Jambun82
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1 hour ago, Jags904 said:
That’s a BS suspension. I have seen and heard refs doing absolutely awful things and when reported the FHSAA tucked their tail and did nothing. Pathetic abuse of power.
What is BS about it Jags904? Did you attend the game? Do you see what happened? Did you hear what happened? Where is the pathetic abuse of power? What absolutely awful things have you heard or seen officials doing? What do you report to the FHSAA?
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2 hours ago, skyway said:
But, unlike athletics, schools face the very real possibility of continued mass exodus of students through voucher programs etc, which DIRECTLY impacts the $ they receive from the state and, ultimately, their ability to function and remain open.
In case it's not clear, I HATE the philosophy employed by Florida's education department and the philosophy for which Besty DeVos is the (very ugly) face. I'm also in favor of things being "reasonably competitive" in both academics and athletics. But, I can't stand this rank hypocrisy I see with folks who are happy to see public schools bankrupted through a voucher system or free transfers from "D" or "F" rated schools, resulting in the best students never showing up or leaving, resulting in a stacked deck of students with academic strengths.
The EXACT same set of circumstances that allow a Lakeland to continuously end up with a stacked football roster exist to allow the "elite" academic schools to play with a stacked deck of the best and most motivated students that are certain to produce high test scores. Either you oppose both, support both, or are utterly blind and/or hypocritical.
Skyway, by your own reasoning, that makes you utterly blind and/or hypocritical, since you apparently support athletic transfers, but oppose school choice.
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8 hours ago, 561_Fan said:
Lakes was the better team, but not 48-0 better. Lakes Left DE lined up offsides all game. Every big play (wasn’t many) for PK got called back. Holding is in the eye of the official, so... Like i said Lakes was better. This is the 3rd consecutive year we’ve played Lakes (won both).
PKs issues are internal and hopefully, the staff will take this extra time to self-scout
Thank you 561_Fan.
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561_Fan, could you provide some more examples of the problems that you had with the officiating? Thank you.
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11 hours ago, badbird said:
looks like a block in the back to me. Pause it at 59 seconds and his hands are on his back.
They could have also called a hold on the slot WR. His hands are clearly outside and his left hand is on his back.
Yes, I see what you mean on both counts badbird.
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22 hours ago, skyway said:
If you watch the last clip, at 0:50, you get a much better view. The other WR is not in position to do anything. And, we can easily see when and where the official threw the flag. It was obviously on #10. And, it was obviously b.s. Although not nearly as b.s. as the roughing the punter call towards the end of the 1st half, or a couple of the roughing the passer calls.
All right, thank you skyway.
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23 hours ago, HornetFan said:
As a long time football fan and season ticket holder to several pro and college football teams during my life, I have always believed that officials should establish early what will and will not be tolerated and then let the players play provided they don't get out of hand. A block in the back can be as little as a slight push or as bad as wiping a player out from behind; I don't believe a slight push should be called. It's like pass interference; too often officials determine who wins a game by not allowing any contact by CB's. It's football, not soccer.
HornetFan, I didn't mean to be rude, but a foul is ALWAYS at the discretion of the officials, that is what the officials role is in a football game. Also, Pro, and College Football Officiating cannot be compared to High School Football Officiating. The objectives are often different when comparing players who play for a living or on scholarship with teenage children many of whom will never play beyond this level.
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2 minutes ago, badbird said:
So should we teach are players to block in the butt? Would that be a penalty?
A block in the butt would be a clipping foul. Not to be confused with butt-blocking which is blocking against a non-runner with the front of the helmet.
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HornetFan, what authority
7 hours ago, HornetFan said:Whether the call is made or not is always at the discretion of the officials; sometimes that decision smells of home town cooking. I have seen too many great plays called back for penalties that occur away from the ball; most of the time they are holding calls or blocks in the back. I agree player safety fouls should always be called.
HornetFan, what authority do you have to declare that whether a call is made is not at the discretion of the officials? What do you think that the officials role is during a High School Football game? A block in the back is a Player Safety foul, no matter where it occurs. Of course, a block in the back is a block with clear initial hands or arms below the shoulders, and above the waist of an opponent. Many times what coaches and fans believe is a block in the back, is not in fact so unless this is clear to the official. Also, a block in the back could be considered a Personal Foul is the action is well away for the play on the field.
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12 minutes ago, skyway said:
I'm not sure. Are you seeing something there?
Not especially, and I don't like to criticize or critique game officials. However, from the limited point-of-view of the video, I noticed more contact from the slot receiver than #10.
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9 minutes ago, aknenn said:
Im a first year official doing jv and freshman games. This is not true. They tell us during our trainings not to call things that are on opposite side of the field, unless its unsportsmanlike, a saftey issue, or the played has been warned multiple times.
Yes, aknenn, that is absolutely correct. I wish you all the best in your officiating career.
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22 hours ago, skyway said:
The play in question is the first play in this highlight collection. It is replayed from a better, wider angle at 00:51 through the conclusion. Best I can tell, they call it on the WR #10. What are your thoughts?
Skyway, are you sure the foul was called on #10, and not the slot receiver?
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10 hours ago, HornetFan said:
A penalty is a penalty, even when it has no effect on the actual play. How often do we see penalties called on the opposite side of the field, away from the play? It's a teaching moment for the coach to avoid having it happen again, but kids are kids and it will happen again.
HornetFan, that is not entirely accurate. Player Safety fouls are always penalties wherever that occur on the field of play, end zone, or sideline. However, many judgment call type of fouls such as holding, OPI, or DPI, are not usually called unless these fouls have a direct effect on the play. Most Head Coaches agree with this reasoning, and it behooves most Officials to try to limit fouls to the absolute necessary with the obvious exception of player safety fouls.
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13 hours ago, ColumbiaHighFan2017class said:
Hey I have a question about a situation that came up in our game
We were attempting a XP our holder got up with the ball as if it was a fake then went back to a knee for the kicker to kick the ball but wouldn't that have ruled the play dead since he got up with the ball then took a knee?
If the snap was a little high, the holder has some leeway to take his knee off the ground to retrieve the ball, and then get back on his knee to place the ball for the kicker. If the snap is normal, and the holder fumbles the ball, and gets off his knee, then the play would be dead immediately if the holder put his knee back on the ground.
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30 minutes ago, Proseteye said:
Pretty much every type, Jambun. However, primarily Chop Blocks, Holding, and Personal Fouls. Just seemed like every other play there were flags thrown. Possibly these two teams are not that disciplined and the penalties were more prevalent because of it. Maybe the Refs wanted to keep the game civilized. Can't really blame them. Delay of game, offside, and motion penalties should be taken with a grain of salt as these are not college or professional teams. Some leeway should be given. Otherwise the game grinds to a halt, IMO. Another thing to consider, especially in the extreme heat of south Florida, is that every flag that is thrown forces the players to redo plays. Takes a lot of effort just to play a normal game. When you get multiple flags being thrown that doubles the amount of plays to set up and execute. I sometimes believe that some refs are glory seekers who want as much recognition as the players. The game should be about the players and not the refs.
Holding, if the foul is not at the point-of-attack, motion, and delay of game fouls can be judgment calls. However, Personal Fouls, Chop Blocks, and Offside, if the foul is encroachment, are NOT judgment calls. These type of fouls are Player Safety fouls, and need to be called regardless of the score or status of the game. No official however should be looking to be seen or noticed. This game is about the players only. Not the officials or the coaches.
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On 9/7/2019 at 10:24 AM, Proseteye said:
I don't know whether MNW just had an off night or whether IMG is just that much better. MNW looked terrible. Certainly didn't look like a top Florida team or even a regular Florida team. Their offense was out to lunch. Their defense was somewhat better. That being said, IMG didn't look like a world beater either. I think they should give their backup QB a chance as their starter was anything but spectacular. I don't know whether it was just that IMG was playing a supposedly top Florida team or whether IMG is just not quite as good as previous years. But neither of these teams looked anything but ordinary IMHO. And, what is it with these Refs? Are they getting paid by the flag thrown or what? Seemed like every other play and sometimes every play that they were flagging something or somebody. Made watching this game very irritating. I know that MNW is really a very good team and will probably go on to win the rest of their games including probably the championship game. I also know that IMG is a nationally ranked team and will probably go on to win all or most of their games. But, last night they could have fooled me.
Proseteye, what types of fouls were most frequently called by the officials in this game?
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3 hours ago, Big Ray said:
Any program can be turned around in my opinion. Daytona Beach Mainland has made the playoffs 25 years in a row and 26 of the last 27 years. if you go back 3 years before their first playoff appearance, they were 4-36 in a 4 years span.
The instance of Daytona Beach Mainland was that the talent was always there, but there was a lot of apathy, and most of the kids in that area had to work. When Doug Stanley became the Head Coach in 1989, he was able to go into the community, talk to employers, and get the talented kids to play football. Mainland was a sleeping giant until that point. Dan in Daytona would be able to expound on this point.
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Thank you for answering my questions Legion37, LakelandGator and Skyway.
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5 hours ago, skyway said:
Have to flag this. Lakeland led STA by 19 with 2 minutes and change to play, having had an easy TD called back, another easy TD dropped and a bogus hurdling penalty on a great run. Central TRAILED STA going into the 4th quarter. They won by 16 on what looked a lot like a garbage time TD. Your memory seems to have faded a bit here.
Skyway, what problem did you have with the hurdling call in the state title game? I viewed the game on youtube, but I don't remember that specific call.
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9 hours ago, Legion37 said:
Lakeland could stop lakeland and perhaps injuries. Last night only the Ref's stopped Lakeland and the running clock. Lakeland was awfully dominant last night and they were without their starting QB, transfer Chayil Garnett who is a big time passer. (6-2 205 with 2,028 passing yards and 18 TD's to just 4 INT's while at Lake Wales). When Lakeland adds that to their attack (and last night the QB was pretty decent when he did throw.) just imagine!
Legion37, how do you feel that the officials stopped Lakeland and the running clock.
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13 hours ago, TRAJAN01 said:
Jambun82 they are pretty impressive...they definitely pass the eyeball test. They are huge across the OL. Their RB(#24 i think) is a very strong runner. We are were able to run and throw on them...we hit a 60 yard post pattern and missed on another when the WR was running wide open behind the secondary. I look for them to be contending for the state championship again in 1A.
TRAJAN01, thank you for this information, but could you tell me what type of offense Madison County runs? Are they predominately a running team? Do they play with any sort of tempo? Do they run a no-huddle? What type of defense do they run? Thank you again.
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7 hours ago, TRAJAN01 said:
Wakulla and Madison ended with Madison leading 27 - 26. Wakulla had just scored and was lining up to kick the extra point to tie when the game was stopped due to lightning. Both teams look real good.
TRAJAN01, is there any more information that you could possibly provide about Madison County? Thank you.
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Miramar head coach suspended for remainder of season.
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Gatorman-UF, I do NOT believe the coach. I am inclined to believe that the officials did the right thing, but I have no proof at all. Two unsportsmanlike fouls on a player or coach is an automatic ejection. If what was described in the report actually happened, then the coach very quickly committed two unsportsmanlike fouls. I know the FHSAA very well, that Association does not render a penalty this severe unless something very egregious happened with the head coach. How do we expect high school kids to act in a sportsmanlike, and respectful manner when adult coaches cannot act in this way, and show some respect for authority?