (owner of Booster Ford, Booster Chevy and Booster Dodge) has a genetic dilemma of his own: the little girl that he thought would grow up to be the homecoming queen one day instead is built like a tractor and scares young children. Her best redeeming quality is that she is athletic and her sport of choice is soccer, where she likely will play D-1. She's also a rising junior. Billy's getting real tired of going to Wildcat football games on Friday night to support his alma mater and then waking up early Saturday morning to drive his daughter to another Club soccer tournament three hours away to play a team that's one town over. So, Billy convinces his daughter that she should play football in the fall to keep her in shape for soccer season in the winter. And while thunder thighs is fully capable of competing for a spot on the D-line, she and her dad agree that she should simply kick for the Wildcats. Billy arranges a private workout with the Wildcat head coach and while his daughter has a powerful right leg, she doesn't appear to have the accuracy needed to beat out your son. And the coach tells Billy that.
Well, we all know someone like Billy. He doesn't want to take "no" for an answer. So he offers to supply the team with brand new uniforms - home and away - along with a great deal on a new F150, if the coach agrees to let his daughter be the starting kicker. Knowing that the team will likely go 5-5 for the eighth year in a row regardless of who the kicker is, the coach agrees.
Everyone can see that your son is the better kicker and if Billy's child were a boy, it's likely nothing would be said and nothing would be done. But Billy's child is a girl and football is a boys sport, isn't it? Should Billy's girl be able to play football and possibly deprive your son of his chance to earn a scholarship?
There's an old expression: what's good for the goose is good for the gander. But that doesn't appear to be the case with the existing statute. Students are either male or female, based on their biological sex at birth (setting aside a higher-than-you-think percentage of babies that are born with both male and female sex organs). The statute goes on to say:
"(b) Athletic teams or sports designated for males, men, or boys may be open to students of the female sex.
(c) Athletic teams or sports designated for females, women, or girls may not be open to students of the male sex."
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I get it: generally speaking, males are bigger, stronger, faster than females. That explains why we all tend to agree that a male who transitions into a female should not be allowed to compete with biological females. But, are there any sports where females have an advantage? Gymnastics, perhaps? If so, shouldn't the statute also preclude females who transition into males from competing in 'sports designated for males?'
C'Mon Perspective, anybody with half a brain knows that males have genetic and biological advantages over females. A female testing herself against males is not the same as a biological male who thinks he is a female stealing Athletic Championships and Titles from biological females. You write a sequel to War and Peace with your size and amount of words in your posts, yet you really say nothing at all. You might just have too much time on your hands Perspective, and I thought that my lessons, teaching, and education were getting through to you. I see now that I am going to have to invest a lot more work in you, and I will be coming up with a plan soon. You will be hearing from me, Perspective.
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10 hours ago, Ray Icaza said:
Who knew, the "Oracle at Delphi" sits on this board.
Ray, I think very highly of you, and you are a very valuable contributor to this message board.
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1 hour ago, Ray Icaza said:
To be clear, my participation is strictly to promote continual recognition for our Kowboy football program. I won't delude myself into thinking I am smarter than others and try to "Educate" them. If a topic arises I disagree with I will freely give my opinion, trying to persuade to consider my point of view with logic and reason in a respectful way. It's kinda like baseball that I fail the majority of the time, but if I bat .300+ it's a pretty good average. So I keep swinging.
It is a good thing then that you agree with most of what I say when you read it from me on this message board. It it is also good that you yourself have learned a lot from me on this message board.
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20 hours ago, Ray Icaza said:
I have to agree, it is a silly argument. Jurisdictions build new roads all the time and the governing body (ie, DOT) decides on a speed limit before anyone has ever driven on it, much less broken the speed limit on that particular road. Must be cautious though as this may be another example of sarcasm.
Yes Ray, you and I both can keep trying to educate and impart lessons to Perspective. I know that he learns more, and feels smarter every time that he has the honor and privilege of speaking with me.
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5 hours ago, Perspective said:
Wait, what happened to eliminating an issue before it ever becomes a problem?
I guess we only want our legislature to be proactive on certain things.
Yeah, I know the aliens thing is far-fetched. Almost absurd. But it proves my point that people only want the government to be proactive on matters when they agree with the position the government is taking.
Now, get back to the second question in my post: why isn't this issue something that can (and should) be dealt with by the governing bodies having jurisdiction over the athletes (NCAA for college and FHSAA for high school)? Is it because you don't like the way the NCAA dealt with the issue? (Try to answer that question honestly). Again, I don't like the decision that was made by the NCAA either, but I think that's where the issue should be addressed. For high school athletes, if anyone is going to be proactive or otherwise address eligibility issues, it should be the FHSAA and not the legislature.
Just my two cents.
It shouldn't be the FHSAA or NCAA making these decisions because, as we have seen with the NCAA, most of the members of the Associations are often unaccountable and make decisions that concur with the sands of time, or the flavor of the moment, which an issue like biological males who think that they are a female becomes. The Legislature is more accountable to the voters and residents of the state and the Legislature should be making and voting for these decisions. I will continue with the lessons Perspective, and hopefully my knowledge and wisdom will eventually wear off on you a little more each time. I am stating to wonder though, but I will keep trying. You're welcome, Perspective.
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9 hours ago, Hwy17 said:
And that's how our system has evolved. Pass a law, rule, regulation or policy, along ideological lines and let the courts figure it out. Meanwhile We the People become more and more divided.
Thank you for the lecture, Mr. Congeniality.
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9 hours ago, Perspective said:
I'm looking forward to seeing the proposed legislation precluding aliens from participating in high school sports . . . 'eliminate this before it ever has a chance of becoming a problem.'
Seriously, we're talking about an eligibility issue, right? Isn't that what the FHSAA is there for? Why does the state legislature need to get involved with this issue?
If there comes a day when aliens competing in athletic events and stealing titles and championships from females becomes an issue, then that issue can be dealt with. For now, the issue is biological males who think that they are a female competing in athletic events and stealing titles and championships from females, so this issue is dealt with by the great leadership in the state of Florida. I am starting to wonder about you Perspective.
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3 hours ago, Ray Icaza said:
Sounds to me like you are framing the question to get the answer you want. Why would you be limiting it to HS only when the FL Bill applies to both HS and College, so yes there are examples at the college level though it hasn't maybe trickled down to HS in our state yet. It's kind of like asking, "Can you give me a single example in the known universe where any gun has killed an individual without a person pulling the trigger", yet let's ban some of them. I guess when I moved here and decided to become a Boy Scout the motto I was taught to "Be Prepared" is all wet in this day and age.
I appreciate your point -of-view and input Ray. You are a very valuable contributor to this message board, and I thank you for that.
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52 minutes ago, LakelandGator said:
Step away from the ledge cowboy.
I am not interested in what you have to say, please do not respond to me again.
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6 hours ago, Perspective said:
Just throwing this question out to everyone: Can anyone give me a single example of where this has happened in Florida high school sports? Not college. And not in another state. But here in Florida, do you know of a time where a biological male underwent some form of sex-change surgery or hormone replacement process in order to become a "female" and then competed against females in a high school sport, team or individual, and was victorious?
That is where being proactive comes into the equation. Eliminate this before it ever has a chance of becoming a problem.
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1 hour ago, Perspective said:
So, oh wise one, what can you teach me about humility?
I don't know if humility would be considered an area of expertise for me. lol
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3 hours ago, Hwy17 said:
Like I ask all the time, "What could possibly go wrong?"
Fine, nothing will be done and biological males will be stealing victories and championships from females.
SFla tough guy exposed?
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Pinstripes, the name is the bill singed into law is The Parental Rights in Education Bill, not the name that you refer to, which the pressure lobby who opposed the bill purposely lied and misrepresented to try to kill the bill in committee. I expect a lot better from a person of your Education, and Stature. Do you understand what I am saying, and have I made myself clear to you?