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Should be fun this coming week.

In defense of NJ, they only have 7 state championships now.

RPI System not as good as ensuring "top seeds" win out. 2021: 8A: 6/8 were #1/2 and 1 team being a #3 7A: 4/8 were #1/2 and 1 team being a #3 6A: 4/8 were #1/2 and 2 teams being a #3 5A: 4/8 were #1/2 and 3 teams being a #3 4A: 2/4 were #1 seed ****#1 and 2 seeds received 1st round byes, so I am only looking at Final Four 3A: 3/4 were #1 seed ****#1 and 2 seeds received 1st round byes, so I am only looking at Final Four 2A: 3/4 were #1 seed ****#1 and 2 seeds received 1st round byes, so I am only looking at Final Four 1A: 2/4 were #1 seed ****#1 and 2 seeds received 1st round byes, so I am only looking at Final Four 28/52 or 58.3% 2019 8A: 3/8 were #1/2 and 3 teams being a #3 7A: 5/8 were #1/2 and 2 teams being a #3 6A: 5/8 were #1/2 and 1 team being a #3 5A: 5/8 were #1/2 and 0 teams being a #3 4A: 3/4 were #1 seed ****#1 and 2 seeds received 1st round byes, so I am only looking at Final Four 3A: 1/4 were #1 seed ****#1 and 2 seeds received 1st round byes, so I am only looking at Final Four 2A: 3/4 were #1 seed ****#1 and 2 seeds received 1st round byes, so I am only looking at Final Four 1A: 3/4 were #1 seed ****#1 and 2 seeds received 1st round byes, so I am only looking at Final Four 28/52 or 58.3%

Let it go dude. It has been over 5 years for the one time that you had to travel (like every other team).

OK it hurts me to say this, but maybe the FHSAA ranking system is better than we gave it credit for? If the rankings were perfect, we would expect that the regional finals would be made up of only #1 and #2 seeds. Now, we know that a perfectly chalk bracket never happens in any sport, but the FHSAA rankings did pretty well. 4M: 4/8 were #1 or #2 seeds, with 3 more being the #3 seed 3M: 7/8 were #1/2 and the other team being a #3 2M: 4/8 were #1 or #2 seeds, with 2 more being the #3 seed 1M: (Skipping until next round as they only played 1 game, not enough time for chaos) 4S: 6/8 were #1/2 and 1 team being a #3 3S: 4/8 were #1 or #2 seeds, with 2 more being the #3 seed 2S: 7/8 were #1/2 and the other team being a #3 1S: (Skipping until next round as they only played 1 game, not enough time for chaos) 1R: 6/8 were #1 or #2 seeds, with 2 more being the #3 seed Overall: 38/56 for 68% and 12 more #3 seeds I would still prefer a system with more transparency. I would also note that after regionals, I don't think any ranking system truly matters, because to get to the final four you must be good and the differences so small that anything can happen.

Obviously teams stay with their seedings throughout the regional playoffs, but when they get to the state semi-finals, does the FHSAA re-seed based on the previous 3 games? Or is whatever class rank your team is at the start of the playoffs, does that continue to the state semi-finals?

I wish ALL coaches, band directors, club sponsors, and principals understood this. Every kid needs an opportunity to feel part of something bigger than themselves. Too many athletic kids walking hallways, but not in a sport or anything athletic. Heck, even unathletic kids can be part of your program, some coaches give up way too early on kids if they aren't showing out by end of freshman season. Maybe that kid learns to run the camera equipment, maybe they make hype videos, maybe they just never were encouraged to play because they were always over the weight limit and were mocked. Coaches NEED to be on campus and not expect that a simple announcement over a loud speaker is going to get a kid playing.

Are you suggesting that officials will see this and become biased against his team? If so, does not sound good for the professionalism of referees... should he take it the officials association? Sure. I am sure he probably has sent it and asked, but now he is looking for some confirmation and empathy from other coaches and fans.

You know good and well that none of those 1R teams want anything to do with those 1S teams.

Just to clarify, if you are looking at MaxPreps rankings on their website, that is the normal way they calculate it with margin of victory, etc. They are also taking previous years success into account (or at least I am assuming they do considering Champagnat Catholic is ranked 63rd and they no longer exist as a school).

If we used the actual MaxPreps rankings (not FHSAA's version of it), then Palmetto is 68th in the state. In 4M, they would be ranked 9th (using MaxPreps rankings) behind the following teams, instead of 22nd in the classification with FHSAA's version. 1 Columbus (Miami) 2 Seminole (Sanford) 3 Winter Park 4 Apopka 5 Ocoee 6 Lake Mary 7 West Orange (Winter Garden) 8 Palm Beach Central (Wellington) _____________ Updated, because I assumed that Miami Central was 4M.

1 and 2 combined: My promotion/relegation system would be based on the average of the MaxPreps ranking over the previous 4 years, so that one good year or bad year doesn't bump you up or down, but sustained success/failure does. The number of teams moving up or down would be limited to about 10-20% of the teams in a classification. My system has fewer teams on the "elite" class and more teams in the "below average" class. 3. This is actually what several "critics" of the promotion/relegation would suggest for my lower level teams, since they do not want to have the title of "state champ". Get the FHSAA out of the way, allow schools to form their own conferences that play 8-9 games, with 2-3 rounds of playoffs (ending with a championship game the same week as Regional Quarterfinals). 4. Never going to happen. The argument that the state legislature made is that if a kid is allowed to transfer to be in the best band, welding, nursing, or academic program, why should we limit their ability to transfer for athletics. You are right, I know I care way to much about this system. If I was a billionaire, I would do this as a vanity project, but the reality is every likes complaining, but nobody want to actual fix it, because then they would have nothing to complain about.

I understand your POV, but recruiting/transfers aren't going to stop until the state legislature bugs off. Additionally, we have an entire generation of parents/students who all they know is transferring. Transferring isn't going away because no school districts, state organizations, or politicians truly wants to stop it. I don't necessarily think it will make it worse. Kids are already transferring to the school to pursue state championships. What it does allow is teams who either lose transfers or don't get transfers to play similar type teams instead of putting teams getting transfers in the same classification as the ones losing them.

Every time you make this argument my hair falls out, because it just isn't true. The reason why smaller # of classes, larger number of teams in a districts is better, because we then know the best teams are making the playoffs. We know this because they physical beat those other teams. You already called out the MaxPreps system for ranking a team below a team it just beat. The non-district schedule only becomes more important as we reduce the size of districts to 3-5 teams. There is NOBODY who argues for small districts. We recognize that the FHSAA should shrink the # of classes and thus increase the # of teams in the districts. If every district was 8 teams and you played 7 district games, then we know you are the best team in that area of that size. I don't care if every team in that district was poop, you beat teams of your size and your locality. Imagine if Columbia Volleyball (which had a decent W-L for them) made the playoffs with the strength of schedule they had this year. I don't think they played a single team in their district, and if they had snuck in because they won against lots of 1A teams, you should be insulted. District games should matter because those are the teams we are saying you are similar in terms of competitiveness (based on the FHSAA definition of competitiveness(not mine)). Not once have you ever explained how the old champ/runner-up system discouraged teams from playing quality match-ups. Nothing stops teams from playing Bolles or Trinity Christian in the old system, because everyone understood a loss to a team didn't end your playoff hopes. Now, if you play Bolles and lose, it actually hurts your chances of making the playoffs. So why play them? If Columbia played Bolles in the old system and lost, then it has no effect on their ability to make the playoffs (as it shouldn't considering Bolles is not in their district or classification). Your system discourages rivalry games like Suwannee/Columbia or Palatka/St.Augustine because if a rival is constantly losing then it hurts their chances of making the playoffs. This is why a promotion/relegation system WITH large districts is the answer. It means the districts are competitive, it means you can schedule a couple of out of district games and not worry about making the playoffs because of them. It means as you lose competitiveness, you drop down to face teams you might be more competitive against or the opposite, you move up a classification, because you are dominating.

I hate the current system because it doesn't solve the problem that you keep rambling about (recruiting). Recruiting can't be stopped because our legislature has neutered the FHSAA, but you think that by putting these teams in these metro/suburban classifications that somehow recruiting will be stopped, it hasn't. As I have said for over 10 years, teams need to play teams of similar historical abilities. (Promotion/Relegation). If a good suburban team is able to climb to the highest level, great. Can they maintain that level, year in and year without a down year, maybe, but probably not, which is the beauty of promotion/relegation. You also keep moving the goal posts. Your original complaint about classifications was when teams like Eastside/Fort White win 1 district game and get into the playoffs (in a 3-team district). If the Tampa district had 7-8 teams in a district, the champion and runner-up probably won 6-7 games regardless of the competition against similar area competition (which is the point of old and new classification system). Just move along on this one.

Congrats on the win, as I said from the beginning, 6-3 season record (I messed up the Deland/Union County games).

Please god no. Games are taking too long as it is. I want better calls sometimes, but I am willing to sacrifice non-perfection for a little bit of fluidity and continuity in the game. The only time that there should be replay is to figure out if they miscounted the downs or a clock issue or a fight. Other than that, play ball! If a referee makes a mistake, you shouldn't have left the game in the hands of the referees to begin with.

I saw this on Twitter... referees in the room?

So looking at 4M, I guess the good thing is that Western drops in the FHSAA rankings, which actually determines playoffs and seeding. This is from the MaxPreps Rankings: 1 Columbus (Miami) 2 Seminole (Sanford) 3 Winter Park 4 Ocoee 5 Western (Davie) 6 Apopka 7 Lake Mary 8 Palmetto (Miami) 9 West Orange (Winter Garden) 10 Hagerty (Oviedo) 11 Palm Beach Central (Wellington) 12 East Lake (Tarpon Springs) 13 Lake Brantley (Altamonte Springs) 14 Newsome (Lithia) 15 Mandarin (Jacksonville) This is from the FHSAA Rankings (run by MaxPreps) 1 Columbus (Miami, FL) (Same Ranking) 2 Hagerty (Oviedo, FL) (8 Spots Higher) 3 Lake Mary (Lake Mary, FL) (4 spots higher) 4 Ocoee (Ocoee, FL) (Same Ranking) 5 Seminole (Sanford, FL) (3 spots lower) 6 Winter Park (Winter Park, FL) (3 spots lower) 7 Santaluces (Lantana, FL) ---- 8 Palm Beach Gardens (Palm Beach Gardens, FL) ---- 9 Palm Beach Central (Wellington, FL) (2 spots higher) 10 Doral Academy (Doral, FL) 11 Monarch (Coconut Creek, FL) 12 Apopka (Apopka, FL) (6 spots lower) 13 Lake Brantley (Altamonte Springs, FL) (Same Ranking) 14 East Lake (Tarpon Springs, FL) (2 spots lower) 15 Western (Davie, FL) (10 spots lower)

I haven't sat down and looked, but are the FHSAA rankings that are run by MaxPreps radically different that the MaxPreps rankings run with MoV? Can someone explain why the RPI was worse then this (other than IMO FHSAA willing to be lazy)?

I don't mind the purple helmets, wouldn't even mind going to a true gold (instead of bright yellow). I just don't understand going to grey/black when those aren't your school colors. As for the script Gators, I agree, I like the old school UF logo for a change up. (1968-78). I am ok with putting an oversized Gator on there. But there is something classic about Michigan, Penn State, Ohio State, Notre Dame, and Bama.

On a side note, the grey uniforms look horrible (both PBG's tops and PK's bottoms). I don't understand schools that insist on wearing colors that aren't part of their color scheme. Yes, my Florida Gators will eventually wear black football uniforms (they were supposed to for this year's Veteran's Day game). I still dislike them as a whole. Give me the classic colors.

I said helmet to helmet, but wouldn't the call have been roughing the passer, which is why PBG kept possession?

I am not an official, but the rushing TD clearly looks like the WR is blocking from behind, would it have made a difference on the outcome of the play, probably not, but the penalty is for doing it. I have seen a lot of those. The pick 6 looks like helmet to helmet contact from what I could see (the camera follows the ball very quickly).

which is why I said (pre-2022).