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I have a hunch Ely was more to blame than CG. And I have a hunch the brawl gives us an idea as to why their coach left after three weeks. He probably felt he had an uncoachable group.
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20 minutes ago, Ray Icaza said:
Some KOC's are as you pointed out, a chance to let kids prove themselves and experiment with new personnel, defenses, offenses, etc... some play 1 qtr. or a half with the JV or non-starters. That is usually an agreement between coaches prior to the game. This one we are discussing is definitely not that, they are each wanting the bragging rights.
I assume Osceola-Apopka will be played for real/to win as well!? I've already been telling people they can rub it in if Lakeland does poorly vs. Armwood. No excuses will be offered here (unless it turns out there were significant injuries which I know nothing about and do not expect).
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17 minutes ago, KeemD321 said:
It's been getting a whole lot of hype on social media as the Soul Bowl
I'm sure. I've been telling folks on a national board that it will be a real game, played to win. In other parts of the country, they are convinced these games are all not any different than NFL preseason games. It's asinine, but they're determined to keep thinking that
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5 hours ago, FBGUY1989 said:
For those that don't know Northwestern don't play about their school they'll show up and show out. I'm sure this situation is fixed
There are some who might say that Jones and Northwestern are just having a little scrimmage to try new things out, see who will make the varsity, generally not care about winning or losing, and it will basically be like an NFL preseason game. How accurate is this?
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9 hours ago, VeniceIndiansFootball said:
I didn't go to any games in 2020. Lakeland should win even if CAI sticks around for a little while. I think you are jumping out of your seat over nothing. CAI is not an IMG or any other such program. They are much more on par with a Venice or Osceola than an IMG or SFA. They have a good team that might give you some trouble in the first half, but Lakeland will pull away eventually. They play Venice as well in the season finale so we will see just how good they are.
Having not seen a single down played by either team, I'm not going to make any predictions on how a game will go. If I did make that sort of prediction, I would have to be picturing other teams from other years. And then I'd be destined to get it wrong.
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9 hours ago, VeniceIndiansFootball said:
CAI has been ok in recent years. I know some people may see that “international” word and jump out of their seats, but they are not a Mater Dei or SFA by any means. Most of their players seem to be from Canada and from a few various states around the US. Not sure if they will be any better this season than they were in 2020 when they played us. If Lakeland has a good game plan, which they always do with Coach Castle at the helm, then don’t even sweat CAI as Lakeland should defeat them without too much trouble.
This is what I figured: your opinion of CAI is based mostly (entirely?) on what you saw in the plague year. Make no mistake, if CAI is going to be a facsimile of the 2020 team, I wouldn't be the least bit worried. Unless Lakeland-playing, presumably, by this same set of new rules- is a facsimile of its 2020 team, in which case all bets are off!
Point is, neither school will be bring their 2020 teams to Bryant Stadium for this game.CAI was 3-6 in 2020; in 2021 their two losses were road games to state champions. Word is, the 2022 team will be their best ever, perhaps by far. Certainly, they have awesome size in the trenches. They have good looking Canadian QBs. I was at UF when Jesse Palmer came down and threw it around the Swamp for Spurrier, so the Canadian part doesn't automatically tell me they are lesser players.
Above all else, I am extremely suspicious of anyone who speaks with total confidence about what their 2022 team will look like given the abundance of players they have none of us have ever seen (unless we were watching football in Canada, Sweden etc). The more confident one seems when speaking of this particular team, the less regard I have for their takes. Because I know they're full of it, much more so than all of us already are when we talk about teams with American-born players.
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42 minutes ago, VeniceIndiansFootball said:
They aren’t who you think they are. Your toughest challenge will be Osceola.
Well, we shall see!
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15 hours ago, VeniceIndiansFootball said:
24/7 can tell you a lot about individual talents, but I don’t think it tells the whole story about how well a team performs against pressure or equivalent talent. A football team is comprised of more than one person and the sum is often greater than its parts. As you rightfully pointed out, Lakeland is a good example of this. They raided every school around them and received probably close to 20 transfers this season. They are going to be a powerhouse and we all know it. I am disappointed that they didn’t schedule any South Florida opponents, and will obliterate everyone they play with the exceptions of Osceola and maybe Armwood. They will undoubtedly be favored to win 4S.
IMG has no excuse to lose a football game at the high school level at all with everything they have at their fingertips. Yet, they still seem to lose a game every once in a while (albeit, to very good programs such as SFA and Mater Dei.) And they get tough games from public schools every year (MNW, MC, Venice, Columbia, Cocoa, etc. All examples of public schools that have proven they can compete with IMG and that they aren’t an “unbeatable machine.” At the end of the day, they are just high school kids playing a game. I can’t fault kids for wanting to play for IMG. I’ve been on that campus twice and their facilities and equipment are beyond compare. I just can’t stand ignorant fans that claim that their school “doesn’t get transfers,” when in truth, all winners nowadays do; some contribute more than others and add fuel to an already strong program.
my hunch is the best team Lakeland will face, by far, will be Clearwater Academy International. That is the only game I anticipate being really tight.
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1 hour ago, Ray Icaza said:
I am old but my memory doesn't fail me. It was a clear holding call right in front of the ref, then a takedown and when the APK player got up to object they penalized him; instead of 10 yards against Lakeland it was 15 against APK. It's on film and clearly easy to see. In addition, you are clearly ignorant about our offense this year yet you are much better versed than I although I don't recall seeing you at any practices. Lastly, I am not offended by your bold predictions or looking to prove you wrong. Just curious why when you have a world beater team, you would not challenge them but instead have a mediocre schedule. Other than Clearwater Academy, us and a diminished Lake Gibson???? HMMMM.
It's really not that serious! The Lakeland-Apopka game from last year is available on NFHS if anyone wants to check it out.
Kickoff Classics in Florida often involve: wet field; wet ball; delays due to lightning; delays due to officials stopping the game because they're unsure as to what to call; delays due to high school kids making mistakes/penalties. It's very hard to get into any sort of offensive rhythm with all of those obstacles. Add in the fact that Apopka is going to play three yards and a cloud of dust, eating the clock, and the Darters are very sound defensively, scoring a bunch of points is going to be very difficult for most any HS team. I think you're looking at a very boring, ugly game that will also be very close. It's very winnable for the Kowboys because their defense will be able to shut down Apopka as well. So, it really figures to come down to who makes one more/one big mistake. And I explained why I think it's more likely to be Osceola making that mistake.
I can't speak to Lakeland's schedule. I'm disappointed. And I think CAI is a horrible team to schedule. They don't have the history or the big name value to qualify as a really impressive win, yet they may be every bit as good as just about anyone not named IMG. Would be much better to play a Miami Central, which I think they tried to do at some point. I do think financial concerns (a reality for basically everyone) play into scheduling decisions. It makes sense to play teams within not more than about 2 hours away who happen to have relatively good fan support (tickets sold).
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Personally, I think it's more fun if we all make bolder predictions! Haha. I know you guys hope like hell I'm proven wrong
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22 minutes ago, Ray Icaza said:
And watching the game with APK vs Lakeland last year in your place, in my opinion they should have won that game had it not been for questionable calls by the officials in the final drive to give the Naughts the win. I said so at the time and have not changed my opinion. Point is '21 season, regardless of your opinion means nothing but you are deciding the fate for both Apopka and Osceola based on that. Should I assume the same of Lakeland? Of course not, just wish you had the same objectivity.
No, I'm not assuming 2022 will be a repeat of 2021. I think your memory is a bit hazy on that Apopka-Lakeland game and final drive. But, 'twas a very tight game for sure.
For 2022, I'm guessing Osceola will continue to have limitations on offense. They'll be good, but not great, on offense. Apopka holds such offenses to low point totals. Osceola will be very stout on defense, while Apopka will also be limited on offense. I think Osceola will call a less conservative game offensively, which may produce a big mistake/turnover that leads to an easy score for the Darters. We also have to keep in mind that there is an excellent chance of the game being called due to lightning, or played in a monsoon. Monsoonal conditions favor the more conservative, run-oriented offense.
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My impression of the Kowboys in 2021 was that they were a bunch of nice, happy young men coached by a nice staff. Really nice guys. Not the type to play with much anger or rage. Apopka doesn't entertain much these days, but they are meticulous and precise. As others have said, this is a toss-up. I'll take Apopka 14-6.
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3 hours ago, VeniceIndiansFootball said:
This isn’t the IMG of old, it’s going to be a much closer game than that.
I'd be happy to see that! But, barring an absolutely dramatic infusion of talent (I don't mean a couple of new transfers who will start) from spring, Venice would not be expected to compete with the top several teams in the state. IMG is LOADED. I gather that having some good players (I know of two RBs) transfer out has mislead people to perceive them as being down. But, they have 11 of the top 100 2023 players in Florida, with 3 of the top 5, per Rivals. The 247 lists for 2023 and 2024 show seven (7) five star players and twelve (12) four star players. IMO, they're going to obliterate Venice, and they're going to obliterate Miami Central, too.
*Now, if these guys listed as at IMG as of this morning don't actually play for them, I suppose I'd have to recalculate
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It's certainly no Atlantic-PBC, but I'll say either Lakeland-Armwood is called due to lightning, or Lakeland wins 28-0.
IMG over Venice 49-0, with the game being 42-0 at half.
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49 minutes ago, ohs vargas said:
Opinions on this list?
Jesuit at 3, Venice at 4, TBT at 6,PF at 8, Bucholz at 9 and Lake Gibson at 15 suggest these rankings are just continuing on where last season left off. In that case, Lakeland should not be in the top 10. If, on the other hand, the idea was to make an educated guess as to how good the 2022 teams will be, it's a stupid list. No Chaminade is further proof of it.
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4 hours ago, PinellasFB said:
They are always loaded with prospects so I'm guessing they will be good
I've read some quotes by coaches there that this may be their best team. I hope that's accurate given they play my school!
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9 hours ago, THIS_IS_DILLARD said:
Dillard being a “CLEAR UNDERDOG” vs STA , I most def disagree with that. As well as respecting your opinion.
My take on it. At worst Dillard vs STA is a pick em game. Even last year STA wasn’t the clear fav in that matchup and they were home and should’ve lost. But should’ve coudlve they got the “W”.
add that Dillard got even better then they were last year coaching,offensively & defensively while keep the talent they already had while adding a plethora of new additions I would most def say a “pick em” type game. What Dillard does that, we will see .
Well, I haven't offered my opinion on Dillard-STA yet. And I won't until both teams have played games. The exercise detailed above just suggests STA is much more loaded throughout the roster. I do think that, once you get up to 14 or more really good players, you start to get close to being able to field a team good enough to win on any given Friday. STA doesn't figure to use all ~36 of those players in a tight game. So, this is a case where two things can be true at the same time: 1) STA has much more talent throughout its roster and 2) Dillard has enough talent to allow other factors (being more hungry, HFA, coaching, team chemistry etc) to lead them to a win in the 2022 game.
Also, feel free to check out Dillard's roster on hudl and make sure all of their ballplayers are listed!
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On 8/5/2022 at 3:32 PM, Jesse said:
They lost to madison county.
There have been no games played in Florida in 2022. So, they haven't lost to anyone so far.
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1 hour ago, Jesse said:
Keep sleeping on madison county please. Also they beat some of them teams. But keep sleeping
Original post edited with stats on Madison County and Columbia.
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On 8/7/2022 at 2:53 PM, Ray Icaza said:
This idea would be considered thinking outside the box. As you posed the question does it have any validity at all. I can only comment as it pertains to our team that you pointed out has 9 individuals with over 1,000 views. Within that small group sample I can tell you that several with more views relative to their teammates are not the better players and in some cases it isn't even close. Some like to be on social media thus drawing attention to themselves, more followers, more views, etc.. which may make one think he has superior talent but that is not necessarily so. Plus you did point out younger players that may be ready to bust on the scene and be great contributors are at this point unknowns. If this calculation to predict success has merit, then IMG should blow out Central with a 5 to 1 ratio advantage in this metric yet some people are favoring Central. That game may provide the answer you are seeking.
No doubt, there isn't any sort of direct link between page views and quality of player. There is a sense that, in general, more views equals more interest, usually among college scouts and fans. But, not always.
IF there is anything to this, it would have to be true that the likelihood of players with more views than deserved and/or players with less views than deserved is roughly equal from team to team. There are likely over-viewed and under-viewed players, but that is the case with most all teams.
You're correct, if this is a valid way of evaluating teams, IMG will blow out Central. Other predictions that would come true would be that Miami Northwestern isn't all that loaded; Dillard is still a clear underdog vs. STA; Clearwater Academy International is fairly beastly and should be favored in all its games except Lakeland, and that one looks like a toss-up; and so on.
I'm certain that this approach, like any other approach to projecting high school teams and game, is not so accurate as to be worth betting money on. There are many variables in play with determining how good teams are, and how a game between them would turn out. IMG can't gain much if any benefit in playing 51 players in a competitive game. You never play more than about 30 kids in a close game. And, with 12 minute quarters, you can often get by in a single game with under 20 players (some going both ways of course).
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An idea I had to try to evaluate the strength of teams was to look at their rosters on hudl and count the players with a lot of views of their highlights. It's certainly not a fool-proof way to go about evaluating teams. Some great players may still be relative unknowns and some guys who aren't very good may have gamed the system to rack up a lot of views. And some schools may have some guys missing, or extra guys on who don't belong. If the player was class of 2022 (or deceased in one case) I didn't count those. But, in all, I think it may be the best way to get an idea for the mixture of talent and experience teams have (more inexperienced players have fewer views obviously). I went with a somewhat random number of 1,000 views as a minimum. So, of course players with over 950 views, but less than 1,000, get shortchanged this way. But, have to draw a line somewhere! There are some surprises, though people can obviously interpret those as proof this isn't a great way to evaluate teams. The season will reveal whether that's correct or not.
Here's what I've found so far, I will try to add more and make corrections if needed in time:
Players with at or more than 1,000 views:
IMG- 51
STA - 36
Chaminade Madonna- 23
Lakeland- 21
Clearwater Academy International- 21 (4 also over 950)
Mater Dei- 18
Saint Frances - 17
American Heritage- 17
Cardinal gibbons- 16
Dillard- 14
Miami Palmetto- 11
Seminole- 11
Venice- 10
Miami Central- 10
Tampa Jesuit- 10
Kiss. Osceola- 9
Edgewater- 5
Miami Northwestern- 5
Lake City Columbia- 5
Madison County- 0
St. John Bosco- error, players clearly missing
It will be interesting to see if this list ends up telling us anything about how good these teams will be or not.
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49 minutes ago, Jullian said:
U can’t undervalue how good a Coach Roland was for central. Yeah the Rockets are loaded, but so are NW. Big decisions come in big games, that are pivotal to the outcome! How’s the new man gonna react?
STA lost Taylor at DC. Who’s gonna fill in his shoes??? How many coaches have that type of experience? How’s Aquinas new QB? You can’t throw downfield, u lose to other talented teams!
Someone said on here a coordinator for Dillard won’t matter????? Dillard’s coaching staff is the best it’s been in years. Dillard’s talent is as good as Cham, STA, Central, NW etc! BUT their OL is the key. That’s was their weakness last year. Till u build an OL like the Rockets, u won’t win the big one……..My lasting memory of Central (other than the 35-12 loss at SJB I watched in person) is of an offense that spreads the field with speed so as to run the ball about as much as Bill Castle runs it with a huge OL and awesome RBs. Can't recall many crucial decisions that had to be made during games for Central over the years!
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9 hours ago, SFLfootball said:
2018 was a few seasons ago. I think most people would say western has been a better team or more steady program recently. I could be wrong though. The people I talk to would agree though with what Coach Rack has been doing over there. I do think Dillard should be better this year though. I just can’t put them higher in a preseason ranking yet though. It’s like what you always have said about Deerfield going into past seasons when they use to get a thousand transfers. Have to prove it and they never could in playoffs. Let’s see if it’s different for Dillard. You guys should be sick though and expect better results.
I watched Western's season documentary from last season. Seems to be a pretty good program.
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1 hour ago, Jullian said:
1) Cham
2)Dillard
3) NW
4) central
5) STA
6) AHP
7) Homestead
8) Western
9) Columbus
10)Gulliver
11) Gibbons
12) Palmetto
13)BTW
14)Carol City
15) Stranahan
Certainly an interesting list. NW over Central is maybe the biggest surprise. Though Dillard over STA is also surprising. It seems STA may have some questions with their QB throwing the ball. If they do fall a bit, it seems that will be why.
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